A new COVID-19 mutation more contagious than Delta

Shero said:
The anti vaxxers are in the minority. They will have no choice but to comply with sensibility if they wish to participate in communities where they live.

On the other hand, they can build a wall around themselves and live in their homes, for the rest of their lives! See how long they last!!!
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Shero, I have watched the anti-vaxxers shrink down to a tiny minority on this forum. Back around March, 2021, there were a lot more opinions about there really being no such thing as a horrible disease killing thousands of people (which turned into millions). All the numbers published by the government were lies designed to fool the people. The "big pharma" companies (boo, hiss) were only interested in profits and were pushing their useless snake oil to get even richer. And the masks didn't work, and when the vaccine finally came along, that didn't work either. Every setback was greeted with glee, apparently.

It still goes on, but the number of people following the demagogues, opportunists, medical quacks and just plain nut cases seem to be shrinking, both on this forum and out there in the world. Partly this is because many of them have died of Covid, but I have a feeling that many of them have just quietly accepted the obvious truth.

And you're right, those who are pathologically scared of this vaccine will just be stuck living in their homes for the rest of their lives. Maybe a new psychiatric specialty will pop up, to treat vaccine phobia.
 

Even though my wife and I are vaccinated, we have taken a "hit" in the past few days, as a result of the news surrounding this latest Covid variant. That "Hit" is the Stock Market. Our investments have been on a huge "roller coaster" in the past week as all this Covid Panic has rattled investors....even though there are very few of these cases, if any, in the US...yet.

If just the "suggestion" of another major spike in Covid can upset the markets so drastically, What is going to happen to our economy IF we go into another "crisis mode"?

I think we may go to the store this week and buy a Ton of Toilet Paper.
 

Boy, isn't that the truth? The stock market has been a blood bath this week. I think I have lost almost everything I gained during the "run up". I was always expecting a correction, but...

My father was a stock broker in the old days. Stock valuations were always based on company fundamentals. Now they are based on emotion and bad/good news. You have to have a strong stomach to stay invested.
 
Sunny said:
Shero, I have watched the anti-vaxxers shrink down to a tiny minority on this forum. Back around March, 2021, there were a lot more opinions about there really being no such thing as a horrible disease killing thousands of people (which turned into millions). All the numbers published by the government were lies designed to fool the people. The "big pharma" companies (boo, hiss) were only interested in profits and were pushing their useless snake oil to get even richer. And the masks didn't work, and when the vaccine finally came along, that didn't work either. Every setback was greeted with glee, apparently.

It still goes on, but the number of people following the demagogues, opportunists, medical quacks and just plain nut cases seem to be shrinking, both on this forum and out there in the world. Partly this is because many of them have died of Covid, but I have a feeling that many of them have just quietly accepted the obvious truth.

And you're right, those who are pathologically scared of this vaccine will just be stuck living in their homes for the rest of their lives. Maybe a new psychiatric specialty will pop up, to treat vaccine phobia.
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Looks like the next big thing to study at university Sunny will be treating the fallout from the anti vaxxers brought on by themselves!
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dseag2 said:
Boy, isn't that the truth? The stock market has been a blood bath this week. I think I have lost almost everything I gained during the "run up". I was always expecting a correction, but...

My father was a stock broker in the old days. Stock valuations were always based on company fundamentals. Now they are based on emotion and bad/good news. You have to have a strong stomach to stay invested.
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Like "Saint John" Bogle said... "only two reasons to get out of the market:
1. You have a better investment
2. You need the money

Otherwise hang tight - it'll bounce back. Interesting chart:

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Ladybj said:
I don't need to see anyone...my mind is sharper than a razor blade :love:
Sorry to hear your hubby insults you - you don't deserve it.
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My mother, at 96, has a razor blade mind as well that is just starting to get a few nicks in it. My mind is starting to slip a bit more, but my husbands mind is really slipping and he’s aware of that which seems to make him even more nasty. ☹️
 
dseag2 said:
I love reading the back-and-forth between you and Win. It really does remind me of the exchanges between Larry David and Susie Greene. (Sorry for the language.) :LOL:

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I really like win and our back and forth are in great fun, hopefully he agrees. (I didn’t watch the media.)
 
