Lethe200
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The feeling is probably mutual, so why are you still here? How silly!
2022-3 NFL Pro Football (Pls, no other sports - thx!)
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Tempsontime65
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Well, Sunday is coming and another chance for my home team[The Commanders]to lose a game and they will...oh well!!!
Lethe200
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Re the Commanders - but the Colts' record is only 3-3-1, so about even. Don't give up hope yet! I've always respected Ron Rivera; he's a good coach.
Lethe200
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Tempsontime65 - wow, the Commanders won! 17-16 final. Congratulations!
Niners walloped the Rams, whom Jimmy G and the team own (but only in the regular season - now 8-0 against our LA rivals in the all-important divisional race. We have swept them 4 yrs in a row, although they squeaked a win in the 2021 NFC playoffs on the way to their Super Bowl trophy.
Raiders stunk up the stadium getting shut out by the Saints, 24-0. Ugh!
Niners walloped the Rams, whom Jimmy G and the team own (but only in the regular season - now 8-0 against our LA rivals in the all-important divisional race. We have swept them 4 yrs in a row, although they squeaked a win in the 2021 NFC playoffs on the way to their Super Bowl trophy.
Raiders stunk up the stadium getting shut out by the Saints, 24-0. Ugh!
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For someone like this person with decades Photoshop and imaging working experience, the 2022 Internet provides a way of posting that would have amazed most just recent years ago. Telecom display technology today offers so much more. I like how we in the global network can interact potentially greatly increasing the mass of interactors like these fans posting online comments, much sports fun to interact in with others, in the copied webpage showing fun enthusiasm. When teams are loosing and what not, such sites may be caustic.
But with winning, there is much enthusiastic fun talk like the freshly grabbed with the Windows Snipping Tool mouse selected then copied to Clipboard. Opening up Photoshop, if the New (file) selection is made, the size opens as whatever the size of what was in the Clipboard if anything. Thus executing a <CTRL>p pastes that contents into the displayed imaged as a new layer. Actuating an <ALT>e merges those layers.
But with winning, there is much enthusiastic fun talk like the freshly grabbed with the Windows Snipping Tool mouse selected then copied to Clipboard. Opening up Photoshop, if the New (file) selection is made, the size opens as whatever the size of what was in the Clipboard if anything. Thus executing a <CTRL>p pastes that contents into the displayed imaged as a new layer. Actuating an <ALT>e merges those layers.
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SeniorBen
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I felt bad for Aaron Rogers yesterday. He's one of the greatest quarterbacks in the league but because of injuries, the Packers were forced to rely on their running game. Rogers didn't have time to do anything but hand the ball off.
I wonder if he regrets not going to the Broncos.
I wonder if he regrets not going to the Broncos.
Michael Z
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Green Bay Packer era is possibly over I think. It's back to the 80's I am afraid.
Paco Dennis
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What happened to the Bengals? They got whooped! 
Lethe200
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Temps, sorry to hear this news - football great David Butz has died at age 72:
'Gentle Giant' Dave Butz, Washington Legend, Dead at 72
Paco, yeah, that was a shock. But maybe understandable since Ja’Marr Chase was injured. And the Bengals really have to do something about their OL, like too many other teams. No point in paying zillions to your QB only to have them spend half the game knocked flat on the ground, LOL.
'Gentle Giant' Dave Butz, Washington Legend, Dead at 72
Paco, yeah, that was a shock. But maybe understandable since Ja’Marr Chase was injured. And the Bengals really have to do something about their OL, like too many other teams. No point in paying zillions to your QB only to have them spend half the game knocked flat on the ground, LOL.
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Oh there you are!! Great to see you back!!! Hoping you will be feeling better soon.
Paco Dennis
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I feels to me like the young black stars are showboating an awful lot. Almost every 1st down, it is some kind of ritual expression ( pointing to let everyone know it's a first down, gyrations, both body and facial, touchdowns are spiked, danced, jumping in the crowds, and on and on and on ). It kinda feels like when Rap music started dominating the top 40. I saw that about 70% of the players are black now. I can understand how this happens...and it is changing the atmosphere of the game...for me. I don't mind, it is just different. Way different than what it was like in the 50's and 60's.
