Allen vs Farrow
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hollydolly
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I'd do the same , I hate waiting for another episode...however I don't know if we've got it here I'll have to check
Geezerette
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So much of their issues appeared in the media as they occurred, Two wealthy messed up people. Hope their kids didn’t suffer too much from it.
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Being aired, where? I'll watch it if I can access it.
Because you usually only see actors while they're acting it's difficult to judge, but Mia Farrow strikes me as someone who'd be really hard to live with.
I get it on HBO. I don't know if it's being aired anywhere else at the moment. It's on Sunday nights at 9:00.
Geezerette, their kids have suffered enormously. The complicated online synopsis about this family mentions a large number of kids who were adopted, several of whom took their own lives. The family seems split right down the middle, with some of the kids (I think they're all grown by now) siding with Mia, some with Woody. To make it more complicated, one of the Woody supporters is Ronan Farrow, who is the only biological child of both Mia and Woody, except that he is a dead ringer for Frank Sinatra. Ronan commented that he knows he could actually be Frank's son, and added, "Any one of us could be Frank's child!" Many of the kids were adopted from Asian countries. I don't even see how this family can unravel who is who.
There was a lot of commotion about Woody marrying Soon-Yi, who is sort of his stepdaughter, but not exactly, as he and Mia were never married. so she's actually his girlfriend's adopted daughter, except that he also adopted her. (I think). But the big shocker of this documentary so far is his sexual abuse of (then) five-year-old Dylan, who is now in her 30's and still describing the incidents.
Woody declined to be part of this documentary, so admittedly, it is one-sided. But that isn't Mia's fault, since he declined.
Geezerette, their kids have suffered enormously. The complicated online synopsis about this family mentions a large number of kids who were adopted, several of whom took their own lives. The family seems split right down the middle, with some of the kids (I think they're all grown by now) siding with Mia, some with Woody. To make it more complicated, one of the Woody supporters is Ronan Farrow, who is the only biological child of both Mia and Woody, except that he is a dead ringer for Frank Sinatra. Ronan commented that he knows he could actually be Frank's son, and added, "Any one of us could be Frank's child!" Many of the kids were adopted from Asian countries. I don't even see how this family can unravel who is who.
There was a lot of commotion about Woody marrying Soon-Yi, who is sort of his stepdaughter, but not exactly, as he and Mia were never married. so she's actually his girlfriend's adopted daughter, except that he also adopted her. (I think). But the big shocker of this documentary so far is his sexual abuse of (then) five-year-old Dylan, who is now in her 30's and still describing the incidents.
Woody declined to be part of this documentary, so admittedly, it is one-sided. But that isn't Mia's fault, since he declined.
hollydolly
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Sunny..I think you'll find that it's 'Moses' their adopted son, rather than Ronan ( their so called biological son)...who supports Woody Allen...
..and Dylan was 7 years old when she was apparently abused...
https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/film-tv/a35633411/allen-v-farrow-family-explained/
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The whole thing is just sad; they take dysfunctional to a whole new level. I was leaning toward believing Dylan until I saw the video that Mia took. That child was coached.
I don't have HBO but I followed the topic as their divorce and custody battles were going on.
I want to believe Dylan because children usually have no witnesses and they have so little power against the adults in question -- on the other hand, I hate to condemn Woody Allen, or anyone, of something that bad without proof.
Just going by what Allen reveals of himself through his work -- there have been so many stories about men who were attracted to women too young for them or women who were taboo in other ways, best friends girl, sister-in-law, etc. Then he actually married his wife's daughter!
I think he's fascinated by girls or women who are off limits, so I think that adds credence to Dylan's side.
However. Do I think Mia might have coached her? Oh, yes.
I want to believe Dylan because children usually have no witnesses and they have so little power against the adults in question -- on the other hand, I hate to condemn Woody Allen, or anyone, of something that bad without proof.
Just going by what Allen reveals of himself through his work -- there have been so many stories about men who were attracted to women too young for them or women who were taboo in other ways, best friends girl, sister-in-law, etc. Then he actually married his wife's daughter!
I think he's fascinated by girls or women who are off limits, so I think that adds credence to Dylan's side.
However. Do I think Mia might have coached her? Oh, yes.
