10 Dead in Shooting at Oregon College.

QuickSilver said:
Why? If you lived here and your neighbors started up their mowers way to early...... you could blow their brains out... Wouldn't that be nice?
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Yeah, maybe............I could even mount a canon on the front verandah and take pot shots at suspicious characters I guess!
 

WhatInThe said:
Apparently this killer was sent to a school for kids with disabilities and emotional issues in California. His father was British which might explain the IRA thing and/or daddy issues. Was of mixed race and followed the Virginia reporter killer.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...on-community-college-kills-people-campus.html

Exactly what was his disability or emotional issue?
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Is there a reputable paper you can quote? Don't know why everyone insists on quoting a rag like the Daily Mail.
 

Shalimar said:
Hmm. I'd opt for the emerald green Gatling gun to compliment my auburn hair and dark eyes.......
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Personally... I'd like a bazooka... or a 50mm.


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Ameriscot said:
Is there a reputable paper you can quote? Don't know why everyone insists on quoting a rag like the Daily Mail.
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Say what you want about that 'rag' but like TMZ in the states they are frequently first and get more information than many so called mainstream news sources. I used to ignore them but there is too much information there to be ignored on many stories and issues.

But if you want a Los Angeles source.

http://www.dailynews.com/general-ne...ved-in-torrance-graduated-from-switzer-center

And just as suspected the school also handles juvenile delinquents which actually coincides with this killer's anger.
 
WhatInThe said:
Say what you want about that 'rag' but like TMZ in the states they are frequently first and get more information than many so called mainstream news sources. I used to ignore them but there is too much information there to be ignored on many stories and issues.

But if you want a Los Angeles source.

http://www.dailynews.com/general-ne...ved-in-torrance-graduated-from-switzer-center

And just as suspected the school also handles juvenile delinquents which actually coincides with this killer's anger.
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Of course they are first. They invent half the story.
 
In my life I have been shot, stabbed, hit with bottles, bats, bricks, barstools, had home invasions, muggings, riots. I have "kept the peace" in businesses that most people would quickly shuffle past, averting their eyes -the kinds of places where you had to sweep the floors nightly because of all the blood.

I choose NOT to be a victim.

The rest of the discussion here has, as usual, been blown far out of proportion by those who don't mind being victims. They will be the ones who stand by idly, cowering, while evil is done, hoping against hope that some Heavenly Miracle saves them.

I've been trained, and am of the temperament and psychological make up, to DO something. Whether that something includes "talking down" a bad guy or, all the way to the other end of the force spectrum, shooting him, I have and will take whatever measures necessary to stop them.

I've always known that it's a lonely life being a shepherd. People misunderstand and despise them, until they need them. This thread has renewed that knowledge for me.

Thanks.
 
Actually, I have to thank you QS for making me laugh - honestly. It gave me a good hearty belly-laugh.

If I were tasked to self-analyze, I would agree with you - I AM a frightening little man. I'm one of those people, like the college shooter, who can go from 0-60 in 3 seconds; I can play the fool in a group of friends, wearing a lampshade on my head and making balloon animals. The next second, when something goes wrong, I can be putting people in joint locks, scientifically, the way I've been trained, to cause just the right amount of pain to ensure compliance. I know moves to immobilize someone until the police come; I also know dozens of ways to kill someone, quickly and efficiently.

Is that scary? For someone who is not used to experiencing physical conflicts, of course. Is that psychotic? Doesn't that depend upon the reasons I have for doing it?

I'm going crazy for good reasons. I'm only protecting myself and others. Perhaps I scare you for the same reason a guard dog might scare you: he wags his tail and licks your hand one moment and is attacking someone that gets too close the next.

Yet - many people feel better knowing that guard dog is there, on duty, ready to protect you with everything he's got.

Yes, people fear him for his dual nature ... but they're glad he's there. It's human nature to respond to a physical attack with fear and revulsion. I'm just the guard dog that has been trained to react a different way, to get rid of those instinctive responses and react in a focused, purposeful way.

