Active shooter at Fort Hood Texas

That's right! I'd forgotten about the meds he was on. All that crap has mouseprint warning about dangerous side effects. Supposed to "help" but often just make things worse. During Vietnam, I said, "I can't do this anymore," so they gave me little yellow pills that made me not care about a damned thing. Great . . . just great.

Good point That Guy, there's no denying the dangerous side-effects of the anti-psychotic/anti-depressant drugs that they pass out like M&Ms now.

It used to be that if someone was depressed, they felt sad, worst case scenario they took their own life with suicide. Now...they're put on this prescription mind-altering medication that hasn't even been fully studied and evaluated. They don't have time for safety studies, they want it on the market for profits. Doctors are sometimes given perks to push the scripts on these things.

So, instead of feeling sad and maybe taking your life, now the actual side effects of prescription anti-depressants is suicidal and homicidal thoughts and actions....yeah, much much better now. :rolleyes:

I heard a story of an animal loving man who owned a few animals on a small farm. He was put on one of these psychiatric drugs, and had real thoughts of torturing his farm animals and killing them for no reason. Luckily he didn't act on his thoughts, discontinued the meds, and shared his experience for others to learn from.

http://www.breggin.com/
 

SB i don't agree with that statement, i have been on anti depressants for a few years and i don't have suicidal or homicidal, i feel that is just a cop out to cover up for what the person really is, i also know of a lot of people who take them as well with no effect, i feel people need to take responsibilty for their actions and stop using tablets as the scape goat
 
I don't know about other places, but in the last few years, I keep seeing commercials that praise a certain drug, and at the tail end they warn of serious side effects. After a while we see other commercials that tell you if you have taking so and so drugs call so and so to help you sue for damages. That seems to have become the pharmaceuticals study and evaluation methods now. They make so much money off the promotional drug that they can well afford a few suits, especially since they have saved the cost of the research. :dejection:
 

Jilliroo, I too have been on anti-depressants most of my life. They do help me, but I guess I use to let other's opinions shame me into quitting. It is OK for awhile, and then I end up getting sick. The doctor will address the illness, but they always end up giving me a prescription for another anti-depressant. They always help me. I have learned to ignore those that do want to understand. :triumphant:
 
SB i don't agree with that statement, i have been on anti depressants for a few years and i don't have suicidal or homicidal, i feel that is just a cop out to cover up for what the person really is, i also know of a lot of people who take them as well with no effect, i feel people need to take responsibilty for their actions and stop using tablets as the scape goat
I agree that not everyone who is on a prescription drug is going to go off and start shooting people. However, in this particular case; this soldier had been in the military for almost 15 years, and with an excellent record, and no evidence of mental instability, even though he had been serving overseas during part of that time, probably had had the PTSD at least since Iraq in 2011, and there was NO issues at all until they recently put him on the mind-altering medication.
Therefore, it seems reasonable to assume that this was part of his inability to think rationally when things suddenly started falling apart for him.
As Ina was pointing out, some people do fine with a certain drug; and others end up suing the drug company for serious side-effects from the same drug.
 
Jilly, I agree that people should be responsible for their actions, and while anti-depressants don't effect everyone in the same way, some people can be drawn to certain negative behaviors. I forgot to add the link to my post, worth a looksee...http://www.breggin.com/

Ina, I worked with a guy who was on anti-depressants for many years, he served in Vietnam, but also was sexually abused as a young child. He confided in me about how he felt about his medical treatment.

His mood swings on a daily basis were out of control, he admitted that although the drugs made him feel very carefree at times, he was frustrated because they weren't doing anything for his depression. His doses were constantly being increased, until they just bounced him from drug to drug, hoping for something that would work well.

My heart went out to him, because he was so miserable and the precriptions like Prozac, Wellbutrin, etc. were of no help to him, regardless of the ever-changing dosages.
 
Yes Sea, I have seen this too. I sometimes wonder if the medical profession doesn't goes thru fads. Sometimes it's give everyone this drug, or that drug, it's the cure all answer for the times. Money must be made. NOT!!!
 
I think the problem is these drugs don't really 'cure' anything, just mask the inner thoughts and feelings that a person is having. Sometimes, I guess, this can be beneficial to a degree, but it's like holding in anger without a safe release, it will build up inside and burst suddenly without warning or control.
 
