Alec Baldwin's charges dismissed

rgp said:
Once again, Baldwin was the last to hold the gun .... he & only he was / is responsible.
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Incorrect. The person who loaded the prop gun is responsible. The actor assumes that they are blanks. If you were the actor, would you suspect that the prop person would put real bullets in the gun. Of course not. Neither did Baldwin. So once again, Baldwin is not responsible.
 
Paladin1950 said:
Incorrect. The person who loaded the prop gun is responsible. The actor assumes that they are blanks. If you were the actor, would you suspect that the prop person would put real bullets in the gun. Of course not. Neither did Baldwin. So once again, Baldwin is not responsible.
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Incorrect. The armorer wasn't even on the set that day. The assistant director handed Baldwin the firearm apparently without verifying the safety of the firearm ... if he even had knowledge how to do that. Or knew the difference between a blank and a live round ... neither of which should have been in the firearm during a rehearsal, according to a statement made by a master armorer.

On set firearm protocols were not followed and the director, assistant director, Baldwin and everyone on that set had to have known that. Not their first rodeo.

Nor did Baldwin even follow accepted firearms safety rules. Not shocked, he never took a firearms safety course but had a firearm in his hand. He pointed the gun at Halyna Hutchins, a cinematographer not even an actor involved in the scene, and pulled the trigger. The FBI certified the only way that firearm fired was by pulling the trigger.

Yes it was an accident. A reckless, negligent accident that killed someone ... most people would go to jail for that. Obviously not all, but most.
 

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Naturally said:
Incorrect. The armorer wasn't even on the set that day. The assistant director handed Baldwin the firearm apparently without verifying the safety of the firearm ... if he even had knowledge how to do that.

On set firearm protocols were not followed and the director, assistant director, Baldwin and everyone on that set had to have known that. Not their first rodeo.

Nor did Baldwin even follow accepted firearms safety rules. Not shocked, he never took a firearms safety course but had a firearm in his hand. He pointed the gun at Halyna Hutchins, a cinematographer not even an actor involved in the scene, and pulled the trigger. The FBI certified the only way that firearm fired was by pulling the trigger.

Yes it was an accident. A reckless, negligent accident that killed someone ... most people would go to jail for that.
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DH agrees with you. He says anyone who holds a gun, no matter the situation, is responsible to check to see if its loaded. In this case loaded with blanks. It was his responsibility to be sure it was safe no matter who was on set.
I'm sorry he will have to live with this. I'm sorry for her and her loved ones. Tragic.
I see why the case was dismissed.
I just hope some better safety measures come out of it.
They'll surely be a civil case.
 
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hearlady said:
Anyone who holds a gun, no matter the situation, is responsible to check to see if its loaded. In this case loaded with blanks. It was his responsibility to be sure it was safe no matter who was on set.
I'm sorry he will have to live with this. I'm sorry for her and her loved ones. Tragic.
I see why the case was dismissed.
I just hope some better safety measures come out of it.
They'll surely be a civil case.
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There already has been a civil case and Baldwin reached an undisclosed settlement with the Halyna Hutchins family in the wrongful death lawsuit.

But yes I agree the manslaughter case recently dismissed, should have been. Based on the bungling of evidence by the special prosecutor. The law was served. Justice was a casualty.
 
Naturally said:
There already has been a civil case and Baldwin reached an undisclosed settlement with the Halyna Hutchins family in the wrongful death lawsuit.
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You see I edited my post as I was quoting my DH.
I go back and forth. They hire people to prevent this. I do agree that anyone who handles firearms on a set should have taken a safety course. Also, if the armorer isn't there I would not rely on anyone else.
 
hearlady said:
DH agrees with you. He says anyone who holds a gun, no matter the situation, is responsible to check to see if its loaded. In this case loaded with blanks. It was his responsibility to be sure it was safe no matter who was on set.
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A master armorer in the movie industry said that not even blanks should have been in the firearm during a rehearsal. Just an empty firearm. Honestly I don't know if that is movie set protocol or his opinion, but that's what a highly experienced master armorer said. He would know the protocol better than I. Does make sense from a safety standpoint though.
 
Very stupid of him to point a gun at anyone. We all know that was wrong. Involuntary negligence. That's all.
 
I have a love/hate relationship with Alec Baldwin. As a New Yorker I hate when he tries to steal parking spaces. He thinks he can hold an open public space for himself; he's had troubling incidences over this, one led to violence. I would go ballistic over someone doing that, even though I don't drive anymore. I'd fight him to the death, that's how strongly I feel over this issue. Only one of us would park and walk away, and it would be ME! Little old ME.
 
Baldwin was holding a gun, given to him by an assitant director, who grabbed it from the props cart, that was briefly checked by the weapons professional, and told to fire at a camera where a camera operator was standing.

Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me. Everyone, but the camera operator and Baldwin, who sounds like he never fired anything more than a cap gun before, was negligent.
 