I've had people that threw beer - and beer bottles - at me for helping people. I've been jumped by people. I've also had a lady who gave me her Cadillac for helping her out.




You just never know.
 
Philly, I have been thinking. In the interest of honesty and FairPlay, I have to say my pacifism has a breaking point also. If someone I love is in danger, or a rabid jerk is beating up a pregnant woman in my parking lot (which happened,) I will react with physical violence if no other recourse seems viable. I am a small person, no longer young, but under those circumstance
my pain centres shut down, enabling me to do stuff I would otherwise be incapable of. Funny how the body remembers training from decades earlier when the triggers are tripped. Such is the power of protective instincts. Am I conflicted about who I become under such circumstances? You bet, it can be dark. Would I do it again to help someone? You bet.
 
SifuPhil said:
Actually, I have to thank you QS for making me laugh - honestly. It gave me a good hearty belly-laugh.

If I were tasked to self-analyze, I would agree with you - I AM a frightening little man. I'm one of those people, like the college shooter, who can go from 0-60 in 3 seconds; I can play the fool in a group of friends, wearing a lampshade on my head and making balloon animals. The next second, when something goes wrong, I can be putting people in joint locks, scientifically, the way I've been trained, to cause just the right amount of pain to ensure compliance. I know moves to immobilize someone until the police come; I also know dozens of ways to kill someone, quickly and efficiently.

Is that scary? For someone who is not used to experiencing physical conflicts, of course. Is that psychotic? Doesn't that depend upon the reasons I have for doing it?

I'm going crazy for good reasons. I'm only protecting myself and others. Perhaps I scare you for the same reason a guard dog might scare you: he wags his tail and licks your hand one moment and is attacking someone that gets too close the next.

Yet - many people feel better knowing that guard dog is there, on duty, ready to protect you with everything he's got.

Yes, people fear him for his dual nature ... but they're glad he's there. It's human nature to respond to a physical attack with fear and revulsion. I'm just the guard dog that has been trained to react a different way, to get rid of those instinctive responses and react in a focused, purposeful way.

I've had people that threw beer - and beer bottles - at me for helping people. I've been jumped by people. I've also had a lady who gave me her Cadillac for helping her out.




You just never know.
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Sad... hopefully we won't be reading about you in the news someday... Is this something to be proud of?
 
QuickSilver said:
Sad... hopefully we won't be reading about you in the news someday... Is this something to be proud of?
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Wow - really?

I am immensely proud of what I've done with my life and how I've lived it. Not to get all Superman but I don't see what is wrong with defending the helpless and taking a certain pride in it.

Do you really think that's the wrong way to live one's life?
 
Shalimar said:
Philly, I have been thinking. In the interest of honesty and FairPlay, I have to say my pacifism has a breaking point also. If someone I love is in danger, or a rabid jerk is beating up a pregnant woman in my parking lot (which happened,) I will react with physical violence if no other recourse seems viable. I am a small person, no longer young, but under those circumstance
my pain centres shut down, enabling me to do stuff I would otherwise be incapable of. Funny how the body remembers training from decades earlier when the triggers are tripped. Such is the power of protective instincts. Am I conflicted about who I become under such circumstances? You bet, it can be dark. Would I do it again to help someone? You bet.
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See? There you are.

I too have recently been introduced to the terrors of getting older. I can't move the way I used to, and I'm certainly not claiming that I could do the same kind of work I used to.

But those instincts, whether natural or modified, remain.

I could see myself limping on my bad leg after a bad guy now, only to gnaw on his arm with my mostly-toothless mouth. Then fall on him repeatedly until he gives up.

But I would still be in there, trying. I could do no less.

Thanks. ;)
 
Oh, and I forgot to add ...

Yes, it can be very dark. It isn't a place that most people want to visit. But some of us have learned how to skip back and forth over that line without losing our way; without giving in and falling hopelessly, eternally into that dark side. We go in, do what we have to do and come out again.

You well know the nightmares that many have from the journey - those who lose their way. I'm one of the lucky ones.
 
