Against the vaccine? What about polio?

Like you, I think we all have a right to make our own medical decisions, but I also accept that if someone is going to chose to opt out in a case like the covid vaccines, they have no choice but to accept that there will be restrictions on their activities as a result. I think there are a few folks here who resent those restrictions and it's coming out as being dismissive of those of us who decided to follow the recommendations.
Why would there be restrictions? Under the bill of rights, the medical laws, the constitution, I don't have to do anything if I don't want to, and I can not be discriminated against for it. I am protected for any and all medical choices.
The very fact we were harassed and discriminated against was illegal. And unforgivable. As Canadian and other courts have proved. Thankfully we were not in Canada, but our kids were. It was disgusting.

You can't have it both ways. Either we are free to make our decisions, or we are serfs that must obey. If it's my body my choice, it's my body my choice!
 

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya addresses the important trade-offs involved in COVID vaccine recommendations, particularly their varying impacts on children and older adults. He explains that the benefits for children are minimal due to their low risk of severe illness, while potential side effects pose greater concerns. Dr. Bhattacharya also discusses concerns around childhood vaccines and autism, emphasizing the importance of experimental ethics and design.

 
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My recently divorced youngest son was a covid denier. Right now he is hospital recovering from an 8 hour surgery on his spine.

We live 2000 miles from where he lives. One of his sons that lives close to him took him to the hospital. & waited until the test were done

Once admitted the doctors diagnosed him as having sepsis of the spine due to covid. He was such bad shape & completely out of it due to the meds to sedate him. The doctor sat down with his son & gave him two options..
1. Pull the plug & let him die
2. Perform surgery with no guarantees of survival & most likely be paralyzed for the rest of his life.

The choice was in the 1st. paragraph, surgery.

Alive & on a ventilator unable to speak it will be a few more days until the outcome will be known. Once we know then we will fly back east to visit.

I'm not posting to argue to be for or against taking preventive action. That choice is up to each person. This is only to point out that my son's choice was his to make.
 
@knight…I hope for a full and speedy recovery for your family. I also just learned of a somewhat related case. A friend had gotten covid two years ago…developed spasms of her diaphram as a rare symptom. She recovered after being given paxolid. Then about a month or so ago was exposed to covid…got a vaccine…and again developed the spasms of the diaphram. She was prescribed medications to help. Several days later she was hospitalized with sepsis, respiratory failure and pneumonia. She spent 7 days in the ICU….is now home but on oxygen. Sort of a chicken or the egg problem
 
Or there is nuance and degree and context - like with most things.
There is no degree of freedom. Or a degree of medical autonomy. Either you have it or you don't.

My father, when he got ill and at the end, he chose to sign a DNR. He had the ultimate medical freedom to sign a do not resuscitate order-effectively giving him the power to choose between life and death, but the choice to take a experimental therapy shot that really only affects the 1 percent, shouldn't be?
In what world does that sound right?
 
I noticed someone posted about vaccine dangers, and in particular childhood vaccines. There is a truckload of studies now out that is outright damming about them. There is no one in this world after reading these posts/studies that can say there were uninformed about childhood shots.
If they continue to administer childhood vaccines, there are guilty of abuse of children.

Dr Paul Thomas studies;
One of the most striking studies was conducted by Dr. Paul Thomas in 2020. Thomas examined the health outcomes of 561 unvaccinated children, finding zero cases of autism among them. In contrast, among 894 children who followed the CDC-recommended vaccination schedule, 15 cases of autism were documented. With a p-value of 0.0008, the results were statistically significant, revealing an extraordinary disparity between the two groups. The odds ratio (OR) was calculated as infinity, with a 95% confidence interval suggesting a high likelihood that the vaccinated group faced significantly higher risks of autism. The vaccinated children were also more likely to struggle with a host of other chronic health issues, including asthma, developmental delays, reoccurring ear infections, chronic sinusitis, etc.

Although the study was temporarily retracted after critics argued that increased autism rates could be attributed to more frequent doctor visits in the vaccinated group, this claim was later disproved by further research from Lyons-Weiler and Blaylock.

Interestingly, Thomas's pioneering research is now being replicated by pediatricians across the country. Liz Mumper reduced the incidence of autism in her practice six-fold by simply limiting the number of vaccines given to children.

In 2007, the Generation Rescue (GR) study, which looked at the health outcomes of vaccinated versus unvaccinated children, also found that vaccinated children fared worse in every category tested. Despite being a small study funded with minimal resources, the results raised serious concerns about the safety of vaccines, prompting the organization to question why similar studies have not been conducted on a larger scale by institutions like the CDC.

