Active shooter at Fort Hood Texas

If you've been shot at, and didn't file a police report you are part of the problem and not the solution'

No deaths in the US have occurred with automatic weapons, they are semi-automatic-- opinion, untempered by fact is ignorance

Giving up your rights for a belief does not allow or empower anyone to take away mine. It only takes away YOUR right to vote on the issue.

If the mentally ill who shot those people, while on those drugs, were not on those drugs, think of how many people they may have killed

Drugs don't kill people, people kill people.


internetting with many shooters from Australia does not paint the same picture, as yours Dame.
 

Define shooter, rt3.

If they are also bikies then they probably have a vested interest because they are currently the main conduit for illegal firearms.

If they are sporting shooters, I don't see what they have to complain about. They can own guns legally provided they don't fall into any of the categories that would disqualify them for registration.
 
re:Don't you have enough to deal with in your own country? I don't get why you are so busy trying to fix ours?? I think if everyone would take care of their own backyard first, then branch out and try to help others. I think the same for America. We need to work on our own issues before we go out trying to fix others.

EXCELLENT!!!! As a long time American citizen I couldnt agree with you more.
 

what you don't see in their complaints, is probably something you will have to take up with them. I asked them about the bikies and they said it was pretty much like it was in the US, the people who have taken the non-defense route are the targets, and those that can defend themselves, by whatever means are not bothered. Mostly the writers (shooters) I talk there all say the same thing "Don't let what happened in Australia happen in the USA" and that's what I'm going with. I asked them if they had Yahoots, in a joking manner, defined by people who go on destructive rampages, such have been described in this forum in other posts, and the reply was the same as here, they don't do it in the areas-- if the citizens are armed. Remember that when you pass gun control laws, you make any one having a gun an outlaw, regardless of how unstanding that citizen maybe in other areas. This was seen when the Soviet Union was formed. Nothing was said about all the people who had AK 47's stashed away in their attics.
We must remember that "Rights" are what create humanities, civilizations, and countries. "Their rights" are guaranteed by the Constitution and opposition to them is not the same is not liking the fact that a stop sign isn't on your favorite corner.

On an overview, the Aussie thing seems really hypocritical to me. Two of the most widely used gunpowders for reloading are Varget, Clays, (we are talkin ship loads) which are imported to the US and made in Aussieland. Here you have a country willing to make money of the gun trade but are two faced with such Draconian gun laws. But then if I used that type of logic, I would be of the same crowd that cannot understand that guns don't kill, people kill people

There won't really be much of a division, because the people who want gun control want the government machine to do, using the supposed mass vote as their authorization, they really don't have what it takes to actually do it. The framers of the Constitution knew this and is why the amendments were added.
 
It's 2.40 am over here so please forgive me for not answering you in depth but this sentence leapt off the page at me

I asked them if they had Yahoots, in a joking manner, defined by people who go on destructive rampages, such have been described in this forum in other posts, and the reply was the same as here, they don't do it in the areas-- if the citizens are armed
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This makes no sense to me. The only destructive rampages I can think of are the intermittent drive by shootings that go on in Sydney and always the "victims" refuse to co-operate with the police but are "known to the police". It's gang warfare and both sides are usually armed. They don't shoot other civilians except by accident.

We haven't had a gun massacre since 1996 when we had the worst one day lethal rampage in our history. After that the nation was in the mood for national action. It took a conservative leader, John Howard, to bring about the change.

And this sentence

Remember that when you pass gun control laws, you make any one having a gun an outlaw, regardless of how upstanding that citizen maybe in other areas
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Rubbish. You left out one important word.

Remember that when you pass gun control laws, you make any one having an illegal gun an outlaw, regardless of how upstanding that citizen maybe in other areas
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How many times do I need to say that guns are not banned over here but you can't have open slather. We have rules.
 
only drive bys, wish it were that simple here, on a per capita basis your country has had more shootings

guns of themselves cannot be illegal, they are inanimate, its the possession or non possession that is the control, currently 50,000 gun owners in the US in Conn. have not registered their ARs making them outlaws. ,, over 500,000 ar magazines that were supposed to be registered in Colo. are not on the book, making these other wise citizens. outlaws.

I know exactly what kind of gun control Australia has, I internet with the people who have and use them there. It seems you are the confused one.
 
Back to origin of the thread, 'he' was in Iraq for 4 months & did not see service, as in fighting.Obviously something was very wrong in his mind, failing that, life can be cheap to some.
 
Like so many other times when we have one of these horrendous tragedies, it appears that the government was also staging a drill around the same time and place.
Actors were recruited via Craigslist, and supposed to be interviewed in late March for the training exercise of a mass casualty event at Ft. Hood.

Here is what the advertisement said :
Role Players for Military mock simulated disaster (Ft Hood)


Government contractor is seeking individuals to act as role players to participate in a ” mass casualty exercise ” on the FT Hood military installation.


Role players will participate in an exercise that will replicate civilians in the area that have been injured during a disaster that is used in the scenario. Role players will be medically treated during this exercise at numerous locations on Ft Hood.


The objective of this exercise is to train and assess medical units with regards to civilians that have been injured during a disaster.
 
