Are you really interested in saving lives?

Did you get a back round check?
Do you or have you any record of mental instability?
Do you have any restraining orders outstanding requiring you to report to Home Depot on a regular basis?
Do you use recreational drugs?
Do you take the hammer down to meet the nail, or bring the board up?
If all you carry is a hammer, does everything look like a nail?
 
Dame Warrigal said:
And in Texas


Another responsible and well trained gun owner. :lofl:
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Right there is one reason why those of us who don't insist on carrying guns or even having them, are nervous about people who insist it's their right to have and or carry the darn things everywhere! I have no desire to even be 'non-seriously injured' because of some idiot carrying their loaded weapon around in their pocket. I'd be filing charges if I was one of those people in the restaurant that's for sure.
 
Whenever I see this sort of thing (or cases where judges let off rapists, murderers, etc) my one hope is that if and when that gun owner (or the freed criminal) hurts someone, that it isn't someone else's family that is injured. Like if that guy with the gun in the restaurant sees fit to pull it out and use it for any reason, that it isn't me or mine at the next booth who gets 'accidentally' shot. It better be someone from his/her own family. If the freed criminal hurts another person, it better be the judges family, not mine. Not that I actually hope that other people will be hurt, but Karma better get involved.

SeaBreeze said:
How it's done in Colorado...http://www.amusingplanet.com/2015/01/shooters-grill-gun-themed-restaurant-in.html


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Debby said:
Right there is one reason why those of us who don't insist on carrying guns or even having them, are nervous about people who insist it's their right to have and or carry the darn things everywhere! I have no desire to even be 'non-seriously injured' because of some idiot carrying their loaded weapon around in their pocket. I'd be filing charges if I was one of those people in the restaurant that's for sure.
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There is no doubt the state will have to foot the medical bills. If the officer is held negligent by his department, is one thing. Anyone damaged could file a civil action for damages.
you only have a right to decide if you want to pack, you do not have right to say if anyone else does. Ironically karma has spoken and the people packin are guarding your right to protest. Your chances of getting hit by lighting are much higher, and getting in a car accident while someone is on the phone are astronomically higher. Perhaps your safety interests would be better suited lobbying in these areas?
 
Butterfly said:
I have a gun for the same reason I have a fire extinguisher -- I hope I never need it, but if I do, I'll be glad it's there!
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A fire extinguisher use just right will split a head open and he's dead.
A handgun, most of us would just point and shoot ,in panic,at anything,anyone that moves.
 
If you would panic and point and shoot at anything that moves, then in no way should you own a gun. And no, most of us are not like that.
 
Probably should get some more fire extinguishers, for multiple attackers, and reloading, forget the gun. Some people just aren't mechanically inclined.
 
Late last night, out of curiosity, I switched Google news to US edition, used the search words "accidental discharge". I found at least five in the last week. Not all gun deaths are murder. There are a lot of accidents around guns for the simple reason that they are dangerous.

[#1 Teen dies after being shot by friend in apparent accidental shooting in
Posted 4:09 pm, January 11, 2015, by Stephanie Ando, Updated at 05:34pm, January 12, 2015

WHITSETT, N.C. — A 15-year-old was shot and killed Sunday by his 15-year-old friend in what Guilford County sheriff’s investigators said they believe was an accidental shooting.

The two boys were at a mobile home on Thacker Dairy Road at about 10 a.m. when the teenager was shot in the upper chest by his companion, according to Sgt. T.P. Popek. Investigators say the gun belongs to a relative.
http://myfox8.com/2015/01/11/teen-dies-after-being-shot-by-friend-in-apparent-accidental-shooting-in-guilford-county/

#2 Attalla man accidentally discharges gun in his pocket
Times Staff Report
Published: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 5:24 p.m.

An Attalla man was assisted by other motorists on the Interstate 759 bridge Monday afternoon after accidentally discharging a gun in his pocket, shooting himself in the leg.

According to a police report, officers responded to a call to find the 21-year-old man with a self-inflicted gunshot wound lying on the ground beside his vehicle on the bridge. Two people were doing chest compressions on the victim, who was unresponsive.

A 15-year-old told police he and the victim were going down the road when the victim accidentally pulled the trigger of the gun while it was in his pocket. The bullet went through his left leg.
http://www.gadsdentimes.com/article/20150113/news/150119914

#3 N.J. cop accidentally shot his friend and drove drunk, police say
By MaryAnn Spoto | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com The Star-Ledger
on January 16, 2015 at 12:20 PM, updated January 16, 2015 at 12:41 PM

LACEY TOWNSHIP — A Pine Beach police officer was suspended today after he shot his friend in the leg and was allegedly driving while drunk, authorities said. Ocean County Prosecutor Joseph Coronato said his office is investigating the incident involving 23-year-old police officer Jesse Urban. The shooting happened shortly before 6 a.m.

Coronato did not release details about the shooting and said the circumstances surrounding what he said was the accidental discharge of Urban’s weapon are under investigation.
http://www.nj.com/ocean/index.ssf/2015/01/rookie_cop_charged_with_dwi_accidentally_shot_frie.html

#4 Flora Vista girl hurt in accidental shooting remains stable
By Associated Press
PUBLISHED: Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 9:32 am
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FARMINGTON, N.M. (AP) — An 8-year-old Flora Vista girl who was accidentally shot by her younger sister is in stable condition. The San Juan County Sheriff’s Office says the girl was upgraded Saturday from critical condition at San Juan Regional Medical Center.