Lethe200
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Players are now very aware that pro sports is entertainment. And relatively few of them manage to become multi-multi-millionaires. Most never break out as 'household names'. Their "brand", i.e., name recognition, is something they have to build up.
Marshawn Lynch, RB with Seahawks and Raiders, was always very concerned with what would happen when his life no longer revolved around football. It was why he trademarked the phrase "Beast Mode" that sportswriters hung on him, and used it to segue into the business world.
A lifelong resident of Oakland, CA, he is well aware of the many athletes who earned big money but then lost it once they left sports, because no one had ever taught them how to manage their finances for the long-term. Lynch is now a partner in a well-known sports agency firm that helps its clients with strategic planning, so they don't end up broke by the time they're 45 yrs old!
I believe the average career length for an NFL player is 3.3 years....not very long for all those years and hours of practice they've put in to finally get drafted. A sobering thought, indeed.
Marshawn Lynch, RB with Seahawks and Raiders, was always very concerned with what would happen when his life no longer revolved around football. It was why he trademarked the phrase "Beast Mode" that sportswriters hung on him, and used it to segue into the business world.
A lifelong resident of Oakland, CA, he is well aware of the many athletes who earned big money but then lost it once they left sports, because no one had ever taught them how to manage their finances for the long-term. Lynch is now a partner in a well-known sports agency firm that helps its clients with strategic planning, so they don't end up broke by the time they're 45 yrs old!
I believe the average career length for an NFL player is 3.3 years....not very long for all those years and hours of practice they've put in to finally get drafted. A sobering thought, indeed.
Tempsontime65
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Dave Butz was a great one, George Allen got him from the old St Louis Cardinals and the rest is legendary.
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Well, maybe the blind dog does find a bone, Commanders beat the Eagles[how bout dat??] didn't think they had it in em, nice win!
DaveA
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I tend to agree with you - - -but - - -it takes away some of the "good sportsmanship" that I connected with sports in earlier days. I still recall opposing players sticking out a hand for someone who's taken a hard hit. Today they dance around the fallen opponent. Not my type of sportsmanship.
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Lethe200
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It's just the 'heat of the moment'. After the game you'll see players mingling to hug their friends on the opposing teams.
I don't know how everyone else feels but in my opinion this has been the craziest year that I can remember in the NFL. I am so happy I do not gamble as I would have lost a ton of money this season. Off the top of my head I can think of ten teams who I would not be surprised winning the Super Bowl this year.
Lethe200
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Parity makes for uncertain outcomes, that's for sure. Browns vs Bucs, Ravens vs Jaguars - wild game endings make for exciting finishes!
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The Rams Bet It All for a Title. The Tab Is Coming Due.
The ring-winning nucleus of Matthew Stafford, Cooper Kupp, Aaron Donald and Jalen Ramsey remains intact but is loping through the 2022 season without solid support from the rest of the roster.
NYT 23Nov2022
The LA Rams built their 2021 roster to win the Super Bowl at all costs. They won the Super Bowl. Now they are paying all the costs.
The reigning-champion Rams have a 3-7 record. They have lost four straight games, the last two to the Arizona Cardinals, an NFC West rival, and the New Orleans Saints, teams with a combined 8-14 record. They are essentially eliminated from playoff contention; The NY Times’ NFL playoff calculator gives the Rams just a 3 percent chance of reaching the postseason.
LA faces KC on Sunday at Arrowhead Stadium in what once looked like a potential Super Bowl preview. Those expectations have been tempered by midseason reality: Early in the week, the Rams were 14.5-point underdogs.
The Rams’ front office made sure that the ring-winning nucleus of QB Matthew Stafford, receiver Cooper Kupp, defensive tackle Aaron Donald and CB Jalen Ramsey remained intact to start the season. But due to the franchise’s Live Fast/Spend Hard/Die Broke philosophy, however, that nucleus is no longer surrounded by championship-caliber cytoplasm or mitochondria. The overspending and under-drafting that got the franchise its second Super Bowl title is now rotting the Rams’ roster from the roots up.
