Active shooter at Fort Hood Texas

9000 people are shot dead in america each year, - that's over 24 per day. another day, another rush on guns.
 

They have changed it now to the usual story. One shooter, on medications, (no second shooter mentioned now), and even though he was "being engaged" by law enforcement, he is supposed to have killed himself with a shot to the head.
They say it was some kind of a soldier-to-soldier fight; even though this doesn't seem to make sense how he could have killed so many people, so it is being questioned.
First shots were reported at about 4:30, but after 5pm, people were still reporting hearing shots, so how could it have lasted almost an hour ??
Again, no actual coverage of the scene, not even by helicopters; just pictures of vehicles being turned back at the gate.

Apparently, even the soldiers are not being told what actually happened, and many people are being sheltered off of the post tonite, according to reports online.
 
Seems to happen a lot.
Déjà vu anyone?

We had some déjà vu too today - a 61yo woman taken by a shark and a 38yo diver missing, feared eaten, another member of parliament up before a corruption investigation, more announcements of lost manufacturing jobs (BP, Boeing and Philip Morris) - but it would seem that no-one got shot last night.
 
They are reporting it right now on CNN. Apparently there are 3 died and 16 injured, 3 in critical condition. I think there is often confusion initially when things like this first happen, and reports that first come out are often inaccurate.
 
rkunsaw said:
How many times does something have to be explained before you begin to understand?
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They can't understand if they won't hear Rkunsaw, we just need to copy and paste all of our past posts and maybe something will sink in. This is yet another case of a mentally ill person being prescribed anti-depressants which are known to cause violent behavior, homicides and suicides. http://www.ssristories.org/ .

They also have not learned from past incidents at these facilities, that making them gun-free zones, when there are plenty of experienced military there, that could have stopped these killing before they even happened, are just making them more susceptible to shootings like this in the future. They'd rather call 911, and sit and wait for "first responders" to arrive on the scene.

It appears that there may have been some kind of an FBI warning given beforehand? http://www.infowars.com/ft-hood-off...suggest-soldiers-can-wait-minutes-for-police/
 
One outsider's view - you're all insane to put your faith in guns to conquer gun rampages.
One church is doing just that and I think this is the biggest insanity of all.

[h=1]Guns for Jesus: Churches fill their pews with weapons giveaways[/h]
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Grace Baptist Church in Troy, N.Y., is giving away a modified AR-15, joining other churches using firearms giveaways to draw people in to hear religious and 2nd Amendment messages.
(Mike McMahon / Troy Record / March 7, 2014)






By Patt Morrison March 11, 2014, 7:19 a.m.


What would Jesus shoot?
Some churches in Kentucky and in upstate New York are doing what it takes to get people into the pews to hear the word of God — and in their neck of the woods, that means giving away guns.

The flier for the raffle at Grace Baptist Church, in Troy, N.Y., shows an AR-15 — an assault rifle altered to make it legal in that state — with a quote from the gospel of St. John, “My peace I give unto you.” It isn’t spelled “piece,” but it could have been.





http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opin...eaways-20140311,0,2844960.story#ixzz2xrWXDSdx

Come the day I have to leave this country as a refugee, I'm not heading across the Pacific. A short hop across the Tasman Sea will do me.
 
The guns don't do the rampaging, the mentally ill people do. Not trying to change anyone's opinion here, to each his own.
 
The australian solution won't work in the united states. Australia never had the severe addiction and obsession about guns that america has.
They will just keep shooting each other till everyone is dead, then the chinese will take over.
 
I agree that the Australian solution won't work in America but nothing will do any good unless there is an acknowledgement that a serious problem exists. Where is the will to even examine the problem of the shear number of incidents involving multiple shootings?

It's no good blaming the mentally ill. They aren't that way by choice. However, if there is a need to divert more resources to this health issue, then it should be considered, even if it means increasing taxes. What price innocent human lives of fellow Americans?