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I haven't seen the film yet, but I've always had the suspicion she might have been coached. None of it came to light until WA began having a relationship with his adopted daughter... I feel that Mia, may have wanted him to be arrested for child sexual assault, in her anger and disgust at what he'd done with the daughter they'd raised together, but couldn't because the daughter was old enough to be in agreement with the Union... I am in now way on WA side , I feel he's a disgusting father figure... but In my own opinion I feel that Dylan was coached to attempt to get WA arrested and imprisoned
I think dating someone less than 1/2 his age sort of sums it up. Some of his movies especially comedies seem obessed with sex. He is from the era where directors, producers etc had a 'mandatory' casting interview on a couch. I know people who are still obsessed with people in their 50s that dated people in their 20s half their age but the Soon Yi being sort of the daughter from a previous relationship makes it creepy if not sleezy.
With some celebrities or on crime tv one sees all sorts of wacky dynamics especially with thirty something teachers dating young teenagers Allen's exploits nothing unusual on the surface. Some say an immature elder dating a very mature youngster is 'ok' but I can't help feel that immaturity is focused too much on the bedroom. And wouldn't a 'mature' younger person be wise enough to feel they're being exploited? There's a reason for underage laws. That dynamic shouldn't be dismissed
With some celebrities or on crime tv one sees all sorts of wacky dynamics especially with thirty something teachers dating young teenagers Allen's exploits nothing unusual on the surface. Some say an immature elder dating a very mature youngster is 'ok' but I can't help feel that immaturity is focused too much on the bedroom. And wouldn't a 'mature' younger person be wise enough to feel they're being exploited? There's a reason for underage laws. That dynamic shouldn't be dismissed
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but pinks she was for all intents and purposes his daughter....
this wasn't some young woman half his age that he met somewhere this was a girl he raised for 12 years alongside Farrow...Maybe I'm somewhat jaded, as nothing that comes out of Hollywood surprises me anymorebut pinks she was for all intents and purposes his daughter....
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Anything is possible, but Woody Allen has always creeped me out on a deeply visceral level. Speaking as a survivor, rather than a therapist, I tend to believe the accusations are true. His energy is all too familiar.
The second episode made a point of how often Woody has an older man (usually himself) in love with a much younger woman (girl). I think it was in the movie "Manhattan" that the girlfriend was supposed to be 17. He promotes this theme over and over again. May not prove that he did anything in real life, but it does show a weird kind of obsession.
I think the children who were adopted by Woody were Moses and Dylan, I named the wrong ones. Moses apparently has had mixed and changeable feelings about Woody. Who could blame the kids of that family for being confused?
About Dylan, I've read various accounts. Some of them say she was 5, but I think the incident where he took her up into the attic and got her to remove her underwear and sexually assaulted her, happened when she was 7. I've read accusations by Mia of Woody reaching into Dylan's crib when she was an infant, and inappropriately playing with her. So far, that hasn't been in the documentary.
BTW, it isn't only broadcast on Sundays. That's when they show a new episode. But they repeat it throughout the week.
I think the children who were adopted by Woody were Moses and Dylan, I named the wrong ones. Moses apparently has had mixed and changeable feelings about Woody. Who could blame the kids of that family for being confused?
About Dylan, I've read various accounts. Some of them say she was 5, but I think the incident where he took her up into the attic and got her to remove her underwear and sexually assaulted her, happened when she was 7. I've read accusations by Mia of Woody reaching into Dylan's crib when she was an infant, and inappropriately playing with her. So far, that hasn't been in the documentary.
BTW, it isn't only broadcast on Sundays. That's when they show a new episode. But they repeat it throughout the week.
Why Hollywood? They are nothing compared to us social media maniacs out there in anywhere UK or USA or any location?Maybe I'm somewhat jaded, as nothing that comes out of Hollywood surprises me anymore
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It isn't graphic, Holly, if by that you mean pictures of anything. It's almost all talking, "he said she said" kind of interviewing. The scenes involving the children all show happy-looking kids playing, swimming, etc. They look pretty "normal" and happy to me. A lot of the testimony about what happened is in conversations and interviews with Mia and some of the children, and various family friends and baby sitters, etc. There is nothing salacious about it. What makes it interesting to me is the overwhelming question: which one of them is totally nuts? Or is it both?
