Bernie Sanders to run!!!

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At last... a credible candidate to go against Hillary in the primary.. Thank you Bernie!!!!

http://digital.vpr.net/post/bernie-sanders-announce-presidential-run

Sanders will release a short statement on that day and then hold a major campaign kickoff in Vermont in several weeks.
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Sanders' entry into the Democratic race ensures that Hillary Clinton will face a challenge to win the support of the liberal wing of the party.
Sanders' basic message will be that the middle class in America has been decimated in the past two decades while wealthy people and corporations have flourished.
His opposition to a proposed Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal (T.P.P.) shows how he plans to frame this key issue of his campaign.
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I may vote for him too... What I am happy about is that Hillary is going to have to debate him.. AND the American voter will finally hear true progressive etiology rather than the spin version the Republicans like to distort. Hillary is going to have to move a little over to the left for sure..
 

I'm happy that Bernie will run, I love Bernie, but if you're serious about electing a Democrat in 2016 you've got to be realistic about how much money it's going to take to mount a credible campaign. Bernie is not going to raise that money. I'll be glad to see Bernie debate Hillary, but I'm deadly serious about my priorities and beating the Republicans is on top of my list.
 
Josiah said:
I'm happy that Bernie will run, I love Bernie, but if you're serious about electing a Democrat in 2016 you've got to be realistic about how much money it's going to take to mount a credible campaign. Bernie is not going to raise that money. I'll be glad to see Bernie debate Hillary, but I'm deadly serious about my priorities and beating the Republicans is on top of my list.
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No He is not.. and no he likely will not beat her in the primary... so she will be our nominiee to run and she will beat the Republican candidate... BUt at least Bernie will be able to debate her and we can see what she is made of. If nothing else, It's going to sharpen her game for the General.
 
Josiah said:
I'm happy that Bernie will run, I love Bernie, but if you're serious about electing a Democrat in 2016 you've got to be realistic about how much money it's going to take to mount a credible campaign. Bernie is not going to raise that money. I'll be glad to see Bernie debate Hillary, but I'm deadly serious about my priorities and beating the Republicans is on top of my list.
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One factor Josh, INDEPENDENT. These voters can make it a new ballgame, also warranted or not he is nowhere near as vulnerable as Hillary and the baggage that goes with the position she and Bill held.
 
Wow.....I've been gone awhile and had not heard about this...I agree with Josiah, I don't think Bernie has a chance but, he will definitely put the word out there along with Hillary....Bernie has always been on top of whats happening.
 
Let's face it we're all fed up with the vulgar role that money plays in our political system. Don's recent thread covered this quite well and I thought Don's comments were very well stated. But you can't wish it all away. It's not going to change anytime soon so lamenting Hillary's conflict of interest doings will get us nowhere. Every serious contender for the presidency has to play the big money games. Bernie can drive to the debates in his 15 year old Volvo station wagon (Volvos are very popular in Vermont) and play just the role you want him to play QS. But Hillary knows how to play for all the marbles and I predict if she wins we'll all be proud of her presidency.
 
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I think Bernie's candidacy will make the race more interesting, particularly for those undecideds who actually want to look at the issues and determine whose perspective they agree with.
 
This is totally hypothetical and premature but just suppose Hillary gets the nomination but Bernie gains enough support that Hillary asks him to run with her for VP. Would he accept? Would it be a wise move? Would they win together?
 
Glinda said:
This is totally hypothetical and premature but just suppose Hillary gets the nomination but Bernie gains enough support that Hillary asks him to run with her for VP. Would he accept? Would it be a wise move? Would they win together?
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I don't think he would.. I believe he feels he would be more valuable in the Senate than as VP... The office of VP doesn't have that much influence IMO.. I think Bernie understands his roll in this primary very well.. Get the issues out there, and get Hillary to talk about them..
 
NancyNGA said:
QS, you are more knowledgeable than me on these things. Hope you are right on the position thing. :)
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Here's the theory.. Remember when President Obama ran in 2012.. without a primary? Remember how crappy he did in his first debate against Romney? He was unprepared and rusty... He had not been in a debate since 2008. I think it's got to be daunting to jump into debating a candidate of the opposite party, when you have not had the opportunity to take your debating skills out for a test drive in a primary against members of your own party. Bernie Sanders is pretty hard left.. He will bring up issues that Hillary is going to have present her position on. It's going to hone her skills.. Also, the American voter is going to be able to see what the Democratic stance is on what is important to them. Which will be a good thing considering, that so far the Republicans are not articulating what their positions are.. all they have been presenting so far is to slam and bash Hillary. It's not going to bode well for them in the General.
 
QuickSilver said:
Here's the theory.. Remember when President Obama ran in 2012.. without a primary? Remember how crappy he did in his first debate against Romney? He was unprepared and rusty... He had not been in a debate since 2008. I think it's got to be daunting to jump into debating a candidate of the opposite party, when you have not had the opportunity to take your debating skills out for a test drive in a primary against members of your own party. Bernie Sanders is pretty hard left.. He will bring up issues that Hillary is going to have present her position on. It's going to hone her skills.. Also, the American voter is going to be able to see what the Democratic stance is on what is important to them. Which will be a good thing considering, that so far the Republicans are not articulating what their positions are.. all they have been presenting so far is to slam and bash Hillary. It's not going to bode well for them in the General.
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Good point about Obama's poor debate showing in 2012.
 
QuickSilver said:
Yeah... and look how articulate the man is.. I think people can get rusty.. Hillary is certainly no exception.. So bring on Bernie.. let him challenge her. Let's see what she's got..
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Very good point. And he's an incredibly sharp, quick thinking and articulate man. Do you think Bernie would likely run as VP?
 
I don't know if Hillary would pick him... BUT he would have more power and influence in the Senate than as VP. Same with Elizabeth Warren
 
How many times have I got to say it, THINK LINC!
 

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