Americans! Have you ever been ashamed to be an American?

Falcon said:
I've never been ashamed before but am now with the government we have in office now. ALL THE WAY UP TO THE VERY TOP!

You asked; I told.
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Amazing John, you lived through the Bush Presidency and didn't have a moment of shame but now you do? Why are you ashamed of our current President. I'm sure you have many good reasons?
 

~Lenore said:
I have never been ashamed to be an American or of America.

I am ashamed of the current president though.

I know there will be a lot slammed at me for daring to say that but have at it. I do not care what you who are ashamed of our country think or have to say.

I will not reply to any slams.
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It's never polite to drop a turd in the punchbowl and leave the party. Some would say cowardly.
 

Falcon said:
I refuse to elaborate....a lost cause. Just overwhelmed by the preponderance of liberals on this forum.
When the $$$ runs out, maybe you'll catch on.
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Isn't that funny? See.... I have always thought that there were far too many Concervatives here.. But I guess it depends on your preference.
 
Falcon said:
I refuse to elaborate....a lost cause. Just overwhelmed by the preponderance of liberals on this forum.
When the $$$ runs out, maybe you'll catch on.
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John, We are not "liberals", we are Americans. I ask only when someone makes such a point of not liking our President they share their reason. If you won't do that I will have to categorize you as one of the detractors who only dislike his skin color or his political party.
 
Ameriscot said:
I was thinking back to all the jokes about stupid Americans when he became prez while I was adjusting to being a foreigner in the UK. It was humiliating! TV interviews with morons who said they voted for him cuz he's the kinda guy you could sit in a bar and have a beer with. A major newspaper showing a map of US and an arrow pointing to the UK saying 'we are here' because he wasn't too good at geography.

I was very tempted to claim I was Canadian!
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One of my favorite souvenirs of Canada is a green baseball cap that says "Canada" and displays a small Canadian flag. During the time period you reference, I traveled in Europe and South America. I made sure to wear that cap wherever I went. I'm still ashamed that that "person" was ever greased into our White House.
 
Josiah said:
I can see Falcon's point.
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Don't confuse friendship with logic. Sure there are many liberals here, but I have been on sites where liberals were outnumbered 50 to one. Do you think I didn't have an opinion there? No way. I believe every man has a right to his opinion but he has the responsibility to back it up as well.
 
I'm coming late to the discussion but nope, I've never have been ashamed to be an American. I am a citizen of the greatest country on earth. I am on occasion embarrassed by my elected officers, a lot of public figures who also happen to be American and some of my relatives...ok, a lot of my relatives...but I am not embarrassed by nor ashamed of my country.
 
Josiah said:
I'm ashamed that much of the developed world has passed us by in many important areas such as healthcare, education, social safety net, gun control, switching to alternative sources of energy to name just a few.
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In spite of some of the above mentioned conditions in the U.S., you can't deny its scenic beauty, its diversity, its high level of tolerance, its generosity, its friendliness, its high spirits!
There's absolutely NO SHAME in being an American and treasuring American values!
 
Susie said:
In spite of some of the above mentioned conditions in the U.S., you can't deny its scenic beauty, its diversity, its high level of tolerance, its generosity, its friendliness, its high spirits!
There's absolutely NO SHAME in being an American and treasuring American values!
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Can you elaborate on just what "American Values" are? and would people not having those particular "values" or disagree in some way not quite as American as those who agree?
 
I am not ashamed to be an American, and Very Proud to be one, and I agree totally with Lenora and Falcon, and
I too am not going to give my reason's either. They won't be agreed with and will be attacked as usual. Bush is still being run down on the forum. Much reading on the forum about how disrespected Pres. Obama is being treated, hard to believe the other side of the aisle, doesn't remember how disrespected Pres. Bush was and is still being called names on here even tho he has been out of office for 6 years, In the news, it showed Pres. Bush being hung in effigy, a collection of names was collected to name a sewer after him etc, and through it all, he never complained to anyone about it....just put up with it.
 
Oh... poor Dubya

I don't think that being an American means that one has to be proud of all the stupid crap going on in our Government.... One can love ones country and still speak out about what is wrong with it. And how we treat our own people, particularly those needing help is a major embarassment.
 
Susie said:
In spite of some of the above mentioned conditions in the U.S., you can't deny its scenic beauty, its diversity, its high level of tolerance, its generosity, its friendliness, its high spirits!
There's absolutely NO SHAME in being an American and treasuring American values!
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Hi Susie, I'll grant you all the virtues you mention accept perhaps tolerance and generosity. But I continue to feel shame about the serious shortcoming I listed plus I would add our selfish preoccupation with what's best for me rather than what's good for the country.
 
