6 Year Old Killed In Road Rage Incident

Marg, I've lived here all my life, which believe me, is many, many years. I've never heard anyone refer to it that way except you.

In fact, most of us just refer to it as the U.S., or The States. USA is sometimes used to give it a certain kind of emphasis, and it's often ironic, though not always. But US of A? That just sounds weird.
 

In this report it's say the passenger shot and killed the boy. Picture of bullet hole on drivers side trunk to left of the license plate. This makes more sense because to drive, pull, load and aim a gun at high speed doesn't seem probable. This is even more disturbing because the passenger decided for the driver how to react.

Also a reward has been offered for information on the killers.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ad-road-rage-driver-shares-dying-moments.html

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/...ear-olds-death-in-road-rage-shooting/2601894/
 
Aunt Marg said:
But where does it end, Remy?

Because you live in the USofA, you just allow everyone to walk on you?

Is that what the gun-culture in the USofA has created? Everyone living in fear? Afraid to say anything or stand up to anyone?
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Around here if you don't watch what you say there's a huge chance you could p*ss off the wrong person and get shot. You would never last here.
 

Sunny said:
Marg, I've lived here all my life, which believe me, is many, many years. I've never heard anyone refer to it that way except you.

In fact, most of us just refer to it as the U.S., or The States. USA is sometimes used to give it a certain kind of emphasis, and it's often ironic, though not always. But US of A? That just sounds weird.
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I don't think she's making fun of it I think it's just the tone in which it's delivered but technically there's nothing wrong with it.
 
Della said:
This is so sad. That poor mother will always blame herself. I'm not subject to road rage myself, If someone wants to cut me off I don't care a bit, unlike my husband, I don't always think I'm going to a fire and every second counts, but I know lots of people who do get easily angered on the road and I think we need to keep that in mind before we start -- or continue --incidents.

We were stepping out of Walmart into the striped area yesterday and a woman flew by almost hitting my husband, looking down at her phone. with pedestrians everywhere. What is wrong with people?
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It is against the law to drive and use a cell phone at the same time here in BC. Early on people would stop in some strange places to answer their phones, now they mostly pull over to the edge of the road. Of course there are people who still can't obey the law, and still cause accidents.
 
mrstime said:
It is against the law to drive and use a cell phone at the same time here in BC. Early on people would stop in some strange places to answer their phones, now they mostly pull over to the edge of the road. Of course there are people who still can't obey the law, and still cause accidents.
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Some cities in Ohio have Ordinances titled Full time and Attention. All drivers must give their FTaA while driving, or such. It's sort of a catch all. Example: a woman is putting on makeup while driving. The driver is jigging back and forth to music while driving.
 
Englewood, Ohio


432.38 WEAVING; FULL TIME AND ATTENTION.

(a) No person shall operate a motor vehicle or motorcycle upon any street or highway in a weaving or zigzag course unless such irregular course is necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law.

(b) No person shall operate a motor vehicle or motorcycle without giving his or her full time and attention to the operation of such vehicle.
 
I should have addressed the original subject, however I am no longer shocked by the gun violence in the US, as long as the NRA pays off the American politicians it will continue. I guess that smacks of politics and as such is a no-no, but really when will it end?
 
win231 said:
Gun haters are not intelligent enough to understand that the presence of a gun has nothing to do with a tendency for violence. It's the person who has the gun that determines its use.
If that was not true, you could hand the Pope a gun & expect him to start shooting people.
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There are very few "gun haters", we had guns for years , taught our kids gun safety and how to shoot at very young ages, but there are some real gun laws needed in the US. We no longer have a gun, don't need one as we are not going hunting ever again, too cotton picken old to be tromping through the woods!
 
Sunny said:
Marg, I've lived here all my life, which believe me, is many, many years. I've never heard anyone refer to it that way except you.

