Ban All Sharia Muslims From U.S. Entry-------Agree Or Disagree?

Shalimar said:
...the biggest draw to ISIL often lies in the residue left by the
western powers where we often interfered/destroyed/toppled gov'ts, cultures who live according to laws and mores different from our own, usually out of greed/maintenance of power dynamics. It would piss me off too. How incredibly naive to think we would not inevitably reap the whirlwind.
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Good point!
 

Look at the bastard in South Carolina...he didn't pledge allegiance to ISIS and he was a citizen white bread with legal weapons...Muslims are not the issue here. United States gun laws ARE the issue. But that gets thrown under the bus. No it's them furriners.
 
Wrigley's said:
Some of you guys are being pretty harsh.

Lon, take Muslims and Sharia law out of it. And let's say, hypothetically, that there is a mass of immigrants who want entry into the USA who actually declare that they have their own set of laws, and will live by those laws above all other laws. Should they be allowed to live here? (Well, Native Americans and Quakers do, but putting that aside...)

Everyone who lives here must obey federal and state laws or face charges and possible punishment.
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What do you mean about Quakers? They don't put "their laws" above all other laws. They don't have any laws of their own, other than the laws of the countries where they live.

What in the ..... ??? (shaking my head in perplexity)
 

Hmmm? I recall the Quaker underground being in place during the Vietnam War. I personally picked up draft resistors in Port Angeles that came through it. They did the same to help slaves back in the day.
 
hmmmmm....and how have "Christians" harmed our country....ok....let me count the ways.... No...I don't have enough energy to describe what we do in other countries to 'bad' people (joke) ... and all mass murders in our country were perpetrated by Christians...except for a handful... No, I know. Its wrong to blame ALL Christians...just like its wrong to pick on ANY particular group...
And let's please bear in mind that the controlled media works to keep us all divided...because blaming is Fear Based...and when we live in Fear we are very easy to control. ...I can't resist mentioning the Christian minister who openly (in his sermon) proclaimed that Mateen was doing God's work in killing the gays in Orlando and that he was sorry the police killed him so he couldn't kill more. NOW. It's all so individual...
 
Had to look that one up:
Xenophobia is the fear of that which is perceived to be foreign or strange.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] Xenophobia can manifest itself in many ways involving the relations and perceptions of an ingroup towards an outgroup, including a fear of losing identity, suspicion of its activities, aggression, and desire to eliminate its presence to secure a presumed purity.[SUP][3][/SUP]Xenophobia can also be exhibited in the form of an "uncritical exaltation of another culture" in which a culture is ascribed "an unreal, stereotyped and exotic quality".[SUP][3[/SUP]
 
Bettyann said:
...I can't resist mentioning the Christian minister who openly (in his sermon) proclaimed that Mateen was doing God's work in killing the gays in Orlando and that he was sorry the police killed him so he couldn't kill more. NOW. It's all so individual...
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Seriously, and who was that? If in fact this is true, his sermon might not be fully protected under the First Amendment, but may be considered to be Hate Speech, which is not protected.
 
It seems to me that many of the participants in this discussion are forgetting that our First Amendment guarantees freedom of speech and of worship. Saying that you don't like the laws of this country is in
no way a criminal act. People are not criminals until they do something illegal. And the day that we lose the distinction between saying and doing will be the day that this stops being America and becomes a
fascist state.

The idea of barring Muslims (Sharia Muslims or other types) is asinine, and unenforceable even if it were permitted by our Constitution. It makes as much sense as declaring that people must use the rest room
that conforms to the gender on their birth certificate. How on earth could that ever be enforced? Are we supposed to walk around with our birth certificate all the time, and show it to the bathroom guard before we
are allowed to enter? These rabble rousing ideas, designed to appeal to the fearful right wing, don't hold up for one second of serious thought. They are just designed to get the crowd cheering (and voting, and
maybe rioting.)
 
Sunny said:
It seems to me that many of the participants in this discussion are forgetting that our First Amendment guarantees freedom of speech and of worship. Saying that you don't like the laws of this country is in
no way a criminal act. People are not criminals until they do something illegal. And the day that we lose the distinction between saying and doing will be the day that this stops being America and becomes a
fascist state.

The idea of barring Muslims (Sharia Muslims or other types) is asinine, and unenforceable even if it were permitted by our Constitution. It makes as much sense as declaring that people must use the rest room
that conforms to the gender on their birth certificate. How on earth could that ever be enforced? Are we supposed to walk around with our birth certificate all the time, and show it to the bathroom guard before we
are allowed to enter? These rabble rousing ideas, designed to appeal to the fearful right wing, don't hold up for one second of serious thought. They are just designed to get the crowd cheering (and voting, and
maybe rioting.)
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Well put, that's what I was attempting to say, in post #25.
 