GR’s study, which was conducted by a third-party survey firm to ensure unbiased results, found significant differences between vaccinated and unvaccinated children, including higher rates of autism, allergies, and other chronic health issues in the vaccinated group.

"We surveyed over 9,000 boys in California and Oregon and found that vaccinated boys had a 155% greater chance of having a neurological disorder like ADHD or autism than unvaccinated boys" the study authors reported in June 2007. The study’s findings, however, have never been replicated by government agencies, and critics argue that the lack of follow-up studies on the issue is suspicious.

Hooker's and Mawson's research
Another key study, led by Dr. Brian Hooker and Neil Miller in 2021, found a 5.03 times higher odds ratio for autism in vaccinated children compared to their unvaccinated peers. Hooker’s research reignited concerns over the safety of vaccines, particularly given the increasing rates of autism diagnoses in recent decades. Hooker’s study, alongside another by Dr. Tony Mawson in 2017, also found an increased risk of autism among vaccinated children, with Mawson's study reporting a 4.2 odds ratio for autism in vaccinated children. Mawson's latest dataset (not yet published) includes a much larger dataset (50,000 children) and shows the same odds ratios for chronic diseases in the vaccinated children.

Perhaps the most alarming aspect of these studies is that they seem to challenge data from larger institutions like the CDC, which continue to affirm the safety of vaccines. Hooker’s findings in particular led to his access being revoked by the CDC, further fueling suspicions about transparency and data manipulation within government agencies.

The Garner control group study​

In 2022, Dr. Paul Garner and colleagues published a groundbreaking study that revealed an astonishing 82 times higher odds ratio for autism in vaccinated children compared to unvaccinated children. This study, which involved a large control group, found that among children who had zero exposure to vaccines, the rate of autism was effectively zero. Garner's team conducted a comprehensive analysis using data from 10,000 children, finding a statistically significant association between vaccinations and autism, with a confidence interval ranging from 5.12 to 1315.

The findings of Garner's study were particularly noteworthy because they aligned with those of the Control Group study, a long-running research initiative focused on unvaccinated children. Researchers noted that the Control Group’s data showed not only lower autism rates but also better health outcomes across a range of conditions.

Together, these studies point to the simple truth -- vaccines do have a major role in the autism epidemic. And, vax freedom leads to fewer health issues in children, including autism.

Then the Flu vaccine;
Findings from three important Cochrane reviews on the effectiveness of the influenza vaccination aren’t consistent with the advice we’re been given.

Cochrane reviews are independent systematic reviews, which are comprehensive analyses of most of the literature relevant to a research topic. Cochrane reviews summarise the results in a multitude of studies, and are regularly updated to absorb new research.

These three Cochrane reviews have been recently updated, as well as stabilised, which is what happens when it looks as if it seems unlikely new research would be published that would change the conclusions.

What the reviews found​

The first Cochrane review looked at the effects of the influenza vaccine in healthy adults from 25 studies conducted over single influenza seasons in North America, South America, and Europe between 1969 and 2009. It found the vaccine reduced the chance of getting laboratory confirmed influenza from 23 cases out of 1,000 to 9 cases out of 1,000.

While this seems to be a reduction of more than 50%, that seems less optimistic expressed in absolute terms.

The infection rate in adults drops from 2% per year to 1%. You could say that’s halved, but it effectively only drops by 1%. So this means that out of every 100 healthy adults vaccinated, 99 get no benefit against laboratory confirmed influenza.

The second Cochrane review – which looked at trials in children over single influenza seasons in the US, Western Europe, Russia, and Bangladesh between 1984 and 2013 – found similar results.

The third Cochrane review looked at vaccines for the elderly in nursing homes. It found much less good evidence, with only one randomised trial – considered the gold standard in clinical trials as it establishes causation rather than correlation.

While observational studies (that draw inferences from a population to establish associations) have been done to show benefits of the vaccines, bias means we cannot rely on their results.

There are also potential harms from influenza vaccines noted in the reviews. They range from serious (a neurological disease called Guillain Barre) through to moderate (fevers, in children especially – some of which will cause febrile convulsions), and trivial (a sore arm for a couple of days).

The major issue with any and all vaccines, is not the attenuated ingredient that is designed to attribute protection, but the excipients that are the dangerous component. Toxic levels of mercury, aluminum, lead, formaldehyde, various other excipients that have no business being in a medical intervention treatment/prevention. These dangerous ingredients make their way easily through the blood brain barrier and cause a host of illness that are of greater danger than what the medical treatment/intervention procedure is trying to do.
 