Paladin1950 said:
Incorrect. The person who loaded the prop gun is responsible. The actor assumes that they are blanks. If you were the actor, would you suspect that the prop person would put real bullets in the gun. Of course not. Neither did Baldwin. So once again, Baldwin is not responsible.
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When handling firearms you should never assume anything ! {Please do not tell me what I would do} If I were an actor ? I wouldn't chance anything concerning guns, I would double check everything.
 
Naturally said:
Manslaughter is the legal term for that and was the charge Baldwin was on trial for. The charges were dismissed on a legal bungling technicality, not because he is innocent or was found innocent.
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"The charges were dismissed on a legal bungling technicality, not because he is innocent or was found innocent."

This is IMO where our legal system fails. Guilty or not guilty should not fall on technicalities . What time this or that was disclosed , or in what order, etc. It should be only decided on the evidence period ! No matter if the "rules" were exact or not.

This is why I cannot blindly follow the innocence project. It sets too many free, that are actually guilty of the crime accused.
 
Naturally said:
Only one(1) person killed someone on the "Rust" set
And all charges were just dropped against that witless murderer
People are legally held accountable for accidents ... but not today

The special prosecutor bungled it and the defense had the resources to uncover withholding of evidence
Today, the law was served. Justice was a casualty
Despite the ruling he will always remain a wife and mother slaughtering douche nozzle.

- He was offered a firearms safety course and didn't attend. Maybe it should have been mandatory
- The Armorer was not only NOT on the set that day, but DID NOT hand him the firearm
- FBI stated after forensic examination and testing of the firearm, that the ONLY way the firearm fired is when the trigger was pulled

For those who know nothing about firearms ... NEVER point a firearm at someone, whether you think it is loaded or not. Exercise trigger control: Keep your finger off of it until ready to fire. Beyond that, if you EVER think you will have hands on a firearm, by ALL means take a firearms safety course.

And if you ever "accidentally" kill someone, firearm or whatever, don't expect to be so "lucky" as that guy.
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Yeah, he lied when he did that TV interview saying he didn’t pull the trigger.

IDK, I guess I’m so used to lies where I live that a VIP lying to the public has become normal. I wonder who told him to do that interview and say that? They are horrid advisers, IMO.

BUT, while people call him a killer, what is lacking to me is intent. Intent to hurt someone is extremely important, IMO. People think I still talk about my ex too much, but my ex INTENDED me harm. His intentions were not NOBLE.

As a result, I get stuck in the wondering, “What the holy fart did I do to deserve that? To deserve all his wrath and hatred?” I truly do not know what I did to deserve that, so, I get stuck. I have even attempted to ASK him why he hates me so, but I would just get yelled at - cascades of word-salad screaming that I cannot hear because one of my defense mechanisms is to tune out his yelling. It’s a survival mechanism.

One of my adult kids told me once that they mentioned they did not like the candidate he was supporting one year for President, and that adult child got a 40-minute haranguing barrage from my ex and his 2nd wife about Why They Should Support Said GOP Candidate.

OK - disagreements about politics are normal in all families, but 40 minutes!? And with the step-mother backing him up? Two against one?!

That pissed me off for the sake of my adult kid, but all I could do was say, “Yup. I know he’s like that. Now you know not to discuss certain topics with them.”

Anyway, back to Baldwin. I don't know if it is true justice to send a man who has no criminal record that we know of, and with eight children, to prison for 18 months. Maybe it is and maybe it isn’t. But no one will ever convice me he INTENDED to kill Halyna Hutchins.

Example: If I rented a car and ABC Rentals company gave me that car, and I assumed that ABC Rentals had maintained the car properly and the brakes work perfectly, then I’m coming to a stop with someone in the crosswalk and the bad brakes fail and I accidentally kill that person, did I jump in the car with INTENT to kill someone that day?

No. I was just renting a car and assumed ABC Rentals did their job and inspected the car and made it safe for all to drive. I suppose I could still be charged with manslaughter in many states, but it was just a horrible accident.

That's why, IMO, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed is much more culpable in this mess. SHE was ABC Rentals in my analogy. It was her job to make sure all those weapons were safe.

It was Baldwin’s job too as producer of the film, but wouldn’t that more likely be pursued in Civil Court than criminal? I do believe the Baldwin production company already settled out of court with Hutchin’s family.

On the one hand, I agree with you. I would like to see more people serve time in jail but I would like our justice system to focus on INTENT when it makes those decisions to jail people.

I still see what Baldwin did as just a horrible accident and in HONOR of the victim and her family, he was just plain stupid to start completing that film, IMO. Again, I think Baldwin has some really crappy advisers if he has people telling him to complete “Rust”.
 
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Naturally said:
The special prosecutor is a defense lawyer. Kari Morrissey is a career defense attorney and should know something about withholding evidence eh. This is the first case she prosecuted and only because she was brought in as the special prosecutor.

And I have to wonder if on some level, it was set up that way. She took 3yrs to bring charges to court ... maybe she needed more time.