Thanks, Tn. Also thanks for repeating my note in a quote, which makes it more readable. (I don't know what happened; it looks as if my browser is so angry about this that it's gasping for breath!)
 
Anyone here hear of the Sharia Neighborhood Watch gangs in Canada? Groups of young Muslim men, apparently armed, patrolling the borders of their neighborhoods.

There are no-go areas in Britain where police advise native-born British people (of whatever race, I imagine) to not go. Areas where married couples are not allowed to walk together. Talk about not being able to do something not only legal -- but positive -- in your own country, because of a bunch of immigrants!
 
Guitarist said:
Anyone here hear of the Sharia Neighborhood Watch gangs in Canada? Groups of young Muslim men, apparently armed, patrolling the borders of their neighborhoods.

There are no-go areas in Britain where police advise native-born British people (of whatever race, I imagine) to not go. Areas where married couples are not allowed to walk together. Talk about not being able to do something not only legal -- but positive -- in your own country, because of a bunch of immigrants!
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Could you please provide me with a link to these gangs? I have been unable to locate one.
 
I don't know if the gangs have their own websites to link to. I do know some Canadians who were discussing this just this past week. Speaking of a really scary experience that thankfully they got safely away from.

Here are a few pertinent links.

http://pamelageller.com/2016/05/mus...ng-extorting-and-attack-copenhagen-bars.html/

http://www.inquisitr.com/3093945/sh...ce-of-caliphate-across-europe-canada-and-u-s/

http://www.actforcanada.ca/father-b...trol-who-told-his-wife-daughter-how-to-dress/

If you want any more, you'll have to do your own research! (It's not hard. ;) )
 
Hmm. It appears to me that this is hearsay, rather than substantiated fact. Sharia law is illegal in this country, our laws are secular. We do have ethnic gangs, ie, much of the drug trade is controlled by southeast Asians, but there is no record available as far as I am able to discern re the prevelence/existence of Sharia gangs patrolling Canadian neighborhoods.
 
These substantial enough for you, Shalimar?

http://www.clarionproject.org/news/sharia-patrol-german-city-atttempts-enforce-islamic-law

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http://usherald.com/a-florida-colle...-five-muslims-on-patrol-enforcing-sharia-law/

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Like I said, Shalimar, if you want any more research, do your own. I'm quitting now because this is making me sick.
 
I am not denying that Sharia gangs exist, merely stating that there is no evidence presented here that they are found in Canada. One bigot spouting stuff at a college does not equal organised gangs imposing extreme Islamic law on Canadian neighborhoods. Where are the facts?
 
Wow, graphic, and given that I have recently endured the recent suicidal death of my vets---which I posted, very traumatising. What is the problem? I haven't attempted to deny the existence of sharia gangs, only questioned their existence in Canada,

and asked for proof. I read the links you supplied, which only offered supposition, not fact. Frankly, this comes across as a blatant example of Islamophobia. Sadly, it is also all too reminiscent of the pics of battered fetuses distributed by the shock

troops of the fringe wing of the religious right of the pro life movement. This type of gore doesn't belong on a mainstream forum.
 
When I google "sharia law in Canada" there is lots of reading material --- and it looks to me that is cause for concern. Maybe things haven't escalated here like they have in Copenhagen and UK, but I get the impression that if government doesn't pay more attention to this problem, this can get certainly get out of hand. In my city we have a large population of Muslims, and from what I understand the cultural diversity by law cannot dominate a neighborhood above 40%, whatever that means. This certainly does deserve more study.
 
Christians for Canada link takes an extremely narrow view of Muslims. Muslims are not obligated to give a tithe to support jihad, anymore than Christians are obligated to support refusing to allow women to have abortions. All Muslims are not the

same, the majority are moderates, just as the majority of Christians and Jews do not believe in stoning people who commit adultery. One shoe doesn't fit all. Extremists are the exception, not the rule here.
 
Agree, Shalimar, most people of every religion are law abiding citizens busy working and making a life here. However, it comes to mind there was an 'average' Muslim family here in Ontario a few years ago, a mother and father and maybe an aunt who murdered their two daughters for being too 'assimilated' in our society and breaking some of their laws. The parents were caught and convicted and are now in prison, although they denied they had done anything wrong. This is neither here nor there regarding immigration policies, but these things do happen more than one often hears about, unless it makes big headlines like this case did.
 
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