@Tazx ….I think the true standard should not be every person vaccinated for every thing. But I also think that an anti vax approach is dangerous. I knew three people who had polio. I have not seen any polio for years.
Yes I agree. But as evidence shows, most if not all are dangerous and serve no purpose. The flu shot is a great example. Only 1 in 100 it helps? Seems a very expensive thing to do for a 1 percent return. Vaccines have been overblown in their efficacy since their inception. If you look at historical charts, almost all of the vaccine diseases were eliminated or at elimination (which is defined as less than 3 percent affliction rate) prior to the discovery of the vaccine.
Since then, disability, autism, developmental disorders, sids, dementia and Alzheimers have grown exponentially. A researcher published a paper in the Lancet, that showed each of the over 300 babies he did autopsy on all due to SIDS, were vaccinated.
Also, the rates of dementia, ALS, Alzheimers was 1/7k, in 1981, and now is 1/10. How? Of course there could be many mitigating factors, I am not blind to this, but correlation is the basis of scientific discovery and also the truth.
As for being anti vax, once again, if they worked, instead of injured or basically being worthless, I would support them. Many people always say to people who question them that they are anti vax. Nope, anti lies, and anti injury.
No vaccine works as intended. We have been lied to and to push them on people...Eg; flu vaccine that hasn't made a difference in 30 plus years, covid vax that didn't work, and now recent releases under FOI and FOIR showing the damage they are all causing, is criminal.
 
What? The diagnosis of sepsis due to covid ...... or sepsis due to the medical mistreatment of covid?
As there still is no valid test for a virus, not for covid, not for polio, not for any of them. However paralyzing people
against their will and forcing tubes down their throats in order to impede their natural breathing while starving them
to death with lack of nourishment and antibiotics that destroy the immune system has approximately a 90% death rate.

Thus the correct answer to this question is not an imaginary virus, but rather the barbaric medical treatments.
 
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... as evidence shows, most if not all are dangerous and serve no purpose. The flu shot is a great example. Only 1 in 100 it helps? ...... Vaccines have been overblown in their efficacy since their inception. If you look at historical charts, almost all of the vaccine diseases were eliminated or at elimination (which is defined as less than 3 percent affliction rate) prior to the discovery of the vaccine.
Since then, disability, autism, developmental disorders, sids, dementia and Alzheimers have grown exponentially. A researcher published a paper in the Lancet, that showed each of the over 300 babies he did autopsy on all due to SIDS, were vaccinated.
Also, the rates of dementia, ALS, Alzheimers was 1/7k, in 1981, and now is 1/10. How? Of course there could be many mitigating factors, I am not blind to this, but correlation is the basis of scientific discovery and also the truth.
That's a lot to think about.
As for being anti vax, once again, if they worked, instead of injured or basically being worthless, I would support them. Many people always say to people who question them that they are anti vax. Nope, anti lies, and anti injury.
No vaccine works as intended. We have been lied to and to push them on people...Eg; flu vaccine that hasn't made a difference in 30 plus years, covid vax that didn't work, and now recent releases under FOI and FOIR showing the damage they are all causing, is criminal.
Well said, Tazx. 📌 🤗
 
..... the doctors diagnosed him as having sepsis of the spine due to covid..
What? The diagnosis of sepsis due to covid ...... or sepsis due to the medical mistreatment of covid?

As there still is no valid test for a virus, not for covid, not for polio, not for any of them. However paralyzing people
against their will
by forcing tubes down their throats in order to impede their natural breathing while starving them
to death with lack of nourishment and antibiotics that destroy the immune system has approximately a 90% death rate.

Thus the correct answer to this question is not an imaginary virus, but rather the barbaric medical treatments
.
I am increasingly suspecting this to be the case all too often.
 
Yawn...

Will again suggest members that have personalities that cannot resist posting on troll threads after being intentionally baited to NOT FEED TROLLS. All these vaccine issues were nauseatingly discussed on this forum during the pandemic. Your new inputs are not going to add anything. Use the Search function. Those with various conspiracy narratives are not going to have their minds changed by simplistic terse comments on a small web community board like this. Its a GAME.

There are plenty of other science oriented sites on the web where these issues are much better discussed. Instead posting herein only serves purpose of giving them a soap box to continue ranting on so they might influence senior folk. Don't be their nose ring led fool. What such trollers hate most is...BEING IGNORED.

One can expect those that push such agendas will occasionally bring up such subjects repeatedly offering the same tactics after enough time has passed for previous discussions to be forgotten. That is how trollers play that game. Go read some of that strategy over on say 4chan dot com.

Viral Video Makes False and Unsupported Claims About Vaccines - FactCheck.org
 
Yawn...

