2 Brides Who Left UK and US Being Denied Re-Entry and Citizenship Revoked

Interesting responses to my post. Some come from a place of fear (sleeper cells, homeland security, etc), some from a place of pettiness (paying for therapy, etc), some from just plain old mean spiritedness (Gitmo, let her rot, etc). Not one comes from a place of compassion or of human kindness or forgiveness. And the worst part is, I am not surprised.
 
When one aligns with ISIS she has not earned any compassion, human kindness, or forgiveness.

Here is the mindset we are talking about: “Go on drive-bys and spill all of their blood, or rent a big truck and drive all over them.“Veterans, Patriot, Memorial etc Day parades. Kill them.”
 
Hoot N Annie said:
Interesting responses to my post. Some come from a place of fear (sleeper cells, homeland security, etc), some from a place of pettiness (paying for therapy, etc), some from just plain old mean spiritedness (Gitmo, let her rot, etc). Not one comes from a place of compassion or of human kindness or forgiveness. And the worst part is, I am not surprised.
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I guess the pettiness part was aimed at me so, allow me to respond. First, let's see the timeline this woman chose.

May 2013 - Graduates from Alabama Hoover High School. Becomes increasingly interested in Islamic religious practices.


Autumn 2013 - Secretly creates a Twitter account with thousands of followers, meets a number of ISIS supporters.


November 2014 - Tells her family she's going to Atlanta on a school trip, instead flies to Turkey and crosses into ISIS-held territory in Syria.


December 2014 - Marries 23-year-old Suhan Rahman, an Australian ISIS fighter also known as Abu Jihad al-Australi.
March 2015 - Rahman is killed in a Jordanian airstrike


2015 - Soon after marries her second husband, a Tunisian fighter. Together they have a son, Adam.


January 2019 - Fled the village of Susa near Baghuz, slept in the desert with a group of ISIS exiles.Was captured by Kurdish forces and brought to Syria refugee camp al-Hawl.


February 2019 - Muthana says she was 'brainwashed' and begs forgiveness to return to the US.

So, basically, she renounced her American citizenship to join a bunch of radicals, she made her bed now she doesn't want to lay in it and rot over there.
Sorry, but, Actions have consequences.

I realize neither Hoda nor ISIS/ISIL represent every single Muslim in existence. I am not saying they do. But, ISIS/ISIL is a Islamic radical group that are point blank about the destruction of all "infidels" (their words, not mine)and their agenda is mass forcing Islam on all.


Radicals can be a dangerous thing, no matter what faith, agenda, or philosophy they follow. And the chances of true complete reformation are slim to none, though I will admit not impossible. But still, the odds are 1-9, maybe 1-5. I highly doubt that Hoda has reformed from her radical ways.

She used her child to front a sob story. Her child can be heard in the recording's background, and she can be seen holding him and kissing him. Putting it bluntly, especially today, America tends to fall for sob stories way too often. Just look at the excuses that are made for the common criminal."He has a family, he needed money, he had no choice but to rob that bank and gun down that security guard and teller."


Groups like ISIS/ISIL and MS-13 know that sob stories are a valid tactic to use against America. If you still don't get my meaning, two terms; politicians and social activists.


I find it strange that both Hoda and Shamima are begging for return at the same time. Call me a conspiracy nut if you'd like, I'm just saying...
Even if Hoda has indeed reformed, she and her child won't be safe or truly happy here in this country. She'll be known as "the traitor who was let back in" and the "the Muslim radical who hates America". She and her child will never know peace here if they are recognized/identified in public. They'll be harassed day in and day out.

Long winded post I know, but, I really wish people would search out the entire story instead of listening to a 60 second blurb on some tv channel.
 
Hoot N Annie said:
Interesting responses to my post. Some come from a place of fear (sleeper cells, homeland security, etc), some from a place of pettiness (paying for therapy, etc), some from just plain old mean spiritedness (Gitmo, let her rot, etc). Not one comes from a place of compassion or of human kindness or forgiveness. And the worst part is, I am not surprised.
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Although i didnt actually reply to this post yet, my answer would be based on homeland security and has nothing to do with compassion or forgiveness.
 
Hoot N Annie said:
Can't speak for the UK, but the US is a big country, and I think we could find room for one young woman who made a tragic mistake and now regrets it. Seems like the Christian thing to do.
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To do what? How would she contribute to the well being of native born American's?
 
squatting dog said:
I guess the pettiness part was aimed at me so, allow me to respond. First, let's see the timeline this woman chose.

May 2013 - Graduates from Alabama Hoover High School. Becomes increasingly interested in Islamic religious practices.


Autumn 2013 - Secretly creates a Twitter account with thousands of followers, meets a number of ISIS supporters.


November 2014 - Tells her family she's going to Atlanta on a school trip, instead flies to Turkey and crosses into ISIS-held territory in Syria.


December 2014 - Marries 23-year-old Suhan Rahman, an Australian ISIS fighter also known as Abu Jihad al-Australi.
March 2015 - Rahman is killed in a Jordanian airstrike


2015 - Soon after marries her second husband, a Tunisian fighter. Together they have a son, Adam.


January 2019 - Fled the village of Susa near Baghuz, slept in the desert with a group of ISIS exiles.Was captured by Kurdish forces and brought to Syria refugee camp al-Hawl.


February 2019 - Muthana says she was 'brainwashed' and begs forgiveness to return to the US.

So, basically, she renounced her American citizenship to join a bunch of radicals, she made her bed now she doesn't want to lay in it and rot over there.
Sorry, but, Actions have consequences.