Sea, for me its the opposite. Michael says that when I drop the anti-depressants it's like I take on the guilt of the world. When I do take them I don't get high or down. For me it is like taking aspirin, the pain eases and even stops most of the time. Of course they don't fix everything, like loosing someone, or loneliness. When the doctor asked me how I felt, and I said I couldn't tell I was taking anything, she said that was a good thing, we had the right drug and dosage. It work to the good for me, but yes I too think that doctors are giving them out recklessly.
 
I feel the returned soldiers need counselling as they have been to hell and back,no human being should have to see what they have seen and had to do, it affects them badly, counselling does help to a certain degree to allow them to settle into family life again, but it's up to the family to understand what is happening with their loved one and show some patience
 
Sometimes, it needs more than patience, or even counseling, or medication can do. What the war does can be so deeply in the person that it can't be fixed, in some cases.

I was married to a Viet Nam vet, and he had flashbacks where he totally blacked out, and for that time, he would think that he was back in the war.
He had terrible nightmares that were real to him.
One night, he was talking in vietnamese in his nightmare, and thought I was the enemy. He grabbed me by the hair, and pulled my head back, exposing my neck, hissing that he was going to kill me. If he had had a knife under his pillow, he would have cut my throat and not known it until he woke up the next morning.
Thankfully, he didn't have a knife, and I was able to talk to him, reassuring him that he was in bed, I was his wife, everything was safe. Slowly, I inched towards the light at the side of the bed, and explained that i was going to turn on the light so that he could see he was home , safe in bed.
Even after I turned on the light, it took him almost a half hour to come fully aware of where he was.
Often, he would have no memory of these blackout spells. None of the medications, or the counseling seemed to help him with it.
It is terrible that so many of our brave soldiers have to live with this kind of thing, that can cause them to go over the edge like this one at Ft. Hood did.
 
Yes, HFL, that is exactly what happens to many, many people after such horrible experiences. I had recurring nightmares and seeing the first boat people scared me as I thought I was hallucinating. I think a lot of the adjusting back to the world, although one never really comes back, depends on the individual and their specific mindset before, during and after. Recently, at work, passed a pile of large brown bags that are filled with priority documents to be shredded and for a split second it looked like a pile of bodies. All these years and it never goes away.
 
6% of americans have a serious mental illness of one form or another, that's over 5 million. Do we round them all up and put them into mental hospitals 24/7?
the vast majority of these never kill anybody. Their medical records turned over to some government agency?
Australia had a freely available rat poison containing thallium, back in the '50's. its colourless, odourless and deadly. 100 people were murdered with it in one year.
It was banned. Some things are just too damn dangerous to be let loose willy nilly in the community.
 
Then there are drugs like this that are given to our troops, and affect them years later...

In late July, 2013, the FDA issued a powerful "black box" safety warning for a drug which has been taken by hundreds of thousands of troops to prevent malaria. The drug is called mefloquine, and it was previously sold in the U.S. by F. Hoffman-La Roche under the trade name Lariam. Since being developed by the U.S. military over four decades ago, mefloquine has been widely used by troops on deployments in Africa, Iraq and Afghanistan.

We now recognize, decades too late, that mefloquine is neurotoxic and can cause lasting injury to the brainstem and emotional centers in the limbic system. As a result of its toxic effects, the drug is quickly becoming the "Agent Orange" of this generation, linked to a growing list of lasting neurological and psychiatric problems including suicide.

The public had its first glimpse of the mefloquine suicide problem over a decade ago in 2002, when a cluster of murder-suicides occurred among Ft. Bragg soldiers returning home from deployment. All three soldiers had been taking mefloquine, yet an official Army investigation later concluded mefloquine was "unlikely to be the cause of this clustering." The Army Surgeon General even testified to Congress there was "absolutely no statistical correlation between Lariam use and those murder suicides."

The next year, in 2003, a spike in suicides in the early months of the Iraq war was linked in media reports to widespread use of mefloquine; in response, the U.S. Army promised a study "to dispel Lariam suicide myths." Yet when mefloquine use was halted in Iraq in 2004, the active duty Army suicide rate fell precipitously.