The trade that brought Stafford to LA from the Detroit Lions before the 2021 season cost the Rams their 2022 and 2023 first-round picks, plus a 2021 third-round selection. Stafford signed a four-year, $160-million extension in March 2022.
Ramsey, a three-time All-Pro, arrived from the Jacksonville Jaguars midway through the 2019 season in exchange for the Rams’ 2020 and 2021 first-round picks, plus a 2021 fourth-round pick. Ramsey received a five-year, $105-million extension in 2020.
Donald, a three-time defensive player of the year, signed a three-year, $95 million extension in June, silencing speculation that he was mulling retirement. Kupp, the offensive player of the year in 2021, received a three-year, $80-million extension a few days later.
The Rams also traded a 2022 second-round pick to rent the services of the All-Pro pass rusher Von Miller for a few months last year. The team dealt its 2018 first-round pick for receiver Brandin Cooks, now long gone, and traded out of the first round in 2019 as part of a complicated tangle of deals to acquire more late-round picks.
The Rams have not selected within the first 50 picks in an NFL draft since 2017, leaving their roster nearly devoid of rising talent.
Meanwhile, the team’s middle class drifted away in the off-season. The stalwart left tackle Andrew Whitworth retired. Receiver Robert Woods was traded to the Tennessee Titans in a cost-cutting move. Miller left to pursue another championship with the Buffalo Bills.
Odell Beckham Jr. retreated to his Fortress of Solitude to rehab a torn anterior cruciate ligament and ponder his next move. Lesser-known starters, including defensive tackle Sebastian Joseph-Day and guard Austin Corbett, signed with teams that had more money to spend on rank-and-file contributors.
The Rams did find salary cap space to sign receiver Allen Robinson and the six-time All-Pro linebacker Bobby Wagner. Still, the team entered the 2022 season with a handful of big names — a few of them past their primes — supported by dozens of late-round picks, undrafted rookies and castoffs from other teams’ practice squads.
The flaws in the Rams’ 1-percenters-and-minimum-wagers model have been obvious all season. Kupp averaged nine catches for 101.6 yds per game before Week 10, when he injured an ankle, but Robinson proved an inadequate replacement for Woods and Beckham, and no other playmaker has stepped up.
Donald has five sacks, but the Rams are tied for 17th in the NFL in that category with just 22. Ramsey has run hot and cold — the Saints rookie receiver Chris Olave glided past him for a long TD on Sunday — leaving the Rams with ordinary-at-best pass coverage. Two blocked punts and a sputtering kick return game underscore the talent void at the bottom of the roster.
Stafford, meanwhile, has been in and out of concussion protocol after taking 29 sacks behind an ever-changing cast of obscure OLmen. With Kupp on injured reserve and Stafford ailing, the backup QB Bryce Perkins finished the Rams’ Week 11 loss to the Saints running a makeshift Wildcat offense. It was about as far from Super Bowl glory as a team can fall after just nine months.
The situation has gotten so bad that Beckham, once expected to re-sign with the Rams once healthy, has reportedly crossed them off his short list of future employers. Beckham is reportedly more willing to return to the Giants than the Rams. Now that’s a reversal of fortune.
Post Super Bowl-letdowns are not unusual, as teams inevitably face tougher schedules and tighter budgets after winning a championship. No team in history, however, has ever mortgaged its future as extravagantly as the Rams.
According to overthecap.com, all but $6 million of the Rams’ estimated 2023 salary cap budget is already accounted for, with $99 million earmarked for Donald, Kupp, Ramsey and Stafford. With only 37 players under contract beyond this season, the Rams may be forced to cut veterans just to field a 53-man roster next year.
The Fab-but-Fading-Four is scheduled to cost the Rams more than $136 million in 2024. And the Rams’ first-round pick in 2023, which could have netted them a much-needed potential rebuilding block, belongs to the Lions.