QuickSilver said:
Can you elaborate on just what "American Values" are? and would people not having those particular "values" or disagree in some way not quite as American as those who agree?
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Thank you for your question, Quicksilver.
I've had to ask Mr. Google for help in defining the "American value system", and a large number of definitions appeared:
I chose the following one (have only skimmed most of it, but found a list and summary of American values on p. 7):

http://www.uri.edu/mind/VALUES2.pdf
 
There is no shame in being big enough to admit that we are capable of making mistakes, Look, I am a proud American, maybe more so than some of those who disagree with me. I am also a realist. We are no different or superior to any other country, we CAN and HAVE made mistakes, to dent this is to emulate the ostrich and hide our heads in the sand.
 
jujube said:
I'm coming late to the discussion but nope, I've never have been ashamed to be an American. I am a citizen of the greatest country on earth. I am on occasion embarrassed by my elected officers, a lot of public figures who also happen to be American and some of my relatives...ok, a lot of my relatives...but I am not embarrassed by nor ashamed of my country.
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So are you saying you love the real estate? Because I'd go along with that. And maybe you're saying you 'love' most of the citizens? Because I'd go along with that too.

As for the 'greatest country', hmmm you can't not include your foreign affairs policy in the discussion and that subtracts a lot of points. I think if your administration started working at getting along with the rest of the globe and not taking advantage, you'd have the potential to be 'one of the greatest countries in the world'. So many great things, inventions and technologies have come out of the USA....and so many good people with drive and determination and so on! Definitely lots to be proud of, too bad about both your political parties. But then that could be said about many countries government couldn't it?
 
QuickSilver said:
Oh... poor Dubya

I don't think that being an American means that one has to be proud of all the stupid crap going on in our Government.... One can love ones country and still speak out about what is wrong with it. And how we treat our own people, particularly those needing help is a major embarassment.
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Right on! I think it's a citizens responsibility to notice what those politicians/shysters are doing and let them know when they stray from the straight and narrow (after all, they are supposed to represent the people)! Of course it's always a question as to whether or not they listen.....:(
 
No, I've never been ashamed to be an American.
Furthermore, anyone who IS ashamed to be an American is and always has been free to move to another country. Good luck with that!

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AZ Jim said:
Many feel that by pointing out anything negative about America makes you anti-American. I was born here, I was educated here, I enlisted in our military, I took the oath to defend us against all enemies foreign and domestic but damn it we are fallible. And I also don't like the attitude that we are the "worlds leader" or that the President of the US is also the "Leader of the free world".
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AZ Jim there are a few countries standing in the shadow of the Worlds leader and leader of the free World currently......China, India, Pakistan to name a few, just slowly marking time to swoop on the title.
However what makes the person or the country take the title any way, is it deserved, is it important and who does the rating??? Discussion.....
 
AZ Jim said:
No need to tell us why or when. I personally believe that we, have at times done things that I am ashamed of. Does that make me a bad citizen or a realist?
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A realist. I was born and raised in the USA, and I'm proud to be an American. There's no other place I'd rather be, that's for sure! I've never felt ashamed personally, but there are things that the government has done over the years that I'm not very proud of, starting with the Native Americans, and continuing with the invasions of other countries and senseless wars over the years that have cost both money and lives. There's reasons some other countries hate us, we are far from perfect, hard to reach perfection with so much corruption in government in our history. Also behind the scenes treatment of our military over the years. All in all though, the good definitely outweighs the bad.


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SeaBreeze said:
A realist. I was born and raised in the USA, and I'm proud to be an American. There's no other place I'd rather be, that's for sure! I've never felt ashamed personally, but there are things that the government has done over the years that I'm not very proud of, starting with the Native Americans, and continuing with the invasions of other countries and senseless wars over the years that have cost both money and lives. There's reasons some other countries hate us, we are far from perfect, hard to reach perfection with so much corruption in government in our history. Also behind the scenes treatment of our military over the years. All in all though, the good definitely outweighs the bad.


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I agree SB, the good outweighs the bad, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't make it better where we can. I love my country and have for almost 79 years.
 
Shalimar said:
Glinda, out of curiosity, do Americans still pass as Canadians when travelling the world? With our current global status, I doubt that would be wise.
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Huh? Who doesn't like Canadians? Did I miss something again?? Dang!
 

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