Are you really interested in saving lives?

rkunsaw

rkunsaw

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Some of you folks get all fired up wanting to ban guns but obesity kills at least six times as many people per year as guns do.

http://www.mailman.columbia.edu/news/obesity-kills-more-americans-previously-thought

Approximately 32,000 deaths per years attributed too firearms for all causes; murder, accident, suicide, justifiable, etc.

Over 200,000 preventable deaths per year are due to obesity.

If saving lives is really a concern you should all jump on the weight control bandwagon. Call your congress men and women.

Demand they ban artificial sweeteners, margarine, Crisco, HFCS, etc.

Call fat people names and ridicule them on forums.

Or maybe you aren't really interested in saving lives. Maybe you just want to rant about guns because you don't like them.
 

Good idea and while you're at it encourage an active lifestyle as well as promoting healthy food.
Put a tax surcharge on fast food.

May I point out that if I choose to ignore health advice and as a result I die prematurely, then I have only myself to blame.
However, if I am shot dead, accidentally or deliberately, then my demise will not be my choice, not my fault, and I will be very pissed.
I want to live in a society there that possibility is not a probability.

I also want to live in a society where it is unlikely that an obese person will fall on me from a great height, killing me instantly.
Oh wait, I already do.

How silly do you want this discussion to become? :devil:

BTW, I'm still waiting on the death by hammer statistics.
Unless it is more that 1000 pa for the US then your assertion was invalid.
 
So it seems you are not interested in saving lives except for your own.

I don't have hammer statistics, that wasn't my post.
 

rkunsaw said:
Some of you folks get all fired up wanting to ban guns but obesity kills at least six times as many people per year as guns do.

http://www.mailman.columbia.edu/news/obesity-kills-more-americans-previously-thought

Approximately 32,000 deaths per years attributed too firearms for all causes; murder, accident, suicide, justifiable, etc.

Over 200,000 preventable deaths per year are due to obesity.
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That's an interesting perspective.

If saving lives is really a concern you should all jump on the weight control bandwagon. Call your congress men and women.
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They won't answer the phone - they're out at the all-you-can-eat buffet.

Demand they ban artificial sweeteners, margarine, Crisco, HFCS, etc.
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Another good point. That would be a tough battle, I think ...

Call fat people names and ridicule them on forums.
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I tried that on a weight-loss forum - they banned me. :(

Dame Warrigal said:
May I point out that if I choose to ignore health advice and as a result I die prematurely, then I have only myself to blame.
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Perhaps not. Maybe your parents showed their love with food ... maybe you were subjected to too much advertising by the fast-food industry.

And - you'll also increase the cost of medical care by going in for bariatric surgery, having heart attacks, needing to go on blood thinners and a plethora of other Rxs ... you'll make airplanes and boats use more fuel ... increased greenhouse gas emissions ...

However, if I am shot dead, accidentally or deliberately, then my demise will not be my choice, not my fault, and I will be very pissed.
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Again, maybe. You might be part of a gang ... you might be a drug dealer ... you might be robbing a house or mugging someone. You might be walking down a dark alley counting your money. There are MANY times when a shooting victim IS at fault.

I also want to live in a society where it is unlikely that an obese person will fall on me from a great height, killing me instantly.
Oh wait, I already do.
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Grossly Obese Man Dies ...

... you might have been sitting on the floor next to him ...
 
DW, I couldn't agree more. I live in Arizona where anyone can not only own a gun or openly carry it in pubic, but here you can conceal it without a permit. I do not need a gun to "protect" myself.
 
rkunsaw said:
Some of you folks get all fired up wanting to ban guns but obesity kills at least six times as many people per year as guns do.

http://www.mailman.columbia.edu/news/obesity-kills-more-americans-previously-thought

Approximately 32,000 deaths per years attributed too firearms for all causes; murder, accident, suicide, justifiable, etc.

Over 200,000 preventable deaths per year are due to obesity.

If saving lives is really a concern you should all jump on the weight control bandwagon. Call your congress men and women.

Demand they ban artificial sweeteners, margarine, Crisco, HFCS, etc.

Call fat people names and ridicule them on forums.

Or maybe you aren't really interested in saving lives. Maybe you just want to rant about guns because you don't like them.
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Just curious, what do you use guns for? If it's rifles and hunting, I get that, but otherwise why??
 