Will again suggest members that have personalities that cannot resist posting on troll threads after being intentionally baited to NOT FEED TROLLS. All these vaccine issues were nauseatingly discussed on this forum during the pandemic. Your new inputs are not going to add anything. Use the Search function. Those with various conspiracy narratives are not going to have their minds changed by simplistic terse comments on a small web community board like this. Its a GAME.

There are plenty of other science oriented sites on the web where these issues are much better discussed. Instead posting herein only serves purpose of giving them a soap box to continue ranting on so they might influence senior folk. Don't be their nose ring led fool. What such trollers hate most is...BEING IGNORED.

One can expect those that push such agendas will occasionally bring up such subjects repeatedly offering the same tactics after enough time has passed for previous discussions to be forgotten. That is how trollers play that game. Go read some of that strategy over on say 4chan dot com.

Viral Video Makes False and Unsupported Claims About Vaccines - FactCheck.org
From now on I'll just ask you what source of info to rely upon and IGNORE all the others. 😐
 
@Knight, I’m so sorry to hear about your son. Wishing the best for him.
Thank You. How the diagnosis came about I don't know. All we do know is that is what his son was told. More distressing is that his son had to decide between pulling the plug & chancing total body paralysis, death due to surgery complication.

How covid is involved probably because as a virus that weakens the immune system. My son was put on a ventilator right away. It will be a few more days until more is known.
 
Why would there be restrictions? Under the bill of rights, the medical laws, the constitution, I don't have to do anything if I don't want to, and I can not be discriminated against for it. I am protected for any and all medical choices.
The very fact we were harassed and discriminated against was illegal. And unforgivable. As Canadian and other courts have proved. Thankfully we were not in Canada, but our kids were. It was disgusting.

You can't have it both ways. Either we are free to make our decisions, or we are serfs that must obey. If it's my body my choice, it's my body my choice!
In my state you would've been a serf. You would have been prohibited from entering any public place without a mask on whether you believed it violated your constitutional rights or not.
 
After all the arguments, I still wish they had a polio vaccine approved before I contracted polio in '53. I still suffer at times with post-polio syndrome, it's been almost 70 years. The COVID boosters were a given for me.

polio is soon to be one of the next diseases eradicated from the world.

A good example of vaccination being a victim of its own success - meaning so few people in the western world have encountered anyone who has had polio now and start focusing on so called perils of the vaccine rather than perils of the disease.

I'm sorry the vaccine came too late for you.
 
Yawn...

Will again suggest members that have personalities that cannot resist posting on troll threads after being intentionally baited to NOT FEED TROLLS. All these vaccine issues were nauseatingly discussed on this forum during the pandemic. Your new inputs are not going to add anything. Use the Search function. Those with various conspiracy narratives are not going to have their minds changed by simplistic terse comments on a small web community board like this. Its a GAME.

There are plenty of other science oriented sites on the web where these issues are much better discussed. Instead posting herein only serves purpose of giving them a soap box to continue ranting on so they might influence senior folk. Don't be their nose ring led fool. What such trollers hate most is...BEING IGNORED.

One can expect those that push such agendas will occasionally bring up such subjects repeatedly offering the same tactics after enough time has passed for previous discussions to be forgotten. That is how trollers play that game. Go read some of that strategy over on say 4chan dot com.

Viral Video Makes False and Unsupported Claims About Vaccines - FactCheck.org
Yeah presenting new released information is a troll! That is a moronic statement if I have ever heard one. Researching and releasing new info help people make informed choices and increases the risk assessment of what you do.

You can post all the debunking garbage you want, but as more info comes out that shows it is you who is the denier of true science-I still won't call you a troll. Know why, cause I lived my life defending humanity, and by reading and posting newly released info on studies that were banned, censored or blacklisted, can help people make life altering informed decisions.

If at all they should make you think....why were they blacklisted? If they are fake who would believe?
And...why are the statistics so overwhelming?

I am the first to admit I do not know everything, but I see from your posts in various areas, you seem to know everything about everything. And everything that contradicts you is fake, lies, debunked, trolls, unintelligent fools...Lol.

You are what we term in Philosophy, closed minded. You gloss over any anomolies that conflict with your ingrained beliefs-no matter the evidence,
You put your ego against the outcome-once again you are right and everyone else is wrong,
You make statements instead of asking questions or conversing,
You try to block others from speaking-you attempt at leading others to ignore these trolls, Lol,
You engage the topic simply by attempting to coerce others to disengage. If you truly felt this way, I would never see your responses.

I will say you are good at it. You write well, but instead of postulation, conversing, discussing, or even looking at -in this case- the studies, you just dismiss, disperse, and try to coerce others to do so as well to substantiate your statements.

