4 Killed At or Near Military Facilities. Shooter Has A Muslim Name

Why didn't peaceful German Christians do more to stop Hitler? It is just not that simple. Blaming a whole religion for the actions of a minority however monstrous is unfair, whether it is referencing Hitler's Nazi Germany, or present day Muslim terrorists.
 

It's not so much domestic Muslims but the Muslims with direct overseas exposure to radical elements of the religion. Both the Boston Bombers and this Tenn shooter had trips to other countries in areas infested with radicals & fanatics. The Muslims traveling to these areas or coming from these areas need extra scrutiny.
 
"Slight " difference,

the German claimed to be ignorant of the atrocities being committed by the Nazi's

The Muslims can all see it very clearly the problem is, they are afraid of speaking out against the terrorists.

NOBODY is ever blaming all of anyone for anything..

However, the leaders need to take the responsibility for what is taking place, openly, within, and under the name of their religion.

Muslims leaders need to step up take responsibility for leading their people into more peaceful ways and shunning the radical terriorists.

I'm listening..
I'm Listening

and I only hear an occasional dribble....
 

Annie, I have heard/read the same thing. Regarding German's claiming ignorance of the actions of the Nazi's atrocities. Some may have been obvilious, but pictures, records, clearly indicate how complicit the majority were in the Thousand Year Reich. It would not have been sensible for the average person to admit any knowledge/collaboration of the heinous acts perpetrated by those monsters. They risked jail or worse after the war ended.
 
Also, here in Canada, all the major Muslim leaders have spoken out again and again decrying the radicalization of Muslim youth, and the heinous terrorist acts perpetrated by a rabid few. I am certain this response is the norm in America, Great Britain, France, and many other countries as well. It is important to remember one billion persons follow the teachings of Islam, factor in the estimated number of Islamic terrorists globally, and the percentage is very small. It was the same in Northern Ireland during The Troubles, a small number of terrorists, financed primarily overseas,(including healthy contributions from sympathisers in America,) created terror for decades. Another similarity, both Muslim and Irish moderates risk/ risked torture and death of themselves and their loved ones if they speak/spoke out against the terrorists. How would I behave under Such constraints? I hope I never find out!
 
drug abuse excuse

Now it's being said the shooter was a drug addict and the trip to Jordan was an attempt to sober up. The failed background check for the nuclear plant was supposedly a failed drug test.

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Even if he was a drug addict that is no excuse. I do not believe it but many drug addicts complain that many rehab programs amount to nothing but brainwashing. I guess the program is supposed to become your life or a new way of life. Sounds like radical Islam became his new way of life. I don't think drugs are an excuse in that many remove inhibition to do what one really wants to do or say and act like what they are really thinking. This all could be a distraction from the family and be curious to see the final toxicology results.
 
This might be a good time to mention that the Nazis were Christian. I am not comfortable blaming all Muslims for a small minority of terrorists, any more than I would blame all Christianity for the horror that was Nazi Germany.

WHO ??

Who ?? Is " blaming all Muslims ???

One newspaper , one proof please ???

Not some isolated single persons demented opinion..one newspaper ????


Name it please ...newspaper and writer


I wish people would stop saying this same stupid thing over and over without a shred of PROOF !!!!
 
WHO ??

Who ?? Is " blaming all Muslims ???

One newspaper , one proof please ???

Not some isolated single persons demented opinion..one newspaper ????


Name it please ...newspaper and writer


I wish people would stop saying this same stupid thing over and over without a shred of PROOF !!!!

Oh, calm down and stop shouting. Who said a newspaper said this? I know people who say this, most of them Americans. One is a relative of mine and you can't point out how stupid that is.
 
It is time for the Muslims to start saying NOT ME over and over. Right now we never hear much from the Muslims about the good or bad of their members. The last I heard was about some Muslim leader in England I believe, and he was accused of some not so nice things.

A few years back I went to a book store and bought a Qor'an. The one I have is 5"x7" with over 600 pages. Too me a very detailed but confusing book to read and understand. But it may make sense to those that grew up with it.

It would be nice if they could allow themselves to be freely among the rest of us without the religious garments they feel they must always wear. I read somewhere that proper attire is not part of the Qur'an. That must be so as I can never find it.