Earlier this year, I analyzed data from an investigation of suicides in the Irish military conducted by the Irish network RTÉ. In my analysis, troops prescribed mefloquine had a 3 to 5 fold increase in their risk of suicide in the years following deployment, as compared to similar troops deployed but not prescribed mefloquine. The conclusions from this analysis seemed clear: mefloquine was a strong risk factor for suicide.

Drug regulators seemed to agree: soon after broadcast, Roche updated the Irish Lariam product information, warning the drug could cause suicide, suicidal thoughts and self-endangering behavior. Most importantly, Roche eliminated previous language that claimed that "no relationship to drug administration has been confirmed."

Yet these observations only confirm what should have been apparent all along. Mental illness, including depression, anxiety, and psychosis, are known to be strong risk factors for suicide. And since 1989, when mefloquine was first marketed in the U.S., the product label has clearly warned that the drug could cause symptoms of mental illness, including anxiety and depression, and hallucinations and other psychotic manifestations. Since mefloquine increases the risk of mental illness, and mental illness increases the risk of suicide, it follows logically that mefloquine increases the risk of suicide.

We now recognize that mefloquine can even occasionally cause a true dissociative psychosis. In a grip of such a terrifying psychosis, victims have jumped from buildings, or shot or stabbed themselves in grisly ways reminiscent of scenes from M. Night Shyamalan's film The Happening.Those who have survived mefloquine's psychotic effects describe experiencing morbid fascination with death, eerie dreamlike out-of-body states, and often uncontrollable compulsions and impulsivity towards acts of violence and self-harm.

As frightening as its intoxicating effects can be, mefloquine's dangers may not go away even when the drug is discontinued. Today's mefloquine product information warns of "serious, long-lasting mental illness" and psychiatric symptoms that can "continue for months or years after mefloquine has been stopped." Unfortunately, until recently, prominent authorities denied this was even possible. Clear the drug from your system, they insisted, and behavior would return to normal.

As a result, troops home from a mefloquine deployment, suffering from persistent dizziness or memory problems, insomnia, vivid nightmares, irritability and other changes in mood and personality caused by the drug have struggled to make sense of their lasting symptoms. Some of these veterans have even been diagnosed with PTSD or TBI.

But some veterans, including those without traumatic exposures or who had never suffered a concussion, in whom these lasting symptoms couldn't be easily explained, were accused of malingering or of having a "personality disorder". In some cases, these troops were discharged without medical benefits and left to fend for themselves. It should not be surprising to learn that some of these mefloquine veterans, mentally injured, confused, and cast out by the military that unwittingly poisoned them, would later take their own lives in desperation.

In 2004, the military was strongly encouraged to conduct careful studies to evaluate the role of mefloquine in suicide, but these studies were never done. In light of the FDA's black box warning, fulfilling this long overdue recommendation should now be a priority.

Yet conducting such studies shouldn't be necessary for today's military leadership to acknowledge what follows logically from today's science: Mefloquine, a neurotoxic drug that can cause permanent brain injury, is contributing to our unprecedented epidemic of mental illness and suicide. We must do more to reach out to veterans suffering in silence from the drug's toxic effects, and ensure that those at risk of suicide understand how the drug has affected their mental health. As importantly, mefloquine veterans need to have affirmed by the military what they have suspected all along: that they are not crazy, and that it really is the drug that is the cause of their symptoms.

We owe it this generation of veterans to recognize the neurological and psychiatric effects of mefloquine neurotoxicity alongside PTSD and TBI for what they are: the third signature injury of modern war.

SOURCE: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-rem...b_3989034.html
 
Guns don't kill people but America has a gun problem. With guns in churches, in colleges, in schools, anywhere people want to take them, then we have a problem. It seems to me we have lost our senses.
 
Agreed, it is the easy accessibility of guns.

I have to disagree with both of you. Guns have always been easily accessible in the United States. Much more so in the past. There was a time when you could buy a gun by mail order or in just about any store, no age limit or background check. And in those days we didn't mass shootings and such.

We do have a serious problem with crime and especially these mass murders in this country, but making more laws will not solve the problem. In case you didn't notice, murder is already against the law.
 
