Before today is completely over......

Look who just threw his hat in with the other GOP hopefuls!!

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QuickSilver said:
Not at all what happened Bob. What happened was that Maliki set up the new Iraqi government and all but shut out the Sunnis making it primarily a Shiite run government.. THEN Maliki refused to grant immunity to our troops which would have allowed the US to stay longer.. We had no choice but to follow George Bushes negotiated timeline for troop withdrawal. It was Maliki's decision we leave... not President Obama's.

ISIS is Sunni... like Sadam Hussein. They came into power because they felt the need for revenge against the overthrown dictator, and because they were shut out of the Maliki regime.. This is the primary reason ISIS started. In additional most of the middle class Sunni's who felt excluded suddenly preferred the Militants.. ie ISIS to the Shiite dominated Maliki government.

Iran happens to be Shiite. They hate ISIS because they are taking control of territory Iran considers Shiite. This is why Iran is moving in to Iraq... they don't consider it Iraq.. they want to take control of territory that ISIS is claiming to be Sunni. In fact they are fighting with the Shiite government against ISIS.. they have not taken over the government.

We may have been able to keep the peace by staying in Iraq, however, no matter how long we stayed, this ancient battle between the Sunnis and the Shiites would have erupted as soon as we left. ISIS simply filled the void left by the death of Sadam Hussein.
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[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Interim_Government[/URL]


The Iraqi Interim Government was created by the United States and its coalition allies as a [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Interim_Government[/URL] to govern Iraq until the drafting of the new constitution following the National Assembly election conducted on January 30, 2005. The Iraqi Interim Government itself took the place of the Coalition Provisional Authority (and the Iraq Interim Governing Council) on June 28, 2004, and was replaced by the Iraqi Transitional Government on May 3, 2005.


The early beginnings and nothing from Maliki so far.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Iraq_%282003%E2%80%9311%29


The history of Iraq from 2003 to 2011 is a period in Iraqi history characterized by a large American troop deployment in Iraqi territory, beginning with the U.S.-led invasion of the country in March 2003 which overthrew the Ba'ath Party government of Saddam Hussein and ending with the departure of US troops from the country in 2011 (though the Iraq War that commenced in 2003 continued and subsequently intensified during 2013). Troops for the invasion came primarily from the United States, the United Kingdom and Poland, but 29 other nations also provided some troops, and there were varying levels of assistance from Japan and other allied countries.
It was a period of violence and political turmoil with strong foreign influence exerted on Iraqi politics. In April 2003, a military occupation was established and run by the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA), which later appointed and granted limited powers to an Iraq Interim Governing Council. In June 2004, a caretaker government was established – the Iraqi Interim Government. Following parliamentary elections in January 2005, this administration was replaced in May by the Iraqi Transitional Government. A year later, the Al Maliki I Government took office.


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As you can see above, Maliki was well after the government had been designed and voted on previously.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_Provisional_Authority


The Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA; Arabic: سلطة الائتلاف المؤقتة‎) was established as a transitional government of Iraq following the invasion of the country on 19 March 2003 by the United States, United Kingdom, Australia and Poland, forming the Multinational Force (or 'the coalition') aiming to oust the government of Saddam Hussein.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Governing_Council


The Iraqi Governing Council (IGC) was the provisional government of Iraq from July 13, 2003 to June 1, 2004. It was established by and served under the United States-led Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA). The IGC consisted of various Iraqi political and tribal leaders who were appointed by the CPA to provide advice and leadership of the country until the June 2004 transfer of sovereignty to the Iraqi Interim Government (which was replaced in May 2005 by the Iraqi Transitional Government, which was then replaced the following year by the first permanent government).
The Council's ethnic and religious breakdown included 13 Shias, five Sunnis, five Kurds (also Sunnis), one Turkmen and an Assyrian. Three of its members were women.
In September 2003, the Iraqi Governing Council gained regional recognition from the Arab League, which agreed to seat its representative in Iraq's chair at its meetings. On June 1, 2004, the Council dissolved after choosing member Ghazi Mashal Ajil al-Yawer as the president of the new Iraq interim government. Full sovereignty was transferred to the interim government (and the CPA dissolved) on June 28.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Transitional_Government


The Iraqi Transitional Government was the government of Iraq from May 3, 2005, when it replaced the Iraqi Interim Government, until May 20, 2006, when it was replaced by the first permanent government.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Maliki_I_Government


The first government of Iraq led by Nouri al-Maliki took office on May 20, 2006[1] following approval by the members of the Iraqi National Assembly. This followed the general election in December 2005. The government succeeded the Iraqi Transitional Government which had continued in office in a caretaker capacity until the new government was formed and confirmed.


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Finally Maliki does become the leader. Until now he has been part of the hundreds that have taken turns in elections, writing drafts for the constitution, voting on portions and changes.


Yes, Maliki did get elected, he worked on the new government design, he helped with the constitution, he was just one of hundreds that put into the design of the Iraq government. It was not just him doing the job as some might want to say.


He certainly did do what he could to shut out the Sunni, but mostly after he became the official leader. Some of the Shiit religious ones from Iraq hid in Iran for most of the years the US was in the area. After the new governments of Iran began to form they came out of hiding in Iran and attempted to change everything.