SifuPhil said:
See? There you are.

I too have recently been introduced to the terrors of getting older. I can't move the way I used to, and I'm certainly not claiming that I could do the same kind of work I used to.

But those instincts, whether natural or modified, remain.

I could see myself limping on my bad leg after a bad guy now, only to gnaw on his arm with my mostly-toothless mouth. Then fall on him repeatedly until he gives up.

But I would still be in there, trying. I could do no less.

Thanks. ;)
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You just make yourself sound so creepy in your description of your prowess... You aren't different from anyone else.. If someone I loved was in danger I would go all ape $hit too and hurt somebody... and I'm not small and I'm not impaired in anyway.. and trust me.. experience has proven me to have a very wicked right hook... but it's not something I go on a message board and brag about...
 
QuickSilver said:
You just make yourself sound so creepy in your description of your prowess... You aren't different from anyone else.. If someone I loved was in danger I would go all ape $hit too and hurt somebody... and I'm not small and I'm not impaired in anyway.. and trust me.. experience has proven me to have a very wicked right hook... but it's not something I go on a message board and brag about...
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I'm trying to explain my mindset re: the shootings in Oregon. Evidently I've failed miserably.

I am VERY different from others. I am trained to face the Monster and not wet my pants. Then I can sit down to dinner afterwards without vomiting.

I doubt you could do the same.

Could you do it for someone you DIDN'T love? Someone you didn't even know? In less than 3 seconds could you make that decision to willingly put your life on the line for a total stranger?

Again, I doubt it.

Can you analyze a situation, a fearful one, without letting emotions in? Will you be sure of what you should do? Are you even sure you're reading the situation correctly, and even then will your body react without that brain getting in the way? All in the space of a blink of the eye? Can you read your opponent like Sherlock Holmes, instantly taking note of their strengths and weaknesses and using that knowledge to make sure you not only neutralize the threat but come away from it without having to take a ride to the hospital?

Please don't tell me I'm not different. Over 45 years of training and experience assures me otherwise.

It isn't bragging when you possess the abilities you claim. It's telling the truth. It might seem alien to some, but welcome to my life.
 
Shalimar said:
Hmmm. With respect, I would be more worried if I didn't lose sleep over such actions. I have not lost my way, but retained my humanity. That is how it works for me.
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Did you ever see the movie "American Sniper"?

That entire movie examines the "Sheep, Sheepdog and Wolf" meme. You have a sheepdog who starts to go into the Dark Side, then recovers, comes home and is killed by a fellow sheepdog who became a wolf.

Yes, there are prices to be paid, injuries incurred and loses to be experienced. Part of the fight is against not only the enemy without, but the one within.
 
SifuPhil said:
I'm trying to explain my mindset re: the shootings in Oregon. Evidently I've failed miserably.

I am VERY different from others. I am trained to face the Monster and not wet my pants. Then I can sit down to dinner afterwards without vomiting.

I doubt you could do the same.

Could you do it for someone you DIDN'T love? Someone you didn't even know? In less than 3 seconds could you make that decision to willingly put your life on the line for a total stranger?

Again, I doubt it.

Can you analyze a situation, a fearful one, without letting emotions in? Will you be sure of what you should do? Are you even sure you're reading the situation correctly, and even then will your body react without that brain getting in the way? All in the space of a blink of the eye? Can you read your opponent like Sherlock Holmes, instantly taking note of their strengths and weaknesses and using that knowledge to make sure you not only neutralize the threat but come away from it without having to take a ride to the hospital?

Please don't tell me I'm not different. Over 45 years of training and experience assures me otherwise.

It isn't bragging when you possess the abilities you claim. It's telling the truth. It might seem alien to some, but welcome to my life.
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Oh puleeze.... You aren't so special.. I have seen a man's chest cracked open an poured antibiotics in as a surgeon massaged his heart and then I went to lunch... Didn't wet my pants either.. There are all sorts of strengths phil... I don't have to brag about mine.
 

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