And there are different garments found in different areas of the world. Like Christianity, I know of no clothing items required but many of the Christian faiths do have special clothing for the churches people that they wear during services.

And for the Muslims there are other books around called the Hadith where more of the so called comments of Muhammad are kept. I have not yet bought a Hadith or two to read. Likely won't either.

To wind up my post, I say again. It is the responsibility of the Muslims to speak out loud and clear that they do not like all this hate and murdering from their own people.
 
Plenty on the internet from moderate Muslims if people care to check.

I know many Muslim women that dress in Western style clothing.
 
Bee, I am sure there are some Muslims that don't dress up as then we don't really see them.

The problem is that if they do not start speaking loudly about not wanting hate and murder, most will never notice and give them any credit. Looking on the web we can find most anything. But I wonder how many really look to the web for anything but forums they like and email stuff. Can't expect us all to look for what they should actually be very defensive of. We have plenty of headlines speaking of evil and things ISIS is doing. The feed back should be just as loud and public in response.

I wonder if most folks just believe since no big defensive roar that maybe Muslims all think it is OK.

Is Bee a shortcut for Beatrice?
 
Here in my home town of York, PA, we have armed civilians that are allowed to carry firearms because they have a permit, standing outside the Armed Forces Recruiting Center. Check it out at http://www.wgal.com
I have a concealed weapons permit, but I won't be joining them. Look at the video inside the link. These 'boys' aren't playing.
 
Most Muslims don't think it is ok Bob, and neither do the Muslim leaders in Canada who continually speak up against terrorism, and work tirelessly in their communities to stop the radicalization of Muslim youth.
 
Bee, I am sure there are some Muslims that don't dress up as then we don't really see them.

The problem is that if they do not start speaking loudly about not wanting hate and murder, most will never notice and give them any credit. Looking on the web we can find most anything. But I wonder how many really look to the web for anything but forums they like and email stuff. Can't expect us all to look for what they should actually be very defensive of. We have plenty of headlines speaking of evil and things ISIS is doing. The feed back should be just as loud and public in response.

I wonder if most folks just believe since no big defensive roar that maybe Muslims all think it is OK.



Is Bee a shortcut for Beatrice?


It would be Bob if newspapers were to publish from the other side, but would that sell the papers?? and that is why many moderate Muslims take to the internet and social networking sites to get their message across.


Yes you have sussed me out Bob.:)
 
The IDEA that anyone thinks all muslims are bad is pretty demented and pretty stupid!

Talking about Ideas here....some people don't get that concept...?

"Woowie Kazowis" Bee, You actually know Muslim women who wear western style clothing ?

Amazing!!!

That changes all of my concepts about Muslim women completely....
 
Open your damn eyes woman and you will see I was posting in reference to Bob's comment in post 37.

Oh! by the way you do realise that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, although I doubt if you will understand that either.
 
The IDEA that anyone thinks all muslims are bad is pretty demented and pretty stupid!

Talking about Ideas here....some people don't get that concept...?

"Woowie Kazowis" Bee, You actually know Muslim women who wear western style clothing ?

Amazing!!!

That changes all of my concepts about Muslim women completely....


WHY?? Lots of Mormons only have one wife. Lots of christians wear pants to church. And very few of us Native Americans still scalp the white-eyes.................
 
It would be Bob if newspapers were to publish from the other side, but would that sell the papers?? and that is why many moderate Muslims take to the internet and social networking sites to get their message across.


Yes you have sussed me out Bob.:)

Who reads newspapers anymore. We dropped papers long ago as they had dropped to a page or two of news, local and national with some stock market stuff to many many pages of ads for groceries, hardware, auto, etc. Nothing worth the cost of delivery to home.

Maybe getting some TV airtime, in normal local dress rather than religious dress, if they can. Speak about the hate and killing going on in the Arab states and how wrong it is. Public speaking or TV are about the only ways for the rest of the public to hear their stories and get their minds changed from distrusting all to trusting many and knowing who to distrust.

In the US we are really fortunate that the founders went to accepting ALL religions but not allowing any religion to be our government. History of Europe and Africa show religion to be a rather risky way to go for leadership.
 
When I took debate in university, we were taught that the last defence of an individual caught with a specious argument was to attack the opponent using ridicule in an attempt at misdirection. It rarely works, and never reflects well on the aggressor. Something to consider.
 

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