Americans Traveling To Europe Will Be Fingerprinted

gruntlabor said:
Thanks Teacher Terry, I understand why dual citizenship is desired by the citizen, whether for family or economic or other reasons. What I don't understand is why it should be permitted by any country, or in what way it could possibly serve a country or its population, especially when the dual citizen may be of two minds about his loyalties.
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Not sure why some people assume dual citizens are confused about loyalty. Trust me, my son knows exactly who he is. He just happens to have more options than those with a one-flag-fits-all mindset.
 
January said:
What I meant was that Americans aren't complaining about other people having to do it to enter US - only about themselves having to do the same elsewhere.
if it is neccesary one way, it is neccesary both ways.

not that the folks from other countries aren't complaining.
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I had a conversation with a woman from my church yesterday about this. She confirmed that Australians entering US are fingerprinted. She said it was no big deal.

I guess it's only a big deal if you aren't expecting it.
 
oslooskar said:
Not sure why some people assume dual citizens are confused about loyalty. Trust me, my son knows exactly who he is. He just happens to have more options than those with a one-flag-fits-all mindset.
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I've not made myself understood.
I think it's great that you and your son are enjoying living in Thailand.
But Thailand has taken wise precautions that you can do them no harm so that both sides see positive results --it's a mutually beneficial relationship, as it should be, but is not in the U.S.
 
gruntlabor said:
I've not made myself understood.
I think it's great that you and your son are enjoying living in Thailand. But Thailand has taken wise precautions that you can do them no harm so that both sides see positive results --it's a mutually beneficial relationship, as it should be, but is not in the U.S.
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GOOD GRIEF! You’ve just pivoted to Thailand’s immigration policies, which is a different topic altogether. I’m not sure how that relates to the original point you raised about whether dual citizenship serves a country or its population. So if you want to change the subject that's fine with me, just let me know. But as it stands, my previous rebuttal to your comment remains unaddressed. I had responded to your concern about divided loyalties, and pointed out that having dual citizenship doesn’t mean someone is conflicted, it just means they have more options, not less clarity.
 
Not to worry. We will charge a hefty tariff on something and bring Europe to its senses. We Americans can go anyplace we want. Just don't try sending your drug dealers and rapists over here.
 
oslooskar said:
GOOD GRIEF! You’ve just pivoted to Thailand’s immigration policies, which is a different topic altogether. I’m not sure how that relates to the original point you raised about whether dual citizenship serves a country or its population. So if you want to change the subject that's fine with me, just let me know. But as it stands, my previous rebuttal to your comment remains unaddressed. I had responded to your concern about divided loyalties, and pointed out that having dual citizenship doesn’t mean someone is conflicted, it just means they have more options, not less clarity.
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WOW! I am not communicating clearly! I'm old, it's not my fault. I accept as truth all the points you have made, but I'm not thinking of divided loyalties or of Thailand's policies, I don't care about them; none of my business. I should never have mentioned either!
My only point is that from the point of view of ANY COUNTRY. I don't understand how the willy-nilly passing out of dual citizenship benefits ANY COUNTRY, when the country can benefit greatly by laying down just a few simple precautionary rules.
Like, for example: You may not stack 200 Iranians in an efficiency apartment.
 
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Grunt labor, I wasn’t totally understanding you in the beginning either. Yes you’re right. countries do not benefit from dual citizenship and only individual citizens too. Some countries don’t allow it but many do.
 
gruntlabor said:
WOW! I am not communicating clearly! I'm old, it's not my fault. I accept as truth all the points you have made, but I'm not thinking of divided loyalties or of Thailand's policies, I don't care about them; none of my business. I should never have mentioned either! My only point is that from the point of view of ANY COUNTRY. I don't understand how the willy-nilly passing out of dual citizenship benefits ANY COUNTRY, when the country can benefit greatly by laying down just a few simple precautionary rules.
Like, for example: You may not stack 200 Iranians in an efficiency apartment.
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Ah, thanks for the clarification! I see now that your concern is about national policy from a purely practical standpoint, not about loyalty or individual circumstances. Fair enough.

I do agree that countries have the right to set reasonable conditions for granting citizenship, dual or otherwise. That being said, dual citizenship can actually benefit a country economically, diplomatically, and culturally. For instance, dual nationals often build bridges in trade, innovation, and even tourism. So it's not about stacking people in apartments, it’s about stacking the odds in a country's favor by being smart about who gets in and how.
 
Teacher Terry said:
Grunt labor, I wasn’t totally understanding you in the beginning either. Yes you’re right. countries do not benefit from dual citizenship and only individual citizens too. Some countries don’t allow it but many do.
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Terry, that’s an impressively simplistic take. Dual citizenship isn’t just a perk for globe-trotting freeloaders. Countries benefit too through investment, trade, remittances, and global influence. So, don't pretend it’s just about letting people collect passports like baseball cards. Also, I would like to see your evidence that no country benefits from dual citizenship. So, if you have any please present it or admit that it was just a hunch dressed up as a policy insight.
 
oslooskar said:
Ah, thanks for the clarification! I see now that your concern is about national policy from a purely practical standpoint, not about loyalty or individual circumstances. Fair enough.

I do agree that countries have the right to set reasonable conditions for granting citizenship, dual or otherwise. That being said, dual citizenship can actually benefit a country economically, diplomatically, and culturally. For instance, dual nationals often build bridges in trade, innovation, and even tourism. So it's not about stacking people in apartments, it’s about stacking the odds in a country's favor by being smart about who gets in and how.
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Yes! That's right! Thank you, oslooskar
 
oslooskar said:
Terry, that’s an impressively simplistic take. Dual citizenship isn’t just a perk for globe-trotting freeloaders. Countries benefit too through investment, trade, remittances, and global influence. So, don't pretend it’s just about letting people collect passports like baseball cards. Also, I would like to see your evidence that no country benefits from dual citizenship. So, if you have any please present it or admit that it was just a hunch dressed up as a policy insight.
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Wow you are really intense about this issue. No I haven’t studied it and I don’t intend to because I really don’t care either way. Right off the top of my head I didn’t see any benefits to countries but if you say there are I will take your word for it.
 

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