Hunting and nuisance animal control are the main reasons I use guns. I also have them available for protection against man or beast if the need arises. There were times in my life when I shot sporting clays and targets at a range.

I don't carry a gun except on my property or hunting. I usually have a loaded gun in my truck. I've never shot anyone or even threatened to, but I wouldn't hesitate to shoot if the situation warranted it.

I've shot and owned guns all my life. The anti gun crowd have mostly never owned or shot guns but they like to talk like they know all about them. They don't even realize how stupid some of the things they say sound to people who know guns.

Most gun owners are not 'gun nuts' as the gun hater crowd likes to call us. They are the nutty ones.
 
Really good guns are a good investment. High quality target guns can run as high as 10k and have appreciated at the rate of about 12% a year, and a good trip or skeet can run 20k. Some select models will run as high as 100k. So yes there is good reason to "stroke" them but as ru pointed out some of the dumbest stuff comes out of people who don't have a clue.
 
I'm not sure if this is another way to get at fat people. It seems one of the few incidents where it's OK to bash. I know I'm fat. If were so easy to loose weight I would have a long time ago. I haven't smoked in 30 years this coming summer. That was easy to stop. Food not so much. While drug addiction and alcohol (both of which people can do without and live) are considered diseases, using to much food is often seen as no self control. I'm beyond tired of it. I even used to attend events at a sanctuary for animals until I heard a speaker make a comment that I took was against overweight people.
 
rkunsaw said:
Hunting and nuisance animal control are the main reasons I use guns. I also have them available for protection against man or beast if the need arises. There were times in my life when I shot sporting clays and targets at a range.

I don't carry a gun except on my property or hunting. I usually have a loaded gun in my truck. I've never shot anyone or even threatened to, but I wouldn't hesitate to shoot if the situation warranted it.

I've shot and owned guns all my life. The anti gun crowd have mostly never owned or shot guns but they like to talk like they know all about them. They don't even realize how stupid some of the things they say sound to people who know guns.

Most gun owners are not 'gun nuts' as the gun hater crowd likes to call us. They are the nutty ones.
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I completely agree with you Rkunsaw. We don't hunt, but would if we needed to. We have a gun at the ready at home, and have for around 40 years, never had to use it, but rather have it and not need it, than not have it and need it. We're not paranoid at all, just smart and prepared, not looking to lean on someone else or a nanny government to protect us if a criminal breaks into our home. Waiting for a response from 911 is not an option when seconds count.

We also have a few other rifles, which we sometimes take when camping in the wilderness areas, for protection from man or beast, but mostly for target practice. We haven't had to use our firearms to defend ourselves, but neither of us would hesitate if need be, we prefer not to be victims if avoidable.

I find it offensive for those against guns to label us all as gun nuts, or stroking our guns in a sexual way. That just shows their childish mentalities, and is a good reason that they never own a gun. If you're scared of it, stay far away from it, better for all concerned. Gun owners may have them for protection, game sports, fun/target practice or collecting. Regardless, this is America and we don't need to give an excuse or reason.
 
rkunsaw said:
So it seems you are not interested in saving lives except for your own.

I don't have hammer statistics, that wasn't my post.
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Sorry about the hammer mix up but I must protest that I am always interested in saving lives.
As a teacher I taught health and hygiene, water safety and protective behaviours to teens.
As a youth leader I inculcated in my charges an awareness of the hazards of the bush and a sense of responsibility for their own and others' safety. Never had to teach them how to avoid getting shot because firearms are not allowed in our National Parks.

And of course, as a mother and grandmother I'm interested in the safety of children.
My life is less important now than the lives of little children. I've had my go at life and the young ones should have the same opportunity.

PS, did you not notice that my previous post was tongue in cheek?
 
rkunsaw said:
Some of you folks get all fired up wanting to ban guns but obesity kills at least six times as many people per year as guns do.
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The number of people who die from Obesity related issues, every year, is of little consequence. The IMPORTANT number is the massive expenses they run up on our nations health care, en route to their demise. The Harvard School of Public Health did a study and using the numbers from 2005, they found that Obesity related issues cost the nation 190 BILLION dollars...and That was 10 years ago. The number today is probably well over 200 Billion per year. Most of that money comes out of Medicare, Medicaid, and from higher health insurance premiums from the health care insurance companies.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/obesity-prevention-source/obesity-consequences/economic/

