4 Killed At or Near Military Facilities. Shooter Has A Muslim Name

BobF said:
Who reads newspapers anymore. We dropped papers long ago as they had dropped to a page or two of news, local and national with some stock market stuff to many many pages of ads for groceries, hardware, auto, etc. Nothing worth the cost of delivery to home.

Maybe getting some TV airtime, in normal local dress rather than religious dress, if they can. Speak about the hate and killing going on in the Arab states and how wrong it is. Public speaking or TV are about the only ways for the rest of the public to hear their stories and get their minds changed from distrusting all to trusting many and knowing who to distrust.

In the US we are really fortunate that the founders went to accepting ALL religions but not allowing any religion to be our government. History of Europe and Africa show religion to be a rather risky way to go for leadership.
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, I haven't bought a newspaper for years Bob, but I do read the papers on the internet.................there have been occassional articles from the moderates speaking out against the terrosists and a lot have taken to social media and You Tube to get their point across, one of the main ones has the hashtag...notinmyname.

You may find this article which was written last October interesting.

http://foreignpolicyblogs.com/2014/10/10/moderate-muslims-speak-out-against-terrorism/

From July 2014, click on the video.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28165325
 
Bee, I just finished reading these articles. Really amazing what is published about events in the ISIS areas and how folks in Europe and Mediterranean areas are behaving. Also very noticeable how the US was pointed out to be not much help at all and pointed a finger at the US government and our leadership.

I do agree with those articles. I think we will pay now and help all to win over the terrorist, or we will pay later and have a much bigger fight to win as many of the current victims will no longer be able to help defeat the terrorists.

Note too that in the US we don't seem to have much involvement with the Islamist cry's for NOT IN MY NAME. If it is happening it is too low key and should be brought forward and louder. It is important that we hear the cry and that we also become part of the effort to put those Shia or Sunni, which ever part of Islam it is, that wants to destroy the world and make us all radical Muslims. I believe it is the Shia part that supports the terrorists.
 
Actually Bob, al Qaeda and ISIS are both examples of extreme Sunni Islam.

A source of a lot of the trouble with radicalisation of Muslim countries like Pakistan can be laid at the feet of the Saudis who fund the madrassas that teach Wahhabism, a very hard line Sunni offshoot that does not recognise any other forms. These are the groups executing other Muslims as infidels. Sunnis used to be moderate before the upsurge of Wahhabism.
 
A very confusing situation with ISIS. The link I will post says the Sunni will fight Iran and ISIS together if they invade Sunni territories. But of coarse it is 9 months old right now. So it looks like ISIS has those that do not like them in both Sunni and Shia groups.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/why-sunnis-wont-fight-isis/
[h=1]Why Sunnis Won’t Fight ISIS[/h] [h=2]They were abandoned after the Awakening, and won't trust the U.S again, dooming America's new effort in Iraq.[/h] By Peter Van Buren • October 17, 2014


Sorry Mr. President



The Sunnis seem to be choosing a middle ground, one which does not serve Obama’s interests.


According to a 1920s Revolution Brigade Sunni leader, various militias came to the decision “not to support the international coalition against ISIS.” They also decided not to cooperate with ISIS, saying “If the Iraqi army or the Shia militias attack Sunni areas we control, we will fight both groups.”


“We are against the acts of the hard-line Islamic State. And we are also against bombed cars exploding randomly in Baghdad,” Abu Samir al-Jumaili, one of the Sunni Mujahideen Army’s leaders in Anbar province, told NIQASH. “However we are also opposed to the government’s sectarian policies against Sunnis… In 2006 we cooperated to expel al-Qaeda from Sunni cities but the government did not keep its end of the bargain. They chased our leaders and arrested us … The ISIS group are terrorists but so are the Shia militias.”
 
BobF said:
A very confusing situation with ISIS. The link I will post says the Sunni will fight Iran and ISIS together if they invade Sunni territories. But of coarse it is 9 months old right now. So it looks like ISIS has those that do not like them in both Sunni and Shia groups.
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On this point, ISIS is everyone's enemy. They kill mainstream Sunnis as readily as they kill Shia, Sufis, Kurds, Christians and Westerners. They are a murderous sect and few have the courage to stand against them. Iraqi Sunnis have a tendency to flee before them while the Kurds take the fight right up to them. I think the Kurds are Sunnis too but I'm not sure of this. Kurdish women fighters are ISIS' worst nightmare because they represent death with out the chance of martyrdom.

News overnight revealed that ISIS have been systematically rounding up homosexual men in the regions that they have overrun and executing them by throwing them from the top of tall buildings. Any that are still alive after the fall are stoned.

In the days of Saddam Hussein, Iraq and Iran were enemies and a war was fought. The US sided with Iraq if memory serves. Today Iraq's interest might be different. Isis is now a much more serious threat than its neighbour. Help from Iran might now be welcome.
 

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