2 Brides Who Left UK and US Being Denied Re-Entry and Citizenship Revoked

Hoot N Annie said:
Interesting responses to my post. Some come from a place of fear (sleeper cells, homeland security, etc), some from a place of pettiness (paying for therapy, etc), some from just plain old mean spiritedness (Gitmo, let her rot, etc). Not one comes from a place of compassion or of human kindness or forgiveness. And the worst part is, I am not surprised.
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For me, forgiveness is not the point -- as my pastor once told a young woman regarding her physically abusive husband, forgiveness does not mean that you must give the abuser the opportunity to break your other shoulder and land you back in the hospital.

And why is this young woman any more deserving of our compassion, forgiveness, etc., than any other wrongdoer? Do we "forgive" all wrongdoers and just let them go free? Where was this young woman's compassion when she was advocating death and destruction against the United States? IMHO, there are some lines that, once crossed, cannot be un-crossed.
 

C'est Moi said:
Nothing deflected; reading comprehension is key. The issue is not that anyone is "afraid" of her... how absurd. Suspicious of her motives and disgusted by her actions... absolutely. Nowhere did I say she has to earn compassion; I simply said she's not getting any from me because she doesn't deserve it. Kindly stop putting words in my mouth.
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So you really think the main issue is where she lives? Of that isn't deflection, nothing is. And lol @ "putting words in my mouth". How are comments about homeland security, strapping on bombs and blowing up buildings, sleeper cells, etc, not based on fear? And now you want to make a distinction between "earning" and "deserving" your compassion. Yes, reading comprehension is key

Also, nowhere did I say she should be greeted with open arms, or not have face incarceration, of face other forms of limited freedom, etc. That's all for the courts to decide, and assuming she is allowed entry, whatever they do decide is okay with me. I just thing we have plenty of room here for one woman and her child. So please stop "putting words in my mouth".

Let's face it, we will never agree on this, so you all can have the last words to show us more fear and pettiness and mean-spiritedness. May you be judged by the judgments you make.
 
How are comments about homeland security, strapping on bombs and blowing up buildings, sleeper cells, etc, not based on fear?
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Hoot, most of those comments were mine, not CM's.

As far as "fear", yes I have a healthy fear or suspicion of ISIS. Yet I agree to disagree.
 

It makes little difference to me where she ends up. Sounds like she was led astray at a young age and is now becoming an opportunist rather than a terrorist. If ISIS had gained the upper hand , over there, I'm sure she'd be waving their banner today, but she's one woman with a baby. I have a far greater fear of the White Supremacist cells that dot our country. Nutcases that gather weapons, play at soldier in the woods and every now and then, spark some nut to go on a rampage, like our recently arrested Coast Guard officer. Fortunately he didn't get to implement his plan.

Many of the same folks who "fear" this girl, secretly, or some openly, support the image of going back to an "all white America" and ignore the bloodshed that it will bring.

I have no problem keeping her out or letting her in - -she's one person and far less of a threat than our homegrown supremacists.
 
DaveA said:
It makes little difference to me where she ends up. Sounds like she was led astray at a young age and is now becoming an opportunist rather than a terrorist. If ISIS had gained the upper hand , over there, I'm sure she'd be waving their banner today, but she's one woman with a baby. I have a far greater fear of the White Supremacist cells that dot our country. Nutcases that gather weapons, play at soldier in the woods and every now and then, spark some nut to go on a rampage, like our recently arrested Coast Guard officer. Fortunately he didn't get to implement his plan.

Many of the same folks who "fear" this girl, secretly, or some openly, support the image of going back to an "all white America" and ignore the bloodshed that it will bring.

I have no problem keeping her out or letting her in - -she's one person and far less of a threat than our homegrown supremacists.
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I certainly agree that if ISIS had the upper hand this young lady would be still shouting kill Americans and the rhetoric she was promoting. Only time will tell and yes we have a few homegrown problems that need to be monitored. Keeping her out or in, I think she will never be a true American. Her parents surely are crushed, America is now a diversifed country and most accept that, I hope.
 
RadishRose said:
I read the same thing, SD. At any rate, I think she can be stripped of citizenship for threatening the safety of the US and it's troops even if she was a citizen.

Also, The UK bride...not sure of her, but wasn't she an actual citizen of the UK whom the government then stripped her of citizenship?
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If one is a natural born citizen of the United States citizenship cannot be stripped for any reason.
 
I think this boils down to a legal issue, which ought to be easily answered: Is a person born in the US, while their parents (with foreign citizenship) are here as diplomats, automatically a US
citizen?