In fact, most of us just refer to it as the U.S., or The States. USA is sometimes used to give it a certain kind of emphasis, and it's often ironic, though not always. But US of A? That just sounds weird.
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In case you’re confused.
It’s short for ‘United States of America.’
Canada was never called ‘Canada of America.’ 🙂6B229DE7-2668-4633-926E-83C105F72976.gif
 
In the past, I’ve been known to flip a bird or two. 🙃 It’s been a long time since I’ve done it but after reading about this along with everyone’s posts, I don’t think I’ll ever do that again. Why respond badly due to someone else’s bad behaviour.
It’s never to late to learn.
 
In Western culture, "the finger" or the middle finger is an obscene hand gesture. The gesture communicates moderate to extreme contempt, and is roughly equivalent in meaning to "**** me", "**** you", "shove it up your ass/arse", "up yours" or "go **** yourself". It is performed by showing the back of a hand that has only the middle finger extended upwards, though in some locales, the thumb is extended. Extending the finger is considered a symbol of contempt in several cultures, especially in the Western world. Many cultures use similar gestures to display their disrespect, although others use it to express pointing without intentional disrespect. The gesture is usually used to express contempt but can also be used humorously or playfully.

Oh how intelligent, and classy a gesture, Not. Which takes more strong self-esteem, to ignore the gesture when the target is you, or be short on self-esteem ....., "AIN'T nobody gonna get' away with doing that to me?!" And get into a fight with the perpetrator? I mean, afterall, who wants to be thought a coward? Sticks and stones may break my bones, but finger gestures?
 
In my 60+ years, and way over a million miles, of driving, I've lost track of the number of bad drivers I've had to dodge. All a person can do is to assume that every other car/truck around them is a potential accident, pay attention and drive "defensively". I've seen several road rage incidents, and it seldom ends well. Rather than "participating" in any such activity, I just call them an idiot, and try to stay well out of their way. I've seen people reading the newspaper, shaving, putting on makeup, and several other dumb things while driving, and it's amazing that such people get to their destination safely.

In this particular incident, I doubt the culprit will ever be found....unless they have a severe breakdown of their conscience...and that's not very likely.

In today's environment, the biggest risk, IMO, is driving near someone who is totally infatuated with their cell phone.
 
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I carry in my truck and had a very slight contact from a car behind me a few years ago. I got out and looked and saw no damage and got back in my truck and went on to work. A few year before that one I was rear ended by a person on her phone when she struck me stopped at a light. Again, got out exchanged info and went on about our day. Damage was $1,000+/-. Her insurance paid all. The difference is in both cases all went on with their lives versus someone's life ending violently. So do you blame the guns or the fools?
 
What seems to be getting lost with this incident in particular is so far it seems the passenger not the other driver killed the child. The driver of the suspected vehicle did not fire the gun. Their passenger did. That's probably why it happened fairly quick.

I'll be honest I view driving as mortal combat because it's up to me to keep myself safe. That also means if I see a situation developing I slow down or pull over to the side if I have to. And yes I cursed, stared and gave others lip service. Even got into a staredown.
 
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Just to put this pointless discussion to rest (for me, anyway), here's my final comment on it.

1. I am aware that the country is called the United States of America. It is never referred to as the US of A. It sounds like something Archie Bunker would say. I wonder if that's where it originated?

2. I looked up that abbreviation. It is not even included in any of the lists of abbreviations that I could find, although it is mentioned one time, as a "colloquial" expression. But nowhere is the term listed as a serious abbreviation for the country's name, either inside or outside of the country.

3. More to the point, I have never read one positive thing about the U.S. from Marg. "The US of A" is always followed by a superior, gloating comment about how awful life must be for us poor people living in the lower 48, how we can never leave our homes without being armed to the teeth, everyone is "packing" all the time, and so on. None of this is true anywhere in the country to my knowledge unless you happen to live in a crime-infested neighborhood (and she has been told this also by various people, but it doesn't stop the constant sniping), and the sarcastic abbreviation is part of the whole shtick.

Here's just one example of the anti-American nonsense, right here in this thread:

Because you live in the USofA, you just allow everyone to walk on you?

Is that what the gun-culture in the USofA has created? Everyone living in fear? Afraid to say anything or stand up to anyone?

