BC Medicare payments will be reduced in January.

[Trade]

How do you know so much anyway. Likely a lot of BS to start with.

Let me get this straight. You are saying that what people from the actual countries that have single payer say about their healthcare systems is BS, but what you, who lives in Ohio, USA say is correct?

I am asking for a REAL comparison of the systems, costs, who pays, etc., and then a direct comparison to the proposed US system and the current US health system.

What you want to do is obfuscate.

Political talk is all about lying for a personal want.

You got that right Bob. That's all you do here. Spread lies and propaganda. Here you are posting in a thread about the Canadian Medicare system which you don't know jack shit about.

 

[SifuPhil]

A US patent is not a joke at all. It is for the protection of the investors that are paying to design and test a new product. The US and Canada are two different countries and the rules can be entirely different in both countries. I have never yet seen prices as high as those in that chart you posted.

https://www.news-medical.net/health/Drug-Patents-and-Generics.aspx

The theoretical model of a patent is not a joke, no.

The implementation and abuse by the pharmaceutical companies, however, IS.

You mention differences of rules between Canada and the U.S. I believe the majority of drugs available by online/mail order in Canada were originally manufactured in the U.S. under U.S. patents. Therefore, I'm having trouble seeing how patent issues somehow don't seem to effect the Canadian drug prices.

I still think it's mark-up, plain and simple. Greed. Remember the brouhaha a while back about Daraprim? It went from $13.50 per tablet to $750 overnight, and the CEO (?) was in the media laughing about it. That had nothing to do with pharmaceutical property protection.

As for your link - thank you, but I'm already a bit knowledgeable about patents, being a holder of a few.

 

[BobF]

The theoretical model of a patent is not a joke, no.

The implementation and abuse by the pharmaceutical companies, however, IS.

You mention differences of rules between Canada and the U.S. I believe the majority of drugs available by online/mail order in Canada were originally manufactured in the U.S. under U.S. patents. Therefore, I'm having trouble seeing how patent issues somehow don't seem to effect the Canadian drug prices.

I still think it's mark-up, plain and simple. Greed. Remember the brouhaha a while back about Daraprim? It went from $13.50 per tablet to $750 overnight, and the CEO (?) was in the media laughing about it. That had nothing to do with pharmaceutical property protection.

As for your link - thank you, but I'm already a bit knowledgeable about patents, being a holder of a few.

I hope you read the link about patents that I posted. Only for a certain number of years will a patent work, after that, anyone can use those ingredients and create their own marketable pharmacy item. It become public property but during the development and testing the patent does protect the investors.

Congratulations for having some patents. I also have some myself from my working days.

 

[BobF]

Originally Posted by BobF

How do you know so much anyway. Likely a lot of BS to start with.

Let me get this straight. You are saying that what people from the actual countries that have single payer say about their healthcare systems is BS, but what you, who lives in Ohio, USA say is correct?

Not at all as I was referring to you and your twisted mind attitude about everything.

Originally Posted by BobF
I am asking for a REAL comparison of the systems, costs, who pays, etc., and then a direct comparison to the proposed US system and the current US health system.


What you want to do is obfuscate.

Let see, obfuscate -- ?

Definition of obfuscate

obfuscated; obfuscating transitive verb
1 a :to throw into shadow :darken

b :to make obscure

• obfuscate the issue

• officials who … continue to obscure and obfuscate what happened
• —Mary Carroll

2 :confuse

• obfuscate the reader

intransitive verb

:to be evasive, unclear, or confusing

• The suspect often obfuscated during the interrogation.

Not at all Trade. I want all the information free from the political world and measured in the light of normal daylight.

You got that right Bob. That's all you do here. Spread lies and propaganda. Here you are posting in a thread about the Canadian Medicare system which you don't know jack shit about.

Nothing new about that. Not many in our US that know much about the Canadian Medicare system either. Again that is why I think for the US to decide wisely which way to go we need a thorough study of all these 'better systems' you point to and any others also. It should be a proper study and not just a jump into communism for no reason than Trade said so.