The Rams aren’t just enduring a Super Bowl hangover. They have woken up next to a total stranger in a Nevada honeymoon suite with an empty wallet and no sign of their car keys. They’ll be paying the price for their 2021 binge for years.
Banners hang from stadium rafters forever, and a Pyrrhic Super Bowl victory counts just as much as any other kind. The Rams may have no regrets, but their current situation offers a cautionary tale for the copycat franchises tempted to risk their futures on a few splashy trades. Spending lavishly on a few stars and tossing first-round picks around like confetti will not guarantee a championship, but it will guarantee an eventual, prolonged period of dreary austerity.
Moderation remains best in all things, including NFL roster construction. The Rams’ lesson arrived too late to stop the Denver Broncos from trading for Russell Wilson, but perhaps it will help other teams in the future.
The ring-winning nucleus of Matthew Stafford, Cooper Kupp, Aaron Donald and Jalen Ramsey remains intact but is loping through the 2022 season without solid support from the rest of the roster.
NYT 23Nov2022
The LA Rams built their 2021 roster to win the Super Bowl at all costs. They won the Super Bowl. Now they are paying all the costs.
The reigning-champion Rams have a 3-7 record. They have lost four straight games, the last two to the Arizona Cardinals, an NFC West rival, and the New Orleans Saints, teams with a combined 8-14 record. They are essentially eliminated from playoff contention; The NY Times’ NFL playoff calculator gives the Rams just a 3 percent chance of reaching the postseason.
LA faces KC on Sunday at Arrowhead Stadium in what once looked like a potential Super Bowl preview. Those expectations have been tempered by midseason reality: Early in the week, the Rams were 14.5-point underdogs.
The Rams’ front office made sure that the ring-winning nucleus of QB Matthew Stafford, receiver Cooper Kupp, defensive tackle Aaron Donald and CB Jalen Ramsey remained intact to start the season. But due to the franchise’s Live Fast/Spend Hard/Die Broke philosophy, however, that nucleus is no longer surrounded by championship-caliber cytoplasm or mitochondria. The overspending and under-drafting that got the franchise its second Super Bowl title is now rotting the Rams’ roster from the roots up.
The trade that brought Stafford to LA from the Detroit Lions before the 2021 season cost the Rams their 2022 and 2023 first-round picks, plus a 2021 third-round selection. Stafford signed a four-year, $160-million extension in March 2022.
Ramsey, a three-time All-Pro, arrived from the Jacksonville Jaguars midway through the 2019 season in exchange for the Rams’ 2020 and 2021 first-round picks, plus a 2021 fourth-round pick. Ramsey received a five-year, $105-million extension in 2020.
Donald, a three-time defensive player of the year, signed a three-year, $95 million extension in June, silencing speculation that he was mulling retirement. Kupp, the offensive player of the year in 2021, received a three-year, $80-million extension a few days later.
The Rams also traded a 2022 second-round pick to rent the services of the All-Pro pass rusher Von Miller for a few months last year. The team dealt its 2018 first-round pick for receiver Brandin Cooks, now long gone, and traded out of the first round in 2019 as part of a complicated tangle of deals to acquire more late-round picks.
The Rams have not selected within the first 50 picks in an NFL draft since 2017, leaving their roster nearly devoid of rising talent.
Meanwhile, the team’s middle class drifted away in the off-season. The stalwart left tackle Andrew Whitworth retired. Receiver Robert Woods was traded to the Tennessee Titans in a cost-cutting move. Miller left to pursue another championship with the Buffalo Bills.
Odell Beckham Jr. retreated to his Fortress of Solitude to rehab a torn anterior cruciate ligament and ponder his next move. Lesser-known starters, including defensive tackle Sebastian Joseph-Day and guard Austin Corbett, signed with teams that had more money to spend on rank-and-file contributors.
The Rams did find salary cap space to sign receiver Allen Robinson and the six-time All-Pro linebacker Bobby Wagner. Still, the team entered the 2022 season with a handful of big names — a few of them past their primes — supported by dozens of late-round picks, undrafted rookies and castoffs from other teams’ practice squads.