Det. Lt. Kyle Lincoln says the incident happened Friday when both girls and a third sister were helping their father clean the house. According to Lincoln, the 6-year-old sibling dropped a rifle and hit the trigger, causing a gunshot wound to her sister’s throat.
http://www.abqjournal.com/528112/ab...rt-in-accidental-shooting-remains-stable.html

#5 Man arrested in accidental shooting of 10-year-old daughter
By: AP-TX
Posted: Sun 6:30 PM, Jan 18, 2015
By: AP-TX
COLLEYVILLE, Texas (AP) - A North Texas man has been arrested after accidentally shooting his 10-year-old daughter while showing visitors a handgun at their home.

Colleyville spokeswoman Mona Gandy tells The Dallas Morning News (http://bit.ly/1CcddsY ) that the girl was injured late Saturday. She did not know the children's condition.

The bullet went through a wall, striking the girl, who was in another room.
http://www.kgns.tv/home/headlines/M...ooting-of-10-year-old-daughter-288980281.html
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Then I searched a bit further and added the words "concealed carry" to the search. This led to a site devoted specifically to instances where deaths occurred from shootings by people who were legally allowed to conceal carry.

Too many to reproduce in a post but if you are interested each case is outlined here with supporting references
http://www.vpc.org/fact_sht/ccwprivatecitizens.pdf

And finally, just to show that I'm not just picking on America (I did try a similar google search for other countries) I can across this piece of gross stupidity, not to say appalling lack of judgement and negligence, from the UK. Although no-one died, as a teacher I was totally shocked at the thought of what might have happened. I've taken kids to visit police stations before and never has a police officer fired live ammunition in the vicinity of the students. They usually talk to them about what happens if you fall foul of the law, take their fingerprints and show them the cells. Never this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...during-prize-winners-visit.html#disqus_thread
 
SeaBreeze said:
I completely agree with you Rkunsaw. We don't hunt, but would if we needed to. We have a gun at the ready at home, and have for around 40 years, never had to use it, but rather have it and not need it, than not have it and need it. We're not paranoid at all, just smart and prepared, not looking to lean on someone else or a nanny government to protect us if a criminal breaks into our home. Waiting for a response from 911 is not an option when seconds count.

We also have a few other rifles, which we sometimes take when camping in the wilderness areas, for protection from man or beast, but mostly for target practice. We haven't had to use our firearms to defend ourselves, but neither of us would hesitate if need be, we prefer not to be victims if avoidable.

I find it offensive for those against guns to label us all as gun nuts, or stroking our guns in a sexual way. That just shows their childish mentalities, and is a good reason that they never own a gun. If you're scared of it, stay far away from it, better for all concerned. Gun owners may have them for protection, game sports, fun/target practice or collecting. Regardless, this is America and we don't need to give an excuse or reason.
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I am with you both, as I always want the right to have a gun if I want one. I disrespect people who are rude to others because of their opinion. I respect folks that can give their own "opposite" opinion without bashing someone.
 
If you carry, the number one rule taught to all students, "You will have an Ad, the only question is when and where, if you are taught this now it will occur in a safe direction, if you don't like that put the gun down and walk away"
 
Most AD turn out ok, like the lady taking on her cell phone, but looks up in time not to hit you.
 
SeaBreeze said:
If you would panic and point and shoot at anything that moves, then in no way should you own a gun. And no, most of us are not like that.
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Heaven help the world if most were like that.
It's not the most that concern me.
It's the few crazy, negligent and irresponsible ones out there with a pistol at hand.
 
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SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — Officials say a Utah teacher is in good condition after accidentally shooting herself in the leg with a concealed firearm in a faculty bathroom at the elementary school where she works.
Granite School District spokesman Ben Horsley says the gun went off while the woman was in a faculty restroom shortly before class started Thursday at Westbrook Elementary School, in the Salt Lake City suburb of Taylorsville. The teacher was rushed to the hospital.

Horsley says no other faculty or students witnessed the shooting, but some heard the gunshot.
He says the the bullet entered and exited the teacher's leg.

Horsley wouldn't release further details about the woman, but he says she was carrying the weapon legally with a concealed firearm permit.
Utah law allows anyone with a concealed carry permit to wear a gun in a public school.
Copyright 2014 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
 
Dame Warrigal said:
Too many to reproduce in a post but if you are interested each case is outlined here with supporting references
http://www.vpc.org/fact_sht/ccwprivatecitizens.pdf
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I only read the first dozen pages, but even with that small amount I could see a trend - most of the perps were either young, stupid or mentally unbalanced (or perhaps a mix of all three).

This to me would indicate a need for psychological testing for gun permits, but then you have the problem of using a pseudo-science to evaluate a human being. You might as well employ an astrologer or tarot-card reader to see what the permit holder will do in the future.

So that still leaves us with the problem of deciding who can have a permit ...
 

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