 

[Shalimar]

Excuse me Bob. I am a Canadian, and I live in a democratic country, not a communist one.

 

[BobF]

I just went back to the beginning and re read the inputs. Shalimar has posted a good topic. The US is in need of doing something to be able to match what Canada has and be sure all the US folks end up getting all proper care at reasonable costs.

Not sure if Canada is truly a SP system as each Province appears to have their own health system and sets their own prices. What ever it is it appears that BC is doing something right.

That does support my thinking that we should compare our system to theirs before making any leaps at all.

 

[BobF]

Excuse me Bob. I am a Canadian, and I live in a democratic country, not a communist one.

My comment was to Trade, who claims to be a communist but lives in the US. It can happen you know. Part of our Constitution allows that to be.

To me, if a person, our sport folks or people like Trade, refuse to honor our flag or national anthem, then they should be cut off from any and all welfare things. Save those funds for the loyal and supportive ones.

 

[Shalimar]

Thank you for clarifying that Bob.

 

[Shalimar]

I just went back to the beginning and re read the inputs. Shalimar has posted a good topic. The US is in need of doing something to be able to match what Canada has and be sure all the US folks end up getting all proper care at reasonable costs.

Not sure if Canada is truly a SP system as each Province appears to have their own health system and sets their own prices. What ever it is it appears that BC is doing something right.

That does support my thinking that we should compare our system to theirs before making any leaps at all.

Thank you for your thoughtful post.

 

[SifuPhil]

I hope you read the link about patents that I posted. Only for a certain number of years will a patent work, after that, anyone can use those ingredients and create their own marketable pharmacy item. It become public property but during the development and testing the patent does protect the investors.

Yes, that's standard practice for patents.

I notice you're emphasizing the protection of the investors. I'm not really very knowledgeable about investing in pharma companies: I'm sure it's done, but I'm not sure that the original intent of patents is to protect the investors. More like the inventor, no? Think Thomas Edison (who, BTW, stole ideas and prototypes, then patented them).

Again, what price human suffering?

Congratulations for having some patents. I also have some myself from my working days.

Excellent.

I think mine are expired by now, or at least they've been renewed by the companies I worked for. The ongoing technology, in any case, probably made them obsolete.

 

[Don M.]

That does support my thinking that we should compare our system to theirs before making any leaps at all.

In all this "Banter" over US Healthcare, I can't recall ANY of these politicians making the suggestion that we should look at what is working in other nations and perhaps begin to adopt similar policies here. Instead, all we seem to be getting is a Childish battle between the two political parties, both of which seem to refuse to invite input from the other side. The Republicans did it with Obama, and now the Democrats are united in their refusal to join in these latest proposals.

IMO, most of the nation's more serious problems can be traced back to this Washington Partisanship. There are good ideas that exist in dozens of other nations, and our people could reap some major long term benefits by looking at what the other nations are doing, and taking steps to begin adapting some of these ideas into our system...but, First, we need leaders who are willing to work for the people...instead of the drug companies, etc.

 

[BobF]

Yes, that's standard practice for patents.

I notice you're emphasizing the protection of the investors. I'm not really very knowledgeable about investing in pharma companies: I'm sure it's done, but I'm not sure that the original intent of patents is to protect the investors. More like the inventor, no? Think Thomas Edison (who, BTW, stole ideas and prototypes, then patented them).

Again, what price human suffering?



Excellent.

I think mine are expired by now, or at least they've been renewed by the companies I worked for. The ongoing technology, in any case, probably made them obsolete.

I was thinking of the inventor to be the biggest investor. Being the design, testing, approvals, etc., in order to get the product to the market. Hopefully enough protection to get a financial return for the time and effort involved. Something that might encourage others to attempt breakthroughs.

No rewards for special efforts might mean fewer efforts will be made.