The other Special Prosecutor, Erlinda Ocampo Johnson, walked away from the case on Friday when she realized how badly Morrissey had bungled it. She bailed before the hearing was conducted and the judge's decision for dismissal handed down. Johnson had made an opening statement accusing Baldwin of being reckless, but said she knew the prosecution’s case was in trouble Friday when she learned that some rounds had not been turned over to the defense. She knew withholding evidence was wrong and felt the state should drop the case. Morrissey screwed the pooch on that one, otherwise, they had a case against Baldwin.

The only thing that I can see that makes (Clown World) "sense" (for Morrissey to self immolate) was the statement Morrissey stated that she has always been a fan / fond of Baldwin, loved his SNL work, agreed with his politics and perhaps "sacrificed herself" to see him "freed". In other words, some kind of mental flaw something or other or star struck. Otherwise it is a head scratcher why she withheld evidence and lied about it, knowing she would be caught in a lie. This has been a circus since day one ... regardless of the severity of the crime a monied "elitist" gets a wide berth.

Withholding evidence is the kiss of death for any prosecution. Just poorly handled. A career defense attorney such as Kari Morrissey should well know that. But that doesn't give Baldwin the right to say he's innocent. He still killed Halyna Hutchins. And that had nothing to do with the special prosecutors incompetence in the case.

And if the armorer wasn't on the set, which she wasn't ... why did Baldwin or anyone handle firearms? It wasn't their job nor were they qualified to make that decision, but they did.

Those firearm rounds that were turned in just this year and had been stored out of state all this time and were never on the "Rust" set, but were said to be similar to the live rounds on the "Rust" set ... were irrelevant. But Morrissey's mishandling of those rounds and filing them in a case that had nothing to do with the "Rust" case and then lying about it ... made them relevant ... to the defense team. Maybe I need to put on my tin foil hat. Just too much to read between the lines. Almost scripted.


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Everything you have said backs up my opinion as to why Baldwin’s production team are STUPID to endeavor to complete “Rust”. They should just let the cursed project die.

If the special prosecuter gave him an out in the name of justice, what can WE do about that? We are divided right here, yes? Half of us want him in prison and half think civil justice was enough.

But along with the cvil justice remedy, I think they should stop making “Rust”. That’s another form of civil justice. Stop that cursed film.
 
LoveTulips said:
I don't even like Baldwin, but I agree he is innocent.
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Keep in mind - in this particular case, Case Dismissed DOES NOT EQUAL innocent.

Case dismissed here means the prosecutor screwed up. And this is why Baldwin should swallow his pride, eat the financial losses, and stop making that film, because to the general public, making “Rust" is like a big F-U to their sense of justice.

He might have succeeded in a New Mexico courtroom, but now he has to sway The Court of Public Opinion. So far, he has been very inept at that task.

But also keep in mind, for those who want him in jail, Case Dismissed does not equal innocent. If he REALLY wanted nothing but a 100% WIN, the trial could have continued and the jury would have to say “NOT GUILTY”.

Now Baldwin has a gray area “win”, but there will always be those who think he should spend a few months in prison, or at least get five years probation. He’s never going to win some of those people over.
 
VintageBetter said:
I also began to wonder if he and the armorer were set up; if the armorer was not being cautious enough, and if someone with ill-intent snuck live rounds onto the set?

BUT, without cameras on the set 24/7, how could one prove such an allegation, right?

This trial being dismissed is not the end-all and be-all of justice in America. Believe me, in other courts, innocent people will still go to prison this week, and organized criminals will still get away with murder this year, especially in California. Let’s keep it all in perspective.
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the armourer if we're talking about the Coke head Hannah Gutierrez...she is rightly serving a sentence for this . ASST Director ( asst director is really just a dogsbody)... was given the gun By Hannah G..who was responsible for loading the gun.. and would have known a live bullet from a blank if she hadn't been drugged up to the eyeballs... as was her common condition on set..
 
hollydolly said:
the armourer if we're talking about the Coke head Hannah Gutierrez...she is rightly serving a sentence for this . ASST Director ( asst director is really just a dogsbody)... was given the gun By Hannah G..who was responsible for loading the gun.. and would have known a live bullet from a blank if she hadn't been drugged up to the eyeballs... as was her common condition on set..
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She was found guilty. The legal system did its job there.
 
hollydolly said:
yes I know and rightly so, she should have been jailed for longer ... but to Blame Baldwin was a major error.

He would have had no clue there would be a live bullet in there, it wasn't his job to check
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Well, legally, he was responsible for the whole set because he was one of the producers. But they already settled that civil culpability.
 
Fault and resulting punishment are discussed here in this thread. Mr Baldwin has probably spent many many hours in reflection of this tragedy. Should he join the approximately 1 in a hundred americans who are currently incarcerated? Nope. Who on this forum or anywhere are perfect? Was it even his fault? Does assigning blame make it somehow better? Bring her back? Give anyone peace?
 
IME, once the gun was declared "cold" as it was, it becomes a prop not a weapon and relieves Baldwin of the responsibility.

And when is OSHA (Occupational Safety and Health Administration) going make a rule declaring that no device capable of shooting a projectile should be on any movie set or in any theatre?

The investigation and multiple prosecutors are corrupt so HRG's conviction may be overturned on appeal.
 

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