One of the reports I read said this soldier had seen a counselor the month before. Obviously in hindsight he should have been being monitored more often. However, money, time and adequate personnel to help them is not available. So the easiest thing to do is to prescribe medication. We have spent millions of dollars in this country to bail out companies in danger of bankruptcy, but continue to cut funding to help our soldiers returning with serious problems. This won't change until we rethink our priorities. It is a complex problem and requires complex solutions.
 
some people will kill their artificial flowers by not watering them.

blaming inanimate objects puts them in the 6% --- America has an immigration problem, a poverty problem, an education problem, etc.

crime is at its lowest rate in years sense the advent of concealed carry


the countries (and cities in the US) with the strongest gun laws have the highest crime rate, Africa, Syria please do some research.
 
just asking the people here who think that guns are easy to get. Have you ever filled out a form 4733 and bought a gun? If not, then how can you even possibly state an informed opinion. If you have filled one out then you would know that the Fed. government covers almost every angle so the wrong people (what ever that is) dont purchase a firearm. Did you know Gabby's husband, the anit gun senator lady from Arizona who got shot, was denied a gun purchase? He was trying to buy it for the publicity to show how easy guns were to get. He has a mental problem and was denied the purchase. Did you know Sen. Chen ANTI gun California Democrat has been indicted by the FBI for gun trafficking to the mafia.
Do you know what the statistics are of people who have been arrested for gun violations but NOT PROSECUTED. Did you know the anit gun radio host Malloy actually threatened an NRA member with his life and told him he would kill him? Did you know that over 900 Sheriffs in the US have signed a petition and sent to OBAMA stating they will not enforce any laws against the Constitution, will not enforce the NY SAFE act, and will not enforce the Colorado magazine ban. Did you know that Missouri, Idaho, Alaska, Wyoming, Utah, Montana, passed state laws that will arrest any Federal officer trying to enforce these bans. Did you know the Federal(Obama) government and Bloomberg are trying to get legislation thru state legislation that allow Federal officers the same authority as County Sheriffs, thus negating the need for the Feds. to go through the local authorities thus removing any say you and I have at what goes on at the local levels?
 
Huffington Post=CNN (chicken noodle news)

the people that have malaria and have been helped by mefloquine outnumber the side effects by 10000 to 1
 
some people will kill their artificial flowers by not watering them.

blaming inanimate objects puts them in the 6% --- America has an immigration problem, a poverty problem, an education problem, etc.

crime is at its lowest rate in years sense the advent of concealed carry


the countries (and cities in the US) with the strongest gun laws have the highest crime rate, Africa, Syria please do some research.

I don't know what stats to believe anymore, but one thing that made sense to me that I read, while attending a class here, was that when a criminal has to wonder whether or not a prospective victim is armed, they are less likely to rob/attack. So if guns are illegal for the average "Joe/Jane" to own, then to me, they are like sitting ducks. I believe anyone wanting to own a gun needs to have something showing they have a clean background, non-criminal record, and also maybe a letter from their "shrink" (I know not everyone has a "shrink"). Also, lessons in how to use it, a class, like CPR.

I also heard, and sure I'll get some arguments, but one of the first things Hitler did was the Nazi Firearm Law, which disarmed the German Jewish folk. And, even I know the first thing someone does that wants to have control over another person, is to disarm them.

I also read something this a.m. that made me have a bit of question on these stats we read on crime. What type of crimes are in the stats? denise
 
this thread refers a lot to America having problems, but I think if we take an honest look around, the biggest problem is a "world" problem, and that is a lack of humanity. But by the same token, we have a lot of humanity as well;) I believed when I was growing up, that good always overcame evil. It doesn't seem like it does, in the small picture, but maybe in the "big" picture it does, I hope.
 
Guns have always been easily accessible in the United States. Much more so in the past. There was a time when you could buy a gun by mail order or in just about any store, no age limit or background check. .

One problem with that statement,that was then this is now.
Major changes need to be upgraded when purchasing any weapons with serial numbers.
Sure there are regulations in place but those have no enforcement on the life of a handgun or any weapon once it leave the original purchaser.
You can trace a vehicle back to its original owner until that vehicle ends up in a scrap yard years later and crushed flat.

Nowaday to get people to turn in their old,used weapons we have to give them a $10 off Walmart coupon.
 


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