Insofar and guns and gun control are concerned, there are some interesting statistics that we never hear about. When looking at the number of murders, Per Year, Per Nation, Per !00,000 people, the US ranks about number 110th, at an average of 4.2 murders per 100,000. Honduras is the worst nation, at almost 92 per 100K. Virtually all the nations of Africa and South America, and the old Soviet Union rank way higher than the US, in terms of murders per year, by population. Yet, nearly every one of these nations have One Thing in Common...they All have strict controls on gun ownership by private citizens. On the flip side...Switzerland has the Lowest murder rate in the world, and that nation mandates that every able bodied person be trained in the use of firearms, and have a weapon at home, and to be ready to serve if Switzerland is ever threatened. This kind of throws a "monkey wrench" into the gears that drive the thinking of those who would blame guns for all this violence. Gun control laws seem to have little real effect...those who would commit mayhem will find a way to do so. BTW, these national numbers can be verified by a little Internet searching...Wikipedia, Snopes, etc.
 
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I find it offensive for those against guns to label us all as gun nuts, (I've never called you nuts as far as I can remember but if I have, I apologise.)

or stroking our guns in a sexual way. (if you are referring to my photo of a man with a very big gun, it was a joke)

That just shows their childish mentalities, and is a good reason that they never own a gun. If you're scared of it, stay far away from it, better for all concerned. (That's what I hope to do. I really hope that when I'm riding on a bus I'm not travelling with other passengers who have loaded guns at the ready.)

Gun owners may have them for protection, game sports, fun/target practice or collecting. Regardless, this is America and we don't need to give an excuse or reason. (Agreed, you are in America and I am not, so I'm rather safer than you are ATM but what about your school children? I will never understand a school system where loaded guns are as essential as fire extinguishers.)
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rkunsaw said:
hunting and nuisance animal control are the main reasons i use guns. I also have them available for protection against man or beast if the need arises. There were times in my life when i shot sporting clays and targets at a range.

I don't carry a gun except on my property or hunting. I usually have a loaded gun in my truck. I've never shot anyone or even threatened to, but i wouldn't hesitate to shoot if the situation warranted it.

I've shot and owned guns all my life. The anti gun crowd have mostly never owned or shot guns but they like to talk like they know all about them. They don't even realize how stupid some of the things they say sound to people who know guns.

Most gun owners are not 'gun nuts' as the gun hater crowd likes to call us. They are the nutty ones.
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seabreeze said:
i completely agree with you rkunsaw. We don't hunt, but would if we needed to. We have a gun at the ready at home, and have for around 40 years, never had to use it, but rather have it and not need it, than not have it and need it. We're not paranoid at all, just smart and prepared, not looking to lean on someone else or a nanny government to protect us if a criminal breaks into our home. Waiting for a response from 911 is not an option when seconds count.

We also have a few other rifles, which we sometimes take when camping in the wilderness areas, for protection from man or beast, but mostly for target practice. We haven't had to use our firearms to defend ourselves, but neither of us would hesitate if need be, we prefer not to be victims if avoidable.

I find it offensive for those against guns to label us all as gun nuts, or stroking our guns in a sexual way. That just shows their childish mentalities, and is a good reason that they never own a gun. If you're scared of it, stay far away from it, better for all concerned. Gun owners may have them for protection, game sports, fun/target practice or collecting. Regardless, this is america and we don't need to give an excuse or reason.
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i find it offensive for those against guns to label us all as gun nuts, (i've never called you nuts as far as i can remember but if i have, i apologise.)

or stroking our guns in a sexual way. (if you are referring to my photo of a man with a very big gun, it was a joke)

that just shows their childish mentalities, and is a good reason that they never own a gun. If you're scared of it, stay far away from it, better for all concerned. (that's what i hope to do. I really hope that when i'm riding on a bus i'm not travelling with other passengers who have loaded guns at the ready.)

gun owners may have them for protection, game sports, fun/target practice or collecting. Regardless, this is america and we don't need to give an excuse or reason. (agreed, you are in america and i am not, so i'm rather safer than you are atm but what about your school children? I will never understand a school system where loaded guns are as essential as fire extinguishers.)
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Warrigal, I was just replying to Rkunsaw's post that I quoted in my message. He brought up the term commonly used by anti-gun people, and I told him the way I felt about the terminology. I wasn't referring to anyone personally.