You do know a lot, but not nearly as much as you think you do. In this case you were close, but wrong again.
 
Thanks for the cut and pastes that I won't read but they are off the subject of my OP. Please respond to only the original post. Thank you...
 

AZ Jim said:
Thanks for the cut and pastes that I won't read but they are off the subject of my OP. Please respond to only the original post. Thank you...
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Not sure who you are speaking too but if me, it is not for you to read anyway. I am sure it was intended for your favorite far left lady friend as she has posted some big mistakes and this one deserved some comments. Best to stick to facts and not try to create nonsense and lies.
 
BobF said:
Not sure who you are speaking too but if me, it is not for you to read anyway. I am sure it was intended for your favorite far left lady friend as she has posted some big mistakes and this one deserved some comments. Best to stick to facts and not try to create nonsense and lies.
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I posted earlier that this had drifted off my OP. Go back up and read it. If you have something you want to post about the original post do so but no more of these space wasting cut and pastes that do not pertain to my post. If you want to post that material you cut and paste, start you own thread but stay out of mine unless you are on subject.
 
AZ Jim said:
I posted earlier that this had drifted off my OP. Go back up and read it. If you have something you want to post about the original post do so but no more of these space wasting cut and pastes that do not pertain to my post. If you want to post that material you cut and paste, start you own thread but stay out of mine unless you are on subject.
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Well, you may not like it but I am posting directly to a poster on your thread. Have you published these new rules for all to see. Nothing but what you want to see. Something new to me and never heard it on any other forum before. Might be pretty hard to enforce for self made rules.
 
BobF said:
Well, you may not like it but I am posting directly to a poster on your thread. Have you published these new rules for all to see. Nothing but what you want to see. Something new to me and never heard it on any other forum before. Might be pretty hard to enforce for self made rules.
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You never heard of highjacking a thread? How long have you been online? I am the original poster, you can respond to my original post as many times as you wish, but not change the post to fit your desires. If you want to do that as I said before, start your own thread. I want my thread to be about the subject I posted, not what you want.
 
AZ Jim said:
You never heard of highjacking a thread? How long have you been online? I am the original poster, you can respond to my original post as many times as you wish, but not change the post to fit your desires. If you want to do that as I said before, start your own thread. I want my thread to be about the subject I posted, not what you want.
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Not highjacking any thread. If anyone was then post to the lady I responded too. Get your game straight at least.
 
I posted this thread on Memorial day. It featured the politicians and celebrities who are eager to send others into wars but who themselves are draft dodgers. Not all the Wikipedia opinions regarding Iraq. For the last time please post on subject or be a jerk, your decision. I assume you know how to originate a post of your own.
 
AZ Jim said:
I posted this thread on Memorial day. It featured the politicians and celebrities who are eager to send others into wars but who themselves are draft dodgers. Not all the Wikipedia opinions regarding Iraq. For the last time please post on subject or be a jerk, your decision. I assume you know how to originate a post of your own.
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First off that is a partial list as you did not note any of the similar but far left folks. Very selective and far from true for the entire Congress.

You have already called me a jerk, so what can I lose. Still have not gone for any others that also post on your thread. Must mean you really love me a lot but don't want it to show.
 
BobF said:
First off that is a partial list as you did not note any of the similar but far left folks. Very selective and far from true for the entire Congress.

You have already called me a jerk, so what can I lose. Still have not gone for any others that also post on your thread. Must mean you really love me a lot but don't want it to show.
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If you notice I posted those who who regularily tout wars. Many liberals did not serve too but how many are talking up wars? As to your need to be loved, set a Teddy Bear. I am through debating with you here.
 
In today's government, not much about defending ourselves at all. But go back a few years and who started the Vietnam wars? Who started the Second world war even before being attacked by Italy or Germany and who started the Japanese war part of WWII. I don't think any of them were conservatives, just far left liberals. Now it was the UN that set up the Korean War which the US certainly did join.

What I am saying is your position is biased and therefore not truthful at all.
 
Far left Americans on this forum? Where? Come to Canada if you want to see socialists. Lol. People here are moderate by our calculations. Sorry, Jim, not attempting to muddy the waters, but really??? No, I am not referencing Communists, although we have those too. Sheesh. Lol.
 
Dame Warrigal said:
I agree with Shalimar. From the Downunder vantage point there are no far left Americans. :grin:
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This is true... but there ARE a lot of far Right Americans that when the moderate left is contrasted against, seem FAR left. In fact.. I'm not really sure what far left really is.. every liberal I know is moderate...including myself.
 
Shalimar said:
Hi, DW, do you have Communists Downunder, as we do in Canuckistan?
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We have a lot of ex communists. The Communist Party of Australia collapsed when the tanks rolled into Hungary.

I voted for a communist once. His name was Jack Mundey and he was a leader in the Builders Labourers Federation and was instrumental in saving historical architecture in Sydney when the developers wanted to flatten the lot. He was a top bloke. I was voting for the man, not the party.
 
Hmmm, and you probably thought that he was sexy, too...:eek:nthego:
 

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