Are there ANGELS?

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I've noticed when posters here give an example of having seen an angel, they give examples where someone has been kind to them or said something sweet or done them a favor. I've done ALL of those things for others and I can assure you that I am no angel.

The only time I would believe it was an angel is if it acted like the old guy on the bridge in "It's a wonderful life". He appeared out of nowhere and disappeared instantly. Now THAT would make me a believer in Angels!
 

This discussion, debate, argument is a bit of a tired one.
Age old questions, age old answers

Somebody poke me when sumpm new is bantered around.

All you guys are lovable, no matter yer positions on this subject

..and that's key, in this life, and whatever comes after

Seniors do rock

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Gary O' said:
This discussion, debate, argument is a bit of a tired one.
Age old questions, age old answers

Somebody poke me when sumpm new is bantered around.

All you guys are lovable, no matter yer positions on this subject

..and that's key, in this life, and whatever comes after

Seniors do rock

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I don't do croswords puzzles, am not smart enough and don't have the patience. I use debates as my ''mind stimulators'', they keep my gray matter stimulated and young, just like Gary in that photo. 🥰
 

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This thread gets "curiouser and curiouser" as Alice would say. The ones who hate religion and hate debating are the ones who continue to post repeats of their own belief about why there are no angels or no God and continue calling the other side proselytizers when in fact they are the ones hell-bent on changing the minds of the believers. And the thread goes on and on and on.
 
Lara said:
This thread gets "curiouser and curiouser" as Alice would say. The ones who hate religion and hate debating are the ones who continue to post repeats of their own belief about why there are no angels or no God and continue calling the other side proselytizers when in fact they are the ones hell-bent on changing the minds of the believers. And the thread goes on and on and on.
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What does anybody expect when they post their opinions on a posting forum? There will be those that agree and those that don't. It's best not to post something that's going to hurt your feelings when you know that a controversial topic is going to do that. No one can just post something like that and not expect to elicit other maybe really mean responses.. Did Jesus bash people's opinions when they didn't agree with his? No, he lived his belief. He showed by his actions who he was and what he believed. He didn't curse those who nailed him to the cross. He asked his Father to forgive them because they know not what they do.
 
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fuzzybuddy said:
Believers believe. They don't need proof. As an Atheist, I could care less what you believe, as long as your beliefs don't impinge on my life. But I can't say most believers are content with that. I have found that believers are intent on spreading their own particular brand of belief. And because they "believe", they feel that gives them the right to proselytize, to insist that I conform to their particular morality, and to berate my beliefs. And quite frankly, what you believe, no matter how fervently you believe; does not make it so for me.
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"as long as your beliefs don't impinge on my life. "

And there's my rub........their belief does , their organizations pay no tax. That means the rest of us must make up the difference , and it's huge..........there's the impingement.
 
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"as long as your beliefs don't impinge on my life. "

And there's my rub........their belief does , their organizations pay no tax. That means the rest of us must make up the difference , and it's huge..........there's the impingement.
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You are wrong. Churches do pay taxes, but hell if I'm going to do your research work for you.
 
Olivia said:
...Did Jesus bash people's opinions when they didn't agree with his? No, he lived his belief.
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Well, Jesus did knock over the money-changer's tables in the synagogue and called them a den of thieves because they didn't agree with Him that it was a house of prayer...Matthew 21:12
 
Lara said:
Well, He did knock over the money-changer's tables in the synagogue and called them a den of thieves...Matthew 21:12
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When someone said that a person can be one's own worst enemy, I think that would describe what you just posted. Jesus is love which is not the way you're been describing him. It seems more like you want to push people away.
 
Olivia said:
When someone said that a person can be one's own worst enemy, I think that would describe what you just posted. Jesus is love which is not the way you're been describing him. It seems more like you want to push people away.
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"It’s always good to remember the Lord’s purpose for what He makes. Whether it’s the temple, the church, marriage, the family, or life itself, we should follow God’s design and seek to honor Him. Any twisting or perverting of God’s design for selfish purposes will draw the Lord’s righteous anger."

I think you should familiarize yourself with the Bible story before accusing others of "pushing people away or being their own worst enemy". After all, you did say, ".Did Jesus bash people's opinions when they didn't agree with his? No, he lived his belief." And I gave you the biblical answer.

Or if you don't have a Bible you could read this: https://www.gotquestions.org/house-prayer-den-thieves.html
 
Jesus loves you, Lara. And that's what matters because it's love that God created people for--to love him and one another. Words are just words unless you live them.

1 Corinthians 13:1
If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.
 
When you said "words are just words unless you live them" is condescending. Are you directing them toward Jesus or toward me? Or both? If it's both then I guess I'm in good company🙂
 
God speaks to those will listen. God spoke to me in my heart to tell you that love is everything. However you take it is up to you.
 
Olivia, you said earlier that you lean toward Buddhism which is a religion that doesn't believe in God. But now you are saying you believe in God and are "counseling" me using Biblical scripture and even conversing with God. Are you a Christian now?
 
I lean toward Buddhism in philosophy. My dad is a Japanese Buddhist. I do believe in God, but I also believe that God is a creator over all, however people believe in him. Yes, I am a Christian. Take that as you wish.
 
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You are wrong. Churches do pay taxes, but hell if I'm going to do your research work for you.
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I just googled it = They pay some but not property taxes or income taxes, which would be pretty hefty:
Churches do not pay property taxes or basic income taxes. But churches do pay the employer portion of federal social security (FICA) taxes for their non-clergy employees. Churches also often pay or collect state sales taxes on the tangible personal property they sell or purchase.
https://blog.oup.com/2018/09/does-tcja-tax-churches/
 
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Olivia said:
I believe that each individual's answer...is finally based on one's philosophy of life, whether that be a religious belief or just about any thing else. I personally lean more to the Buddhist philosophy, about no birth, no death, although I don't really see where one kind of belief negates any other.
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I am a Christian
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How do you define "Christian"?
 
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The following was in response to PVC's post up above.

Why are you sorry? It says that churches do pay taxes. And ALSO property taxes. I worked for a mainline Christian church for eight years before I retired. And property taxes were paid for properties that were not used for a church purpose. I worked in the property management department of the church.

And also why do people not understand that there are many denominations for Christianity and not all are far right fundamentalist? That's why I hate religion being debated on a forum such as this one. Each person thinks they know about everything about anything. I don't like posting about this kind of stuff but sometimes you just have to. It makes me feel like looking for some other kind of forum, or better yet, none at all because no matter where, one just can't get away from this kind of crap.

Is that really right? Is that really? And so I should keep my mouth shut. I have up to now, but I just couldn't stand it anymore.
 
Olivia said:
It makes me feel like looking for some other kind of forum, or better yet, none at all because no matter where, one just can't get away from this kind of crap. Is that really right? Is that really? And so I should keep my mouth shut. I have up to now, but I just couldn't stand it anymore.
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Hey, we humans are like snowflakes, not ONE of us is exactly alike. So, if you want to avoid people who disagree with you, you might as well become a hermit in some mountain cave and avoid seeing other humans. This here is just a debate, and like Knight said in post #394 = "At post # 394 The pro/ con needle hasn't moved. " LOL It's true, we believe what we believe.
 
It's not up to me to like it or not. I carry no carrot. You haven't said anything yet anyway. I'm just confused about your previous posts. Maybe your confused. I don't know. Peace.
 

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