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I’ve starting watching it. I believe Dylan.
When the story first broke in the tabloids I wasn’t sure what to make of it. Woody claimed that Dylan was coached but then he was also in a relationship with another adopted daughter. I unfortunately know first hand that this is how it goes down. We had a molester in our family and Woody fits the profile.
It’s all too easy for abusers to get away with the lie. They groom the children but they also are quite adapt at being the affable, charming adult that nobody would ever suspect. In other words, they also groom the other adults around that child or children. Additionally, this abuse at the hands of someone they trust, love and have an ongoing relationship with often affects the children in a way that can also make it easy for the abuser to call the child delusional or a liar.
Now that Dylan is an adult she has tried numerous times to tell her story. With a quick google search anyone can look up her current testimony. As an adult she has the understanding of herself and the situation that she lacked when she told her experience as a little girl.
One other factor is that Woody can’t help telling on himself with pretty much every script he ever writes.
I feel bad for Dylan that once she came forward she wasn’t believed by everyone because Woody was famous and had his defenders. My cousins and I suffered a similar fate. When the first one came forward she was vilified and treated as crazy. It wasn’t until more of us stepped forward that some people began to change their minds and still not all wanted to believe. The kindest thing that was said to me by one who had strong incentive to side with the molester was “I believe that you believe it.” The reaction of those who side with the molester is far worse than the actual abuse to me. It was very disheartening to be silent as a child for fear of the other adults siding with the molester only to have that proven as fact when you become an adult and dare to tell the truth.
What makes it difficult is that in many ways, as a child you are held hostage by the situation. Every adult surviver I ever met loved their abuser while they hated the abuse. And they have to get along because the abuser is ever present. So it’s really hard for people outside the experience to wrap their brains around this complex relationship.
Another thing to remember is that roughly 2 out of 10 females have been molested as children. This behavior is far more common than most people realize because there is a real stigma to speaking out so most victims never tell more than a few trusted people.
When the story first broke in the tabloids I wasn’t sure what to make of it. Woody claimed that Dylan was coached but then he was also in a relationship with another adopted daughter. I unfortunately know first hand that this is how it goes down. We had a molester in our family and Woody fits the profile.
It’s all too easy for abusers to get away with the lie. They groom the children but they also are quite adapt at being the affable, charming adult that nobody would ever suspect. In other words, they also groom the other adults around that child or children. Additionally, this abuse at the hands of someone they trust, love and have an ongoing relationship with often affects the children in a way that can also make it easy for the abuser to call the child delusional or a liar.
Now that Dylan is an adult she has tried numerous times to tell her story. With a quick google search anyone can look up her current testimony. As an adult she has the understanding of herself and the situation that she lacked when she told her experience as a little girl.
One other factor is that Woody can’t help telling on himself with pretty much every script he ever writes.
I feel bad for Dylan that once she came forward she wasn’t believed by everyone because Woody was famous and had his defenders. My cousins and I suffered a similar fate. When the first one came forward she was vilified and treated as crazy. It wasn’t until more of us stepped forward that some people began to change their minds and still not all wanted to believe. The kindest thing that was said to me by one who had strong incentive to side with the molester was “I believe that you believe it.” The reaction of those who side with the molester is far worse than the actual abuse to me. It was very disheartening to be silent as a child for fear of the other adults siding with the molester only to have that proven as fact when you become an adult and dare to tell the truth.
What makes it difficult is that in many ways, as a child you are held hostage by the situation. Every adult surviver I ever met loved their abuser while they hated the abuse. And they have to get along because the abuser is ever present. So it’s really hard for people outside the experience to wrap their brains around this complex relationship.
Another thing to remember is that roughly 2 out of 10 females have been molested as children. This behavior is far more common than most people realize because there is a real stigma to speaking out so most victims never tell more than a few trusted people.
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It is my understanding than one in three girls, and one in six boys endure some level of sexual abuse. This does not account for the approx ninety percent of cases never reported.
Giantsfan1954
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Thought the same thing, if he’s not Sinatra’s son it would be shocking, even the eyes!
I listened to his audio book”Catch and Kill” which gave a good portrait of what a sleaze all Harvey Weinstein is!