Australia Pro-Vaccine Group Against Free Speech, Won't Allow Anyone to Speak of Dangers

Not true. We have people in Australia delivering the same message as Terri Tenpenny. They are out of step with mainstream medicine but they are able to get their message out.

http://avn.org.au/

Interestingly, Australian osteopaths don't support her position http://www.osteopathy.org.au/data/Policy_Docs/Vaccination_Policy_Statement.pdf

Neither do the homeopaths
Is homoeopathy an alternative to conventional immunisation?
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]No. Although homoeopathic preparations and schedules have been developed claiming to prevent childhood infectious diseases such as pertussis (whooping cough), tetanus, diphtheria, measles, mumps and rubella (German measles), homoeopathic peak organisations still support the need for children to be vaccinated conventionally
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Homoeopathic preparations use nosodes, which are diluted to such an extent that no trace of the original nosode remains. Unlike immunisation using conventional vaccines, there is no reliable evidence to support the claimed protective effect of homoeopathic „immunisation‟ (see „How effective is homoeopathy in preventing infectious disease‟).

Homoeopathic „immunisation‟ is not recognised for family tax benefits or rebates linked to immunisation status and does not fulfil any childcare or school entry vaccination requirements in Australia.

[/FONT][/FONT]http://www.ncirs.edu.au/immunisation/fact-sheets/homeopathy-vaccination-fact-sheet.pdf
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I'm afraid Terri Tenpenny is out of step with orthodox medicine AND alternate therapies but SHE HAS NOT BEEN BANNED, nor has she had her visa cancelled as far as I know.
 

Additional, the American Osteopathic Association is in favour of vaccination of children and talks about "the rash of unfounded claims about the risks of vaccination". They support vaccination programs as a public health matter. Categorically, they say that

“First, parents need to know that vaccines save lives,” explains Jan N. Widerman, DO, an osteopathic pediatrician from Philadelphia.

According to Dr. Widerman, the use of vaccinations has been one of the biggest medical breakthroughs of the 20th century, turning hundreds of thousands of infections, paralysis, and deaths per year into a mere handful.

“When my patients question the necessity of vaccination, I remind them that it is because of vaccines that we are on the verge of eliminating diseases like polio from the world,” says Dr. Widerman. “Without vaccines, potentially deadly diseases and illnesses such as hepatitis, diphtheria, and tetanus could spread to large portions of the population and become serious threats to public health.”
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http://www.osteopathic.org/osteopat...ns-library/general-health/Pages/vaccines.aspx
 
Dame Warrigal said:
Mounting evidence?
The claims about the vaccination/autism link have been thoroughly investigated and found to be groundless.
But like zombies, they refuse to stay dead.

This is but one of many: http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...ation-and-autism/story-fneuz9ev-1226923177732
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I just wonder how he could blatantly disregard the legion of studies found at such sites as AVN. These are all professional, peer-reviewed studies ... how are they found to be "groundless"?

In science, you only discredit a hypothesis by repeating the experiment. Did he do this? I think not. He just made a sweeping generalization based upon his opinions.

And homeopaths and osteopaths? Who listens to them?!? :rolleyes:
 

Reading the information about measles I have a couple of thoughts.

#1. I always understood that the risk was not dying of measles. Rather it was contracting a co-infection such as meningitis which can kill very rapidly if not recognised and treated.

#2. The measles vaccine was developed first and was problematic at in the early stages, as I noted earlier. For that reason I declined measles vaccination for my children.

#3. There is a vaccine for meningitis now and I took a dose when we were travelling overseas because at that time people were being quarantined if someone on their plane was later identified with the disease. It was happening a bit too often for me. However, there are a number of strains of meningitis and immunisation for all of them isn't possible so it is still a risk, but a lowered one.

IMO, measles is still a childhood disease that may not warrant wide spread immunisation but watching the resurgence of whooping cough and antibiotic resistant strains of TB I wouldn't argue that vaccination is not necessary anymore. That is dangerous thinking IMO when so many people travel the globe today.
 
Something interesting about the tactics of the Australian Vaccination Skeptics Network Inc.

Over here proof of vaccination will be necessary ..
... from 2016 to enrol in childcare unless their parents declare they have a medical reason or personal, philosophical or religious objection. To document a conscientious objection, parents must take a Medicare form to a GP to receive counselling about the risks and benefits of immunisation. The doctor can then be asked to sign the form, which must be sent to the federal government's department of human services. The same form is required for families wanting to claim the Family Tax Benefit A, which is designed to assist with the cost of raising children.
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Apparently some GPs are refusing to sign the documents. How big a problem this is I don't really know.

In response, the Australian Vaccination Skeptics Network Inc (formerly known as the Australian Vaccination Network, is spruiking the "Church of Conscious Living" as a religion that is opposed to vaccination.
A post on its facebook page recommends it for people who may not want to join the US-based Church of Christian Science "in order to get their children into preschool or childcare." The Church of Christian Science is the only religion known to discourage vaccination.
But the the Church of Conscious Living, founded eight years ago, is not registered as a church or charity with the federal government's Charities and Not-for-profits Commission, but rather a business with the Australian Securities and Investments Commission.

Furthermore, it appears to have been set up purely for people to claim exemption from vaccination. An AVN newsletter in December 2007 said the church was being created to make sure people's rights to refuse vaccination are not eroded.
"We have decided to create a 'religion', so, amongst other things, we can claim 'religious exemption', if the need ever arises, for ourselves and our children," it says, adding that it costs $25 to join.

Dr David Hawkes, a virologist and spokesman for pro-vaccination group, Stop the AVN, said the church was a devious sham designed to curtail proper discussion with a doctor about the science supporting the benefits of vaccination.
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Apparently this will be of no avail to the parents but it is a good little earner for the new "church"

A spokeswoman for the federal department of health said although it would "closely look" at the church, vaccination was not compulsory and parents could use any reason to refuse it. "Setting up a church will not alter the requirement for parents to discuss vaccination with a doctor and obtain a signed objection form," she said.

The spokeswoman said there was no legislative or legal obligation for a doctor to sign a conscientious objection form, but the Australian Medical Association advises doctors to respect a patients' right to decide for their children after "the issues and risks have been explained to them". It says if a doctor refuses to sign any such forms, they should make people aware of this in the waiting room before a consultation so they do not pay for a consultation and leave disappointed.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/heal...ents-to-join-fake-church-20150127-12zcrc.html
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As I understand the parents make the choice but have to sit and listen to the risks and benefits. I like that. I think efforts should be to help parents make informed choices not force them to make certain ones.
 
That's the general idea because a lot of parents have just become complacent and don't get around to it.
Immunisation rates had been declining, and not necessarily because parents were objecting, just forgetting.

In the end, no-one is forced into getting their child immunised and provided they go through the process, they are not penalised in any way either.
 

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