Why is the subject so taboo? Why shouldn't all deadly weapons be registered and some prohibited? Why shouldn't they be confiscated when it becomes apparent that someone is unstable? I am truly perplexed.
 
SeaBreeze said:
The guns don't do the rampaging, the mentally ill people do. Not trying to change anyone's opinion here, to each his own.
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This is true. I wonder when I hear folks putting down the US, even citizens of the US, but where do so many call when they need help? There have always been weapons in the world. If people choose not to have them be legal, that is up to them to vote or make those laws. I still say that even if the US made owning a gun illegal, we would still have people with guns, people that don't obey the law.

I'm sure I might have a different opinion, or ideas if I'd been raised in a different country, but I wasn't, I've been raised in the US, and I am blessed. I'm sure others feel that way about their countries as well.
 
Taking guns away from honest people will not do a thing to stop the senseless shootings. They don't use their guns unless needed to defend their self.
It is the criminals who have most of the guns here, and even if all of the law-abiding people dutifully turned in their guns, the criminals are certainly not going to give up their weapons; so we would then be even worse off then we are now. We would still have all of the crime, and no way to protect our self at all.

What you are suggesting, turning in all the guns, might have worked at one time; but that time has long since come and gone. Those cows are out of the barn, trampled the garden, and now running through the cornfield.
Shutting the barn door is NOT going to work any more.
We have to deal with the situation as it is now. And that is rich crime lords financing high powered weapons for criminals, and our government does not even try to stop that; they just want to take away the only protection that the law-abiding person has.
Stricter background checks is a good idea, then people with mental issues would not be able to just walk in to a store and buy a gun. I don't have any problems at all with regulation of gun sales. However, illegal guns seem to be easy enough for criminals to get that this wouldn't affect about anyone who seriously wanted to find a weapon.
 
Happyflowerlady said:
Taking guns away from honest people will not do a thing to stop the senseless shootings. They don't use their guns unless needed to defend their self.
It is the criminals who have most of the guns here, and even if all of the law-abiding people dutifully turned in their guns, the criminals are certainly not going to give up their weapons; so we would then be even worse off then we are now. We would still have all of the crime, and no way to protect our self at all.

What you are suggesting, turning in all the guns, might have worked at one time; but that time has long since come and gone. Those cows are out of the barn, trampled the garden, and now running through the cornfield.
Shutting the barn door is NOT going to work any more.
We have to deal with the situation as it is now. And that is rich crime lords financing high powered weapons for criminals, and our government does not even try to stop that; they just want to take away the only protection that the law-abiding person has.
Stricter background checks is a good idea, then people with mental issues would not be able to just walk in to a store and buy a gun. I don't have any problems at all with regulation of gun sales. However, illegal guns seem to be easy enough for criminals to get that this wouldn't affect about anyone who seriously wanted to find a weapon.
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Excellent post HFL. This is how I see it as well, denise
 
nwlady said:
There have always been weapons in the world. If people choose not to have them be legal, that is up to them to vote or make those laws. I still say that even if the US made owning a gun illegal, we would still have people with guns, people that don't obey the law.

I'm sure I might have a different opinion, or ideas if I'd been raised in a different country, but I wasn't, I've been raised in the US, and I am blessed. I'm sure others feel that way about their countries as well.
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Well said Nwlady! The saying 'if they outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns', is very true. Like you, I am born and raised in the USA, and blessed to be here, and don't plan to leave.

Like you, I understand that people in other countries have different opinions and points of view about these things, and I am mature enough to understand and not resort to calling them insane, or other names.

If they are happy with their country's laws, good for them, I am not to judge. If someone is not comfortable around weapons, then they surely should stay away from them, that is the sensible thing for them to do. Am I going to call them names for their beliefs, no way, what right do I have to belittle them?
 
My thoughts in blue.

Happyflowerlady said:
Taking guns away from honest people will not do a thing to stop the senseless shootings. They don't use their guns unless needed to defend their self.