No, I happened to say stroking, because it was recently mentioned in this thread. Just one example, others are when people say they are phallic symbols for men, or the men just 'love' their guns, etc. etc. Again, wasn't even thinking about you. ​ It just isn't true for the average man who has guns, another example of painting with a broad brush.

I said I had the gun at the ready at home, in case of an intruder, not on a bus...but if a crazy person came onto the bus to kill innocent people, I'd be grateful if someone was there with a gun, to stop them in their tracks.

I was telling Rkunsaw what we or others do with the guns, and that we shouldn't have to explain anything or make excuses for it in this country, simple as that.

I don't care to save the world, as far as the children I've said in the past, stop letting the doctors put them on mind-altering prescription drugs like Ritalin, and many others when they're normal kids, if they really need these pills, then do a better job of prescribing them and adjusting the dosages. The majority of the mass shootings were done by people who were on pharmaceuticals for real or imagined mental problems, which have side effects of both homicide and suicide. Then they can concentrate of getting the guns from the criminals in the streets, the ones who get their weapons illegally and always will and who do most of the killing. If they feel they need armed security guards at the entrance of the schools, or allow concealed carry by those who are familiar with guns, then they can do that also.

Anyway, to be clear, I wasn't talking about you anywhere, just responding to Larry.

 
I own 2 rifles and 2 handguns. I never threatened or shot at anyone. I did take down a few deer earlier in my life and I ate and shared the meat. Never cared for small game hunting. My rifles stay locked in the safe with my 2 handguns, which do get used on occasion when my Son and I decide to go fire off a few boxes just to have bragging rights as to has the better eye. I have an old .22 Iver Johnson and a 9 mm. Smith and Wesson, which after target shooting I bring home, take apart, clean, reassemble and put back in the safe. I keep my wife's .25 caliber Taurus in the nightstand.

I do know of a few pilots that carry a handgun in the cockpit with them, (both fly international), but they had to jump though hoops to be able to do so. I think they carry .40 caliber handguns issued by the government.
 
How it's done in Colorado...http://www.amusingplanet.com/2015/01/shooters-grill-gun-themed-restaurant-in.html


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And in Texas

Guard accidentally fires gun at Shooters restaurant, police say



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Published: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 at 8:31 a.m.

Last Modified: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 at 8:31 a.m.


FORT LAUDERDALE - Shooters Waterfront restaurant in Fort Lauderdale lived up to its name recently when a corrections officer's handgun accidentally discharged, causing minor injuries to a dozen people.

Fort Lauderdale police say the shooting appears to be an accident and no charges were immediately filed. The man with the gun was identified as Marcus Leon Thompson, a corrections officer with Miami-Dade County.

According to a police affidavit, Thompson told them he was at dinner with his wife Saturday night when he reached into his pocket for money and a car valet ticket. His Glock 9mm handgun was also in his pocket, and it went off accidentally.

The affidavit says the bullet hit the base of a table and burst into fragments, injuring several people nearby but none seriously
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Another responsible and well trained gun owner. :lofl:
 
I had an issue with weight although. I didn't think I was that bad until I now look back at photos, which we did only three nights ago while we had visitors here from Queensland and we swapped photos taken while we were traveling together with them for three months in our caravan.

I was getting close to 90 kg although I have always walked most days, weather permitting about 4- 5 kms.i have never been a junk food eater but ate very little fruit but plenty of bread ( sandwiches) and bread to mop up gravy with roast meals, stews etc.

Five years ago I was dioganised with type 2 diabetes and told I needed to loose weight at the time I was wearing size 18 clothes
The prospect of living with diabetes frightened me enough to try to loose weight, and I had tried in the past witout loosing any weight so out of desperation I looked into a diet company who I decided to join considering they gave you a list of your own food to eat for each meals, I didn't like the ideas of " shakes" anyway by taking to them they explained I was eating way to many carbs, bread pasta etc they recommended protein meals like fish and veg in place of a sandwich, which was not easy to adapt from eating two slices of bread with most meals to only one slice in total a day.

I was determined to succeed because of the diabetes and lost a total of 26 kg in weight.and HAVE NOT put the weight back on I now wear size 12 clothes
I'm still treated as a diabetec but every time I have the yearly test to check long term sugar levels mine is always normal

The doctor keeps,asking me who diagnosed me as a diabetic I answer I don't know as we live in a country area where most doctors only stay for about a year, it should be listed on his computer who the doctor was at the time
 

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