Of course, I am also aware that we have a gun problem, and plenty of other serious problems, such as the political split that has almost turned us into two separate countries, the racism that seems to go on forever, some very nasty religious differences, our slowness in responding to Covid, and many others. I am not a flag-waving goody-goody. But in spite of its problems, I really do love this country. It has been very kind to my family, and I am so glad that my grandparents had the good sense to emigrate here when they did. And it's very annoying, to put it mildly, to keep seeing negative, and largely untrue, statements about the U.S. being made up out of whole cloth, or perhaps mindlessly repeated.

I doubt that Canada is a perfect Utopia. But I don't make up nasty nicknames (well, I did it that one time to prove a point, but I don't usually refer to Canada as CanofAda). Why the childishness? We are supposed to be a "friendly" discussion group, and as seniors, we ought to be showing some maturity. How about some respect for the places where other people live?

By the way, Marg, you and I are on the same page about the Second Amendment. If you just cut out the sniping and the ridiculous descriptions of life in this country, we'd be allies.
 
Della said:
Wrong again.

Women who live with gun owners are in much more danger of domestic homicide than those who live with "gun haters."

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/22/us/gun-ownership-violence-statistics.html#:~:text=the main story-,Gun Ownership Rates Tied to Domestic Homicides,Not Other Killings, Study Finds&text=A new study has found,other kinds of gun homicide.
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Aunt Marg said:
Blaming everything on the pandemic is nothing more than an adopted societal crutch.

Just one more avenue for people to make up excuses for themselves as well as others relative to their shortfalls.
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I tend to look at the end result. The end result of this incident is that the brain-dead mother will think about the consequences of her "Showing the other driver who is boss" for the rest of her life.
 
Sunny said:
3. More to the point, I have never read one positive thing about the U.S. from Marg. "The US of A" is always followed by a superior, gloating comment about how awful life must be for us poor people living in the lower 48, how we can never leave our homes without being armed to the teeth, everyone is "packing" all the time, and so on. None of this is true anywhere in the country to my knowledge unless you happen to live in a crime-infested neighborhood (and she has been told this also by various people, but it doesn't stop the constant sniping), and the sarcastic abbreviation is part of the whole shtick.
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If you don't mind, Sunny, allow me to pull my "shtick" out for a moment and say, when it comes to gun violence in the United States of North America, you're right, I have not a single good thing to say about it, but over and above my outspokenness when it comes to gun crime, I have nothing against the United States of North America (as a whole).

Adding, when I speak of feeling sorry for those in the United States of North America who are caught up in the middle, as in those like yourself along with others who would love nothing more than to see restrictive measures brought down on gun freedoms in your country, my words are genuine.

As for your claim on my childishness related to me referring to your country as the USofA, have a read. You seem to be the exception. Shrug shoulders.

https://www.seniorforums.com/threads/usa-united-states-of-america-us-united-states-america.60379/

Over the course of my lifetime I've learned that there's just no pleasing everybody, and I quit trying a long time ago.

In closing, I feel genuinely bad for you that you have allowed my use of USofA to bunch, pull, and twist your knickers into the ball that they are in.
 
I've recently had the disappointing experience of several female Canadians on another forum disparage several things about USA citizens. I was shocked by what they said because I thought Canadians saw American citizens much like they. Good, bad, both the same. I once thought that Canada would be a place I'd enjoy visiting, but not now. So, are Canadians and Americans friends, or what?
 
People flip off another individual because it gives them a short term feeling of satisfaction. What it really does is to incite the situation, which can escalate it in a hurry, like in this situation. People’s reactions to this type of situation are different. Some can walk away and forget it while others do something stupid like this.

There aren’t any winners here. Just losers.
 
Elsie said:
I've recently had the disappointing experience of several female Canadians on another forum disparage several things about USA citizens. I was shocked by what they said because I thought Canadians saw American citizens much like they. Good, bad, both the same. I once thought that Canada would be a place I'd enjoy visiting, but not now. So, are Canadians and Americans friends, or what?
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America is Canada’s biggest ally and vice versa because the Canadian government know that they enjoy the full protection of the American military. If any country would invade Canada, the U.S. would stand beside them.
 

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