The flaws in the Rams’ 1-percenters-and-minimum-wagers model have been obvious all season. Kupp averaged nine catches for 101.6 yds per game before Week 10, when he injured an ankle, but Robinson proved an inadequate replacement for Woods and Beckham, and no other playmaker has stepped up.
Donald has five sacks, but the Rams are tied for 17th in the NFL in that category with just 22. Ramsey has run hot and cold — the Saints rookie receiver Chris Olave glided past him for a long TD on Sunday — leaving the Rams with ordinary-at-best pass coverage. Two blocked punts and a sputtering kick return game underscore the talent void at the bottom of the roster.
Stafford, meanwhile, has been in and out of concussion protocol after taking 29 sacks behind an ever-changing cast of obscure OLmen. With Kupp on injured reserve and Stafford ailing, the backup QB Bryce Perkins finished the Rams’ Week 11 loss to the Saints running a makeshift Wildcat offense. It was about as far from Super Bowl glory as a team can fall after just nine months.
The situation has gotten so bad that Beckham, once expected to re-sign with the Rams once healthy, has reportedly crossed them off his short list of future employers. Beckham is reportedly more willing to return to the Giants than the Rams. Now that’s a reversal of fortune.
Post Super Bowl-letdowns are not unusual, as teams inevitably face tougher schedules and tighter budgets after winning a championship. No team in history, however, has ever mortgaged its future as extravagantly as the Rams.
According to overthecap.com, all but $6 million of the Rams’ estimated 2023 salary cap budget is already accounted for, with $99 million earmarked for Donald, Kupp, Ramsey and Stafford. With only 37 players under contract beyond this season, the Rams may be forced to cut veterans just to field a 53-man roster next year.
The Fab-but-Fading-Four is scheduled to cost the Rams more than $136 million in 2024. And the Rams’ first-round pick in 2023, which could have netted them a much-needed potential rebuilding block, belongs to the Lions.
The Rams aren’t just enduring a Super Bowl hangover. They have woken up next to a total stranger in a Nevada honeymoon suite with an empty wallet and no sign of their car keys. They’ll be paying the price for their 2021 binge for years.
Banners hang from stadium rafters forever, and a Pyrrhic Super Bowl victory counts just as much as any other kind. The Rams may have no regrets, but their current situation offers a cautionary tale for the copycat franchises tempted to risk their futures on a few splashy trades. Spending lavishly on a few stars and tossing first-round picks around like confetti will not guarantee a championship, but it will guarantee an eventual, prolonged period of dreary austerity.
Moderation remains best in all things, including NFL roster construction. The Rams’ lesson arrived too late to stop the Denver Broncos from trading for Russell Wilson, but perhaps it will help other teams in the future.
The Rams don't have the rabid fanbase like the Seahawks and 49ers do so it is going to be interesting to see what happens to ticket sales in the next couple of years. When they hosted SF earlier in the season it seemed like the majority of those in the stadium were SF fans. Similar situation here in Phoenix also. They will probably still sellout while they attempt to rebuild but I am not sure if they will have much of a home field advantage during that time. If the Chargers happen to get better in the next couple of years then I think they will be the flavor of the month for the LA fans, much like the Clippers and Lakers situation right now in the NBA.
Tempsontime65
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One of the biggest games is the[Commander-Giants] coming up on Sunday, it's been awhile since these two were relevant at the same time with playoff positioning on the table, should be a good one!!
Feelslikefar
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Titans travel to Philly, and I'm going over to my son's house to watch
that game.
Will be a interesting time, as his wife is a huge Eagles fan along with her friends.
Son and I will be outnumbered, so I'm hoping the snacks will be plentiful.
that game.
Will be a interesting time, as his wife is a huge Eagles fan along with her friends.
Son and I will be outnumbered, so I'm hoping the snacks will be plentiful.
DaveA
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Maybe you two should bring along "baggies" in case Titan fans are delivered a shut-out regarding the snacks.