Are we facing another lockdown?

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I couldn't read it cuz of the pay prompt so I found one I could read. If anyone else wants to see it here it is. I read another article just now where they were talking about it. Just like in March only longer. Otherwise the damage will be too staggering on human life and the economy. If it takes 6 wks to get this crap under control they should do it. But since no one wants to comply to anything I just don't see this going well.

https://www.ibtimes.com/another-covid-lockdown-coming-us-3081044
 

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Becky1951 said:
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The federal government could constitutionally do that at borders, but not within states. That's what it means to be a republic with representative democracy. I suppose congress could pass laws along that line since they're our democratically elected representatives.

I think it's possible to look at the issue without bringing partisan politics into it by looking at how our system of government is set up, and what's constitutionally allowed actions for the different branches of government. Also to consider are what sorts of federal law enforcement there are and their allowed functions.
 
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AnnieA said:
The federal government could constitutionally do that at borders, but not within states. That's what it means to be a republic with representative democracy. I suppose congress could pass laws along that line since they're our democratically elected representatives.

I think it's possible to look at the issue without bringing partisan politics into it by looking at how our system of government is set up, and what's constitutionally allowed actions for the different branches of government. Also to consider are what sorts of federal law enforcement there are and their allowed functions.
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Why can't they do this in the states? They've locked down for 6 wks in other countries. I think the question should be why aren't they doing more? You would think they would want to do what it takes to get rid of this crap. We won't have jobs to go to or loved ones to see if we're all dead.
 
StarSong said:
There are plenty of attorneys in this country and they're kept mighty busy. Surely your news is reporting that the US is awash in various lawsuits by Americans who are feeling hard-done-by or unfairly treated.

And yes, we are in real trouble.
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In my state, people have sued the governor, saying she does not have the authority to mandate a lockdown, masks, etc, Our state supreme court ruled that yes, in fact, under our state constitution the governor does have this power in a health emergency. They also ruled that the state does have the power to assess and collect fines from those who violate the various mandates.

At least our governor and supreme court have some sense.
 
I mentioned in post #5, some grim statistics related to projected Covid cases per day in the province of Ontario (Canada).

That's just been upgraded. It's now projected that the province of Ontario will experience between 6000 and 6500 cases per day within the coming weeks.

I can see severe measures implemented right around the corner for that province.
 
Remember the first lockdown? And how it would flatten the curve? And how the experts kept moving the goal posts? And how it didn’t work? And that phrase “the government can borrow enough money” is just ludicrous. From whom? Your great grandchildren? Or China? Oy!
 
MarciKS said:
Why can't they do this in the states? They've locked down for 6 wks in other countries. I think the question should be why aren't they doing more? You would think they would want to do what it takes to get rid of this crap. We won't have jobs to go to or loved ones to see if we're all dead.
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Because the federal government has constitutionally designed limited powers. Here are a couple of articles explaining it more:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/why-theres-no-national-lockdown/609127/

https://www.npr.org/2020/04/02/8252...le-to-order-a-national-quarantine-experts-say


"We won't have jobs to go to or loved ones to see if we're all dead." quote from your post ....mortality rates are dropping and could even more so if people were educated about monitoring O2 sats. Pulse oximeters are cheap and easy to use, but apparently no health bureaucrats have seen fit to make this a public health message though it could limit hospitalizations and save lives.
 
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CarolfromTX said:
Remember the first lockdown? And how it would flatten the curve? And how the experts kept moving the goal posts? And how it didn’t work? And that phrase “the government can borrow enough money” is just ludicrous. From whom? Your great grandchildren? Or China? Oy!
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The lockdown did flatten the curve. It slowed it down to help hospitals that were filling up. It would have worked more but then we had protests, riots and idiots refusing to wear masks, idiots running around yelling their constitutional rights, Covid parties, pool parties, large weddings and get togethers. 😡
 
If people just behaved like responsible adults, these lockdowns wouldn't be necessary. But the disease is "spiking" once again, and it sounds like they are expecting an enormous surge in cases, with devastating consequences. The hospitals and medical personnel would be overwhelmed.

Fauci is anticipating a vaccine available to us by sometime in the spring. If we have to live with full or partial lockdowns until then, so be it. It's better than being dead.
 
Gaer said:
HUGE outbreak in El Paso, which is only 100 miles from me. Tomorrow I'll take a last trip into town 22 miles away, to get supplies for me and my dog before we hunker down.
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Do you have any idea what caused the big El Paso outbreak? That's what's so puzzling...one area can be fine for a while and then suddenly explode with cases. Sometimes it seems it can be linked to large recreational or church gatherings or workplace issues.
 
gennie said:
I think Warrigal named the key to getting the virus under control - being able to identify the symptomless but active cases. So far, no one has a clue.

Until we can do that, the best we can do is stay educated, use common sense and do the right thing.
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I read that a person can be a-symtomatic for 14 days. What I'd like to know is have they discovered any "Typhoid Marys"...people that can be carriers of the virus for maybe months?
 
Liberty said:
I read that a person can be a-symtomatic for 14 days. What I'd like to know is have they discovered any "Typhoid Marys"...people that can be carriers of the virus for maybe months?
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We have folks that are dumb enough to come to work sick rather than call in because they need the money. One gal comes in with the flu every year. One of us has to go to the office and say something to someone and they have to send her home and if I'm there I get pulled from whatever shift I'm on to take over for her. It's not as easy to do right now. LOL
 
IrisSenior said:
I think this virus will not go away until everyone is on lockdown or dead if they refuse to lockdown. I must be blunt.

To me that means: contact with people in your same household ONLY, mask mandatory for inside any building, maintaining 8 (yes, 8 not 6 feet) from others, handwashing and sanitizing whatever needs it. If you are sick, stay home.

I think we are all dreaming if we think a vaccine is going to stop this virus if we don't follow the rules above.

The opinion expressed above is from this poster only.

p.s. Am I too harsh?
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If 3 layers don't work for masks then maybe 5 layers or better 7 layers. If 6 feet ain't good enough, then maybe 8 or 10 or 12 or 16? When will it end? Best if we all leave the bloody cities & stand alone on farm fields at least a mile apart? LOL
 
Think! If people are made to wear 7 layer masks suffocation will take care of that Covid threat. I just tried putting a folded piece of copier paper over my nose and mouth. Couldn't get any air at all. However, I have no problem with people standing 10 feet or more away from me. I need my space.
 
MarciKS said:
I couldn't read it cuz of the pay prompt so I found one I could read. If anyone else wants to see it here it is. I read another article just now where they were talking about it. Just like in March only longer. Otherwise the damage will be too staggering on human life and the economy. If it takes 6 wks to get this crap under control they should do it. But since no one wants to comply to anything I just don't see this going well.

https://www.ibtimes.com/another-covid-lockdown-coming-us-3081044
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That's why you need a lockdown. If restaurants, theatres, bars, gyms,etc are open people will go . If you lockdown everything they have nowhere to go.
 
Aunt Marg said:
I mentioned in post #5, some grim statistics related to projected Covid cases per day in the province of Ontario (Canada).

That's just been upgraded. It's now projected that the province of Ontario will experience between 6000 and 6500 cases per day within the coming weeks.

I can see severe measures implemented right around the corner for that province.
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That just the newspapers quoting this - who knows if it comes true...
 
Sad :cry:to see on TV this morning that almost 12.000 died (worldwide) in one day

Wonder if any world leaders are looking / watching how our leaders got us to what we are today ?

We are so lucky in Australia with most states open or planning to open on Dec 1st all being well
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