But you fail. As documents are released, I will continue to provide factual information that is released under FOI, FOIR and other countries requests as well. People have the right to know the truth, and see what the govt -your govt as well- has been hiding from you.

You don't want to read this stuff...there's a nice gardening section in the others areas of this forum!!!
 
What I remember (without Googling the event sequence) was that a large group of Covid-stricken sea cruise travelers came to North America. Their situation provided the heads-up, and the diagnosis was that they'd been afflicted by a corona virus. And as we know, huge number of people nowadays travel internationally, so the global spread of Covid 19 was alarmingly rapid.

The other day I heard a health commentator on the radio saying that, until this one that got going in 2019, there'd been no pandemic of anything like the scale of the post-WW1 international flu. At first there was either no test for Covid in the hands of physicians, or not enough test sets... yet in my region (and province) the hospitals were filling up with incoming emergency cases with serious pulmonary illness. Plus there were not enough ventilators for these patients in many hospitals.

In the largest hospital in my region, there was also a shortage of beds. Hospital staffs became stressed; I know these things because I was a patient for something totally different during the pandemic, so I had only to look around. And out of curiosity I talked with numerous staff people.

Seems to me that it was natural for pharmaceutical companies to attempt a fast-track with vaccines, and the public expected that of them. Eventually home test kits were developed & produced. (Not that I'm a fan of big pharma. I'm not.) Whether vaccines should have been developed on the basis of different bio-medical principles I'm personally in no position to comment.
150,000 Jet takeoffs a day. Pull up live Radar of the USA. Watch all the flights in live radar. The number of Flights into large Cities are unreal.
I watched the slow down shortly after Covid was found and travel restricted. Most all do not have to fly by jet anymore, they just do because.

Private jets are another huge industry. Those takeoffs each day are also staggering. corporate, privately leased and guys with more than one huge paying jobs.

There were thousands of mis-diagnosed, never showed symptoms but passed "you are sick test" for covid and stayed home for days.
I'm thinking they just took off a week.

It was strange crossing St. Louis, all parking lots MT at Mid-Morning, no traffic on the express ways. Maybe one 18-wheeler in sight.
2 weeks before it was mayhem on the boulevards. It seemed the craziest of times that year.

One would have thought nuclear war except all the buildings were standing MT.
Was it really all about people with existing medical conditions / old aged ?

When it comes to fatal diseases, smallpox, Polio aren't all those bugs frozen and stored in Clinics? To be used in the development of deadlier Bio-Weapons! Aren't those areas where the Bugs first breakout suspect? Bird flu, Bat Flu, Swine flu etc.

Someone said Tests have proven you can cure intestinal cancer with a Dog Wormer.

Anti-Worm drug, Fenbendazole, effective at killing cancer cells | CANCERactive
Most likely Drug Dealers / Companies (Gut-Punch) "will fight" that one hand and Fists.
 
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Yeah presenting new released information is a troll! That is a moronic statement if I have ever heard one.
:ROFLMAO:
Researching and releasing new info help people make informed choices and increases the risk assessment of what you do.
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You can post all the debunking garbage you want, but as more info comes out that shows it is you who is the denier of true science-I still won't call you a troll. Know why, cause I lived my life defending humanity, and by reading and posting newly released info on studies that were banned, censored or blacklisted, can help people make life altering informed decisions.
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If at all they should make you think....why were they blacklisted? If they are fake who would believe?
And...why are the statistics so overwhelming?
(y)
I am the first to admit I do not know everything, but I see from your posts in various areas, you seem to know everything about everything. And everything that contradicts you is fake, lies, debunked, trolls, unintelligent fools...Lol.
It looks that way, yes.
You are what we term in Philosophy, closed minded. You gloss over any anomolies that conflict with your ingrained beliefs-no matter the evidence,
You put your ego against the outcome-once again you are right and everyone else is wrong,
You make statements instead of asking questions or conversing,
You try to block others from speaking-you attempt at leading others to ignore these trolls, Lol,
You engage the topic simply by attempting to coerce others to disengage. If you truly felt this way, I would never see your responses.
(y)
I will say you are good at it. You write well, but instead of postulation, conversing, discussing, or even looking at -in this case- the studies, you just dismiss, disperse, and try to coerce others to do so as well to substantiate your statements.

But you fail. As documents are released, I will continue to provide factual information that is released under FOI, FOIR and other countries requests as well. People have the right to know the truth, and see what the govt -your govt as well- has been hiding from you.

You don't want to read this stuff...there's a nice gardening section in the others areas of this forum!!!
Well said.
 


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