I will add, though, that this girl sounds like a slippery troublemaker, playing both ends against the middle. She could present dangers to whatever country she lands in. And that should factor in.
 
If she is legally considered a United States citizen, can she come home and face charges of sedition and subversive activities? I don't think treason would fly as we're not in a declared war. Then, she can be told this & choose to come back and face charges or stay. I would think that's more than fair. She feels therapy is enough, but I feel that can be covered in a federal penitentiary.
 
In WW2 Jap soldiers would imitate Americans in jungle fighting an yell "help, I am a wounded American, Joe help me!" When or GI's would go out to help them they were blown up. We are too soft hearted by nature. I say "you turn on us, your country"....Your decision sealed your fate.
 
DaveA said:
Many of the same folks who "fear" this girl, secretly, or some openly, support the image of going back to an "all white America" and ignore the bloodshed that it will bring.
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Well, that's quite a reach I'd say. :rolleyes: How about we just feel disgusted by her traitorous actions? Seems like no discussion can be had in this country without racism being introduced, whether it belongs in the dialogue or not.
 
AZ Jim said:
In WW2 Jap soldiers would imitate Americans in jungle fighting an yell "help, I am a wounded American, Joe help me!" When or GI's would go out to help them they were blown up. We are too soft hearted by nature. I say "you turn on us, your country"....Your decision sealed your fate.
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In both our countries, citizens of Japanese ancestry were interred, even babies, to our great shame, I hardly see that as soft hearted. In spite of this, the Nisei were among the greatest heros of the war. Perhaps we should learn from this.
 
Pepper said:
If one is a natural born citizen of the United States citizenship cannot be stripped for any reason.
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From what I have read about this, she is not , and never has been, a US citizen. Apparently , her father was here as a diplomat when she was born, and children of diplomats are not automatically considered as a citizen.
This has actually been ongoing for some time now, and when Obama was president, he made the ruling that she was not a citizen and would not be allowed to come back; but the whole court case comes back into the main news every now and then, and has now emerged looking like a new issue again.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katie...termined-isis-bride-isnt-an-american-n2542152
 
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Happyflowerlady said:
From what I have read about this, she is not , and never has been, a US citizen. Apparently , her father was here as a diplomat when she was born, and children of diplomats are not automatically considered as a citizen.
This has actually been ongoing for some time now, and when Obama was president, he made the ruling that she was not a citizen and would not be allowed to come back; but the whole court case comes back into the main news every now and then, and has now emerged looking like a new issue again.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katie...termined-isis-bride-isnt-an-american-n2542152
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Wow; I hadn't heard that tidbit. Thanks for the link.
 
Shalimar said:
In both our countries, citizens of Japanese ancestry were interred, even babies, to our great shame, I hardly see that as soft hearted. In spite of this, the Nisei were among the greatest heros of the war. Perhaps we should learn from this.
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Before using the term 'to our great shame", the actions of the governments should be seen in the context of the times - not today. As to the Nisei - they were given the opportunity to prove their loyalty and did so with great distinction.
 
I suspect that, were she returned to the US, it would be to face trial for treason. The media would be absolutely giddy at the prospect, but I seriously doubt she's ever coming back.
 
Happyflowerlady said:
I do not think that objecting to people in terrorist organizations coming into this country has anything to do with race, it is their violent intentions that is the problem, not the color of someone’s skin.
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My post was referring to the internment of American citizens of Japanese ethnicity during world war 2 and had absolutely nothing to do with terrorists coming into this country. If you had read the post that I was responding to you would have readily seen that. Quite frankly I don't see how you missed that.
 
AZ Jim said:
I am far more concerned with our "mothers and children" who haven't allied with those who would and have blown our innocents to smithereens.
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Me too, Jim. I'm also much more concerned about homeless veterans here than I am about someone who willingly joined the enemy. No one seems to care about them much, but they can get all riled up about someone who left the country and advocated the killing of Americans, even though those vets served honorably to preserve our way of life.
 
I am not too sure it is a good idea as the other day one from UK wants to go back with her baby and a few days earlier there was a picture of her on
a soldiers back getting ready to chop off his head.. don`t think any country who care for their citizens want someone like that back .. bit scary .. same here there is
an australian girl went to marry an IS fellow with her children they told us the children and her husband are dead from a bomb but now the children are alive
and well .. those children brain washed too and were holding heads of soldiers how bad is that ? they surely would forever be terrorists its inbred in them now.. thats
how I see it ..
 

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