Well that is totally weird:( You mean this guy might have known about that and took the opportunity to "blend in" or something? Thanks for sharing the HFL. Our cable, guy has just arrived so he'll have us off and online, so catch up with you later;) denise
 
HappyFlowerLady, is this the drill you are referring to?

Is Camp Lejeune in the same area as Fort Hood?

Camp Lejeune Conducts Shooter Drill Day After Ft. Hood Shooting Updated: Thu 6:36 PM, Apr 03, 2014









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The day after a soldier killed three people and wounded 16 others at Fort Hood, Camp Lejeune is testing their own base response.
The Marine Corps base conducted an active shooter drill during a staged change of command ceremony at Hospital Point. The drill was part of a three day exercise to evaluate urgent response in a crisis.

Marines say the tragedy at Fort Hood only re-enforces the need for such drills at Lejeune. Thursday's event was scheduled months ago.

"Having this active shooter exercise was entirely coincidental, but it underscores the seriousness that we take this training," said Nat Fahy, Public Affairs Director at Camp Lejeune. "It has put into very stark reality why we need this training, why we need to continually refine and perfect our emergency response procedures."

The exercises are done yearly, and also include hostage negotiation scenarios that are designed to push first responders, law enforcement and base officials to the limit.
 
Killeen Daily Hearld
May 6, 2013

Emergency responders from Fort Hood partnered with police, firefighters and emergency medical services from neighboring cities Wednesday for a large-scale Force Protection Exercise.

The annual exercise, which took place over a two- day period, tasked the participating entities with responding to a large-scale simulated emergency. This year’s exercise included participation by police, firefighters and EMS workers from Fort Hood, Killeen, Harker Heights, Copperas Cove and Temple.
“These exercises are very important,” said Billy Rhoads, Fort Hood’s fire chief. “They allow us to prepare to respond to real-world incidents.”
http://kdhnews.com/news/fort-hood-a...cle_4ba45f96-bd82-11e2-bdf2-001a4bcf6878.html
 
regrettably these types of solutions end up in the same type of swat team type thinking that infests the civilian police tactics. without solving the mental illness part, first responders will always be late.
 
you make the assumption everybody sees something in an ordinary picture, please point out what upsets you, don't assume we can read your mind. Oh wait I get the mail box is a big shotgun shell -- how clever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Oh I get it the guns took on hands, and legs and the shooters just drove the guns to the fort so the guns so the could do their stuff


Those evil guns.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Fern said:
Back to origin of the thread, 'he' was in Iraq for 4 months & did not see service, as in fighting.Obviously something was very wrong in his mind, failing that, life can be cheap to some.
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Even though he was only in Iraq for the 4 month tour; this soldier had been in the military for almost 14 years, and had served in overseas places like Sinai; so it was entirely possible that he had been in some very stressful situations causing the PTSD.
According to reports, there was nothing in his past to indicate this type of behavior, and his record from both the National Guard, and the Army, showed an excellent soldier.
If he did have the head injury that is reported, as well as being recently prescribed strong mind-altering drugs; I think this could have caused him to have just snapped, as it seems to be what happened in this case.

http://www.statesman.com/news/news/crime-law/lopez-remembered-as-quiet-boy-from-good-family/nfRPj/
 
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Judi.D said:
How many of you have actually been shot at?
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Yes and I shot back. Your neighbor is one big reason why I don't own a gun. I will use it. Perhaps, not in a drunken stupor but certainly when another means would be better applied. Once that bullet flies there's no taking it back and in peacetime that's a tragedy waiting to happen.
 
Fern said:
Back to origin of the thread, 'he' was in Iraq for 4 months & did not see service, as in fighting.Obviously something was very wrong in his mind, failing that, life can be cheap to some.
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Two seconds in the war zone can be enough to affect anyone drastically. It does seem now with more info coming that something escalated out of control with some other soldiers. I wouldn't discount the stress of Iraq but think there were probably other things going on that drove him to explode.
 
Happyflowerlady said:
Even though he was only in Iraq for the 4 month tour; this soldier had been in the military for almost 14 years, and had served in overseas places like Sinai; so it was entirely possible that he had been in some very stressful situations causing the PTSD.
According to reports, there was nothing in his past to indicate this type of behavior, and his record from both the National Guard, and the Army, showed an excellent soldier.
If he did have the head injury that is reported, as well as being recently prescribed strong mind-altering drugs; I think this could have caused him to have just snapped, as it seems to be what happened in this case.
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That's right! I'd forgotten about the meds he was on. All that crap has mouseprint warning about dangerous side effects. Supposed to "help" but often just make things worse. During Vietnam, I said, "I can't do this anymore," so they gave me little yellow pills that made me not care about a damned thing. Great . . . just great.
 
so far we have established that its not a perfect world

gun laws do not affect crime rate, only enforcement of existing laws will effect that

if somewhat gets hit with a truck and dies, does it matter what brand it is?
 
That Guy said:
Two seconds in the war zone can be enough to affect anyone drastically. It does seem now with more info coming that something escalated out of control with some other soldiers. I wouldn't discount the stress of Iraq but think there were probably other things going on that drove him to explode.
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From what I understand this guy was never in the war zone.
 

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