I don't know about this new one. It's not in our State. My Problem is I need a right knee replacement ASAP. I talked to my surgeon's nurse yesterday. She said, "Tom I have no idea when you will get your surgery." Our hospital is filling up again but this time it's with people that have HAD BOTHS SHOTS. Out infectious disease, Drs are trying to figure out why a person gets both shots then 2 to 4 months later end up in the hospital.

She said we were down to only 8 to 10 people a week being admitted NO SHOTS. Now we are getting 20+ a day that had their shots but not a bad case of the virus. They only stay 3 to 4 days.

I did find a special Orthopedic hospital that only does orthopedic surgeries no Conav. The problem is they will not take my insurance. & if I want the surgery it would cost me $20,00.00+ for me to pay after Medicare paid their part.
 
@Tom 86 That info is very telling. I see in the news from Uk and Ireland(the most vaxed country in the world) similar, how most people coming to hospitals have had the full series of vaccinations now.

So sorry about your situation with knee surgery. I really am hoping this thing is over sooner than the dire predictions we get from the news recently. especially in light of situations like your own. 🙏
 
What vaccines are available in US?
We have AstraZeneca and Pfizer so far and they seem to be doing the job.

The Chinese vaccine seems to be working pretty well in some third world countries but there is not enough of any vaccine to really protect these countries.
 
We have Pfizer, Mederma & one other that's not mentioned much. I had the one shot of Mederma on Jan 12th of this year.
Pfizer is the main one being used now. Even the booster shots are all Pfizer that can be mixed with the others.
 
Tom 86 said:
I don't know about this new one. It's not in our State. My Problem is I need a right knee replacement ASAP. I talked to my surgeon's nurse yesterday. She said, "Tom I have no idea when you will get your surgery." Our hospital is filling up again but this time it's with people that have HAD BOTHS SHOTS. Out infectious disease, Drs are trying to figure out why a person gets both shots then 2 to 4 months later end up in the hospital.

She said we were down to only 8 to 10 people a week being admitted NO SHOTS. Now we are getting 20+ a day that had their shots but not a bad case of the virus. They only stay 3 to 4 days.

I did find a special Orthopedic hospital that only does orthopedic surgeries no Conav. The problem is they will not take my insurance. & if I want the surgery it would cost me $20,00.00+ for me to pay after Medicare paid their part.
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“Not a bad case. . . . . they only stay 3 or 4 days.” Hmm, talk to someone who has had it that bad and ask if they think it wasn’t a “bad case”. Cause it is a bad case. My son is still on oxygen, he’s been on oxygen since October 19, and will be on oxygen another month at least. He was in the hospital 4 days.

It was a bad case and still is-according to his lungs.
 
Remy said:
I just heard there is a second omicron variant case is in the U.S.. I'm not good with timing but I'm glad I got the booster a week ago Tuesday.
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Exactly. I asked about my sons booster and it’s a three month after Covid wait. The antibodies start to lessen at 3 months so that is the current suggested time for his booster-otherwise the shot would be wasted, according to his doctors.
 
 
Becky1951 said:

Omicron Covid variant now detected in three U.S. states after Minnesota and Colorado officials confirm new cases​


All 3 were fully vaccinated.

https://www-cnbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/12/02/minnesota-reports-second-us-omicron-covid-case-in-resident-who-traveled-to-nyc.html?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw==#aoh=16384829082635&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/02/minnesota-reports-second-us-omicron-covid-case-in-resident-who-traveled-to-nyc.html
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Gosh, Becky, you never give up. I have to give you credit for persistence.

BUT...

How many "fully vaccinated" people have been made seriously ill by this disease? How many have died of it? (As compared with the number of UNvaccinated people made seriously ill or dying of it?)

I would be very interested in your answer.

P.S. No one knows yet how serious this Omicron variant is. It could be serious, or it could be one of the many Covid variants that just amount to a sniffle. Either way, its inevitable appearance in the U.S. gives us even more reason to be vaccinated.

By now, anyone in their right mind (without medical prohibitions) has received the vaccine.
 
Just now got a call from my home health aide, she sez that
over weekend she was in contact with friends one of which
has tested positive for covid...so my gal isn't gonna be here
on monday, out of caution....great.....
 

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