I realize neither Hoda nor ISIS/ISIL represent every single Muslim in existence. I am not saying they do. But, ISIS/ISIL is a Islamic radical group that are point blank about the destruction of all "infidels" (their words, not mine)and their agenda is mass forcing Islam on all.


Radicals can be a dangerous thing, no matter what faith, agenda, or philosophy they follow. And the chances of true complete reformation are slim to none, though I will admit not impossible. But still, the odds are 1-9, maybe 1-5. I highly doubt that Hoda has reformed from her radical ways.

She used her child to front a sob story. Her child can be heard in the recording's background, and she can be seen holding him and kissing him. Putting it bluntly, especially today, America tends to fall for sob stories way too often. Just look at the excuses that are made for the common criminal."He has a family, he needed money, he had no choice but to rob that bank and gun down that security guard and teller."


Groups like ISIS/ISIL and MS-13 know that sob stories are a valid tactic to use against America. If you still don't get my meaning, two terms; politicians and social activists.


I find it strange that both Hoda and Shamima are begging for return at the same time. Call me a conspiracy nut if you'd like, I'm just saying...
Even if Hoda has indeed reformed, she and her child won't be safe or truly happy here in this country. She'll be known as "the traitor who was let back in" and the "the Muslim radical who hates America". She and her child will never know peace here if they are recognized/identified in public. They'll be harassed day in and day out.

Long winded post I know, but, I really wish people would search out the entire story instead of listening to a 60 second blurb on some tv channel.[/QUOTE


:yoda: well said, but.....
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squatting dog said:
I guess the pettiness part was aimed at me so, {snip}
Long winded post I know, but, I really wish people would search out the entire story instead of listening to a 60 second blurb on some tv channel.
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A. self awareness is a good thing
B. assuming folks who disagree with you are somehow less informed is almost always a mistake.
 
Hoot N Annie said:
She was born here.
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sorry, still not an answer.

Her daddy (Ahmed Ali Muthana) was a former diplomat at the United Nations for Yemen.
Foreign diplomats enjoy certain immunities under international law. The spouse and child of a diplomat generally enjoy similar immunities. Children born in the United States to accredited foreign diplomatic officers do not acquire citizenship under the 14th Amendment since they are not “born . . . subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
 
squatting dog said:
sorry, still not an answer.

Her daddy (Ahmed Ali Muthana) was a former diplomat at the United Nations for Yemen.
Foreign diplomats enjoy certain immunities under international law. The spouse and child of a diplomat generally enjoy similar immunities. Children born in the United States to accredited foreign diplomatic officers do not acquire citizenship under the 14th Amendment since they are not “born . . . subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
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I read the same thing, SD. At any rate, I think she can be stripped of citizenship for threatening the safety of the US and it's troops even if she was a citizen.

Also, The UK bride...not sure of her, but wasn't she an actual citizen of the UK whom the government then stripped her of citizenship?
 
Hoot N Annie said:
Interesting responses to my post. Some come from a place of fear (sleeper cells, homeland security, etc), some from a place of pettiness (paying for therapy, etc), some from just plain old mean spiritedness (Gitmo, let her rot, etc). Not one comes from a place of compassion or of human kindness or forgiveness. And the worst part is, I am not surprised.
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No judgement on your part, either. :rolleyes: Why don't you volunteer to let her stay at your place?

Sorry, but I save my "compassion, kindness and forgiveness" for those who deserve it.
 
C'est Moi said:
No judgement on your part, either. :rolleyes: Why don't you volunteer to let her stay at your place?

Sorry, but I save my "compassion, kindness and forgiveness" for those who deserve it.
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lol - nice try at deflection, but you know that is not the issue. The issue is why you folks are so afraid of her, and why you feel she has to "earn" or "deserve" compassion or kindness or forgiveness. We are supposed to give those things because of what is in our heart.

Note to Squat - Your comment was about "native born Americans", not her citizenship status, which will be decided by the courts - her dad has already filed a law suit. I never said she was or wasn't a citizen, I merely pointed out she was born here. And, afaik, none of us have ever had to demonstrate "what we will contribute to the well being" etc. God help us all if we ever have to. Your comment would fall into the "Mean spirited" category.
 
Hoot N Annie said:
lol - nice try at deflection, but you know that is not the issue. The issue is why you folks are so afraid of her, and why you feel she has to "earn" or "deserve" compassion or kindness or forgiveness. We are supposed to give those things because of what is in our heart.
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Nothing deflected; reading comprehension is key. The issue is not that anyone is "afraid" of her... how absurd. Suspicious of her motives and disgusted by her actions... absolutely. Nowhere did I say she has to earn compassion; I simply said she's not getting any from me because she doesn't deserve it. Kindly stop putting words in my mouth.
 
C'est Moi said:
Nothing deflected; reading comprehension is key. The issue is not that anyone is "afraid" of her... how absurd. Suspicious of her motives and disgusted by her actions... absolutely. Nowhere did I say she has to earn compassion; I simply said she's not getting any from me because she doesn't deserve it. Kindly stop putting words in my mouth.
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Same here!!
 
c'est moi said:
nothing deflected; reading comprehension is key. The issue is not that anyone is "afraid" of her... How absurd. Suspicious of her motives and disgusted by her actions... Absolutely. Nowhere did i say she has to earn compassion; i simply said she's not getting any from me because she doesn't deserve it. Kindly stop putting words in my mouth.
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x3 :)
 

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