Then don't take them away from honest citizens but if registration involved a police check you might discover that some of the "honest people" have a hidden history of violence or serious mental health issues. Anyone not prepared to undergo a police check, or who refuses to register, is probably hiding something and ought not be allowed to keep firearms.

It is the criminals who have most of the guns here, and even if all of the law-abiding people dutifully turned in their guns, the criminals are certainly not going to give up their weapons; so we would then be even worse off then we are now. We would still have all of the crime, and no way to protect our self at all.

Firstly, I doubt that the number of criminals is bigger than the number of law-abiding people, but if it is, there is an issue to be addressed. Why so many? Second, if as I suspect, the criminals are less in number than law-abiding people, and if the criminals have most of the guns, then they must have huge arsenals somewhere. Why not encourage confiscation of arsenals? How many guns are needed for self defence?

What you are suggesting, turning in all the guns, might have worked at one time; but that time has long since come and gone. Those cows are out of the barn, trampled the garden, and now running through the cornfield.
Shutting the barn door is NOT going to work any more.

No-one is suggesting turning in all of the guns. Just the ones designed for killing a lot of people in rapid succession.

We have to deal with the situation as it is now. And that is rich crime lords financing high powered weapons for criminals, and our government does not even try to stop that; they just want to take away the only protection that the law-abiding person has.
Stricter background checks is a good idea, then people with mental issues would not be able to just walk in to a store and buy a gun. I don't have any problems at all with regulation of gun sales. However, illegal guns seem to be easy enough for criminals to get that this wouldn't affect about anyone who seriously wanted to find a weapon.

Very few mass killings are done by everyday criminals. The latest shooting was not by a criminal but a returned soldier, Sandy Hook was not by a criminal but by a disturbed boy. This is the situation now that has to be addressed. And who says the problem can't be addressed on multiple fronts. That's why serious consideration of the problem at state and national level is needed. Government and law enforcement need to act together and citizens need to get behind them in their efforts.
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SeaBreeze said:
Well said Nwlady! The saying 'if they outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns', is very true. Like you, I am born and raised in the USA, and blessed to be here, and don't plan to leave.

Like you, I understand that people in other countries have different opinions and points of view about these things, and I am mature enough to understand and not resort to calling them insane, or other names.

If they are happy with their country's laws, good for them, I am not to judge. If someone is not comfortable around weapons, then they surely should stay away from them, that is the sensible thing for them to do. Am I going to call them names for their beliefs, no way, what right do I have to belittle them?
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Yeah, what's up with that, putting down America, when we seem to be one of the leaders in helping other countries? I mean don't a lot of countries call on us for help? It's like America sucks but let's use them for what we can get out of them? America is made up of people from all Nations, isn't that pretty much true? Maybe that is what makes us as strong as we are. Are other countries jealous? Heck if I know. I'm damn sure that America has done a lot for others though. I mean, maybe I should go spend some time just researching how many times America has gone in to help other countries. Maybe we shouldn't, I don't like the fact we've lost so many lives helping others. I know too, we are not the only country that helps others, not saying that.

I guess I'm really saying who can cast the first stone?? Are you so perfect you can look down on the US? I guess I better get into studying other countries and how they are operating.
 
Ok, here ya go:

Actually, if the Australian Bureau of Criminology can be believed, Americans would be insane to concern themselves with what non-Americans think about American gun rights.
In 2002 — five years after enacting its gun ban — the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent), says the D.C. Examiner.
Even Australia’s Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:
In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault — Australia’s equivalent term for rape — increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia’s violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
Moreover, Australia and the United States — where no gun-ban exists — both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:


Here's the whole link if you care to read. I don't say everything on the web is true, but if it's there, you might try and check out whether it's true or not:
http://www.captainsjournal.com/2012...duce-violent-crime-ask-the-aussies-and-brits/



 

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