Biker Gang Shootout Texas, 9 Dead

OK, I'll get this back on track. How about those motorcycle gangs? They're talking retaliation, seriously, this whole thing is just sickening. Babies without enough to eat and this is what they want to focus their old sorry souls on. I'm almost having second thoughts about the whole let them wipe each other out and be done with it. Problem is there will be too many innocents taken out in the crossfire. I'm really not sure what the solution is, these people are often able to operate with the help of certain fractions of people who are supposed to prevent this sort of thing. If they really wanted to end it, likely they could or at the very least put a major dent in it. Stop their SS payments for one, j/k on this last part.
 
Hi, April. I think as long as these one percenters enjoy a romantic rep.among certain intellectually suspect members of society, this type of crap will continue.
 

Shalimar said:
Hi, April. I think as long as these one percenters enjoy a romantic rep.among certain intellectually suspect members of society, this type of crap will continue.
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You mean that one percenter movie and tv show producers that glamorize the benefits of a criminal life like showing gangsters going to clubs in 1000 dollar suits with multiple women on their arm exiting their limo. To me the glamorized gangster life started in the 1980s with the tv show Miami Vice. Movies like Scarface and New Jack City didn't help either but they were tales of power, greed & consequences as well.

Around here individual bikers are accepted. Biker gangs have one of the nastiest reputations around as being more sadistic than the characters on Sons of Anarchy. And there is a romantization because of the bikes, the bikes are the hook.
 
WhatInThe said:
You mean that one percenter movie and tv show producers that glamorize the benefits of a criminal life like showing gangsters going to clubs in 1000 dollar suits with multiple women on their arm exiting their limo. To me the glamorized gangster life started in the 1980s with the tv show Miami Vice. Movies like Scarface and New Jack City didn't help either but they were tales of power, greed & consequences as well.

Around here individual bikers are accepted. Biker gangs have one of the nastiest reputations around as being more sadistic than the characters on Sons of Anarchy. And there is a romantization because of the bikes, the bikes are the hook.
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I was so disgusted after seeing Scarface, my, then, boyfriend and I got into a big argument over it. He was cheesing and talking about how great it was and I was fuming over the glorification of the lifestyle more than the actual criminality of it all and how it would have a negative influence on future generations of people wanting to emulate that life. New Jack City, I recall seeing it, but, I don't remember as much about it, it didn't have the same impact, other than being disgusted with the lifestyle displayed, but, I know I wasn't happy about that one either, I do know it took me a long time to even ever look at Chris Rock, with any fondness, can't say, I'm still a big fan of his all that much, I still find him slightly annoying though somewhat entertaining at times.. Now, Miami Vice, I was a fan, I don't recall them glorifying the drug life, though.
 
AprilT said:
I was so disgusted after seeing Scarface, my, then, boyfriend and I got into a big argument over it. He was cheesing and talking about how great it was and I was fuming over the glorification of the lifestyle more than the actual criminality of it all and how it would have a negative influence on future generations of people wanting to emulate that life. New Jack City, I recall seeing it, but, I don't remember as much about it, it didn't have the same impact, other than being disgusted with the lifestyle displayed, but, I know I wasn't happy about that one either, I do know it took me a long time to even ever look at Chris Rock, with any fondness, can't say, I'm still a big fan of his all that much, I still find him slightly annoying though somewhat entertaining at times.. Now, Miami Vice, I was a fan, I don't recall them glorifying the drug life, though.
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They don't glamorize the life directly but when all the characters in shows like Miami Vice are dressed to the hilt in expensive clothes, driving around in luxury sports car like Ferraris and doing "business" in expensive night clubs and/or on yachts the impressionable/naive will try to emulate that. I know people who watched it and didn't see cool cops they saw style. Throw in the use of music again it's another thing to associate with "the life". I liked the show but to me it was exactly that, a tv show.

In the movies Scarface & New Jack City both good movies (I know) they showed a rise to power and a violent fall so they didn't sell the life as a secure career. But many watching don't care about the story especially since movies are visual wether it's the actors or sets/settings. I think the background stuff has more of an impact than the story because if you pay attention to the story and think about the consequences it is a violent, bloody and dangerous life not in an adrenaline rush sort of way.

Sons of Anarchy sold because of the motorcycles & attire, not the story. Take away the bikes and leather and it was just another gangster rise to and fall from power/grace. But impressionable see the motorcycles and duds, not the violence. They saw "the cool" of the gang riding to a drug deal or hit on motorcycles. Throw in the music they are selling "the life" again. Who wouldn't want to ride a motorcycle for work, listening to music, wearing "cool" clothes, packing and looking at the public staring at you in awe/fear.

Also one last thing I've noticed Hollywood doing over the last decade in particular. They try to rehabilitate or justify violent & corrupt characters by showing them as "family" men or about to have a child which is supposed to make you forget all the murder and crime they committed because it's all about "family". The ends justify the means. Eh...
 
WhatInThe said:
They don't glamorize the life directly but when all the characters in shows like Miami Vice are dressed to the hilt in expensive clothes, driving around in luxury sports car like Ferraris and doing "business" in expensive night clubs and/or on yachts the impressionable/naive will try to emulate that. I know people who watched it and didn't see cool cops they saw style. Throw in the use of music again it's another thing to associate with "the life". I liked the show but to me it was exactly that, a tv show.

In the movies Scarface & New Jack City both good movies (I know) they showed a rise to power and a violent fall so they didn't sell the life as a secure career. But many watching don't care about the story especially since movies are visual wether it's the actors or sets/settings. I think the background stuff has more of an impact than the story because if you pay attention to the story and think about the consequences it is a violent, bloody and dangerous life not in an adrenaline rush sort of way.

Sons of Anarchy sold because of the motorcycles & attire, not the story. Take away the bikes and leather and it was just another gangster rise to and fall from power/grace. But impressionable see the motorcycles and duds, not the violence. They saw "the cool" of the gang riding to a drug deal or hit on motorcycles. Throw in the music they are selling "the life" again. Who wouldn't want to ride a motorcycle for work, listening to music, wearing "cool" clothes, packing and looking at the public staring at you in awe/fear.

Also one last thing I've noticed Hollywood doing over the last decade in particular. They try to rehabilitate or justify violent & corrupt characters by showing them as "family" men or about to have a child which is supposed to make you forget all the murder and crime they committed because it's all about "family". The ends justify the means. Eh...
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You might be partially right on the style thing, I did go with my then hubby, (during,Miami Vice period,) shopping and had him buy a pair of white shoes and similar other attire for a trip we were about to take out to california. What the heck was I thinking. The horror. To think, I was working at a clothing boutique at the time. I was much better at dressing women. What I saw though, was the flash and funny cops doing a great job nabbing the bad guys.
 
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Ex cop involved in incident. Too expensive to prosecute all of the 170 or so suspects.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-charges-county-t-afford-prosecute-them.html

Retired ex San Antonio cop among those arrested.

Also, on the forums and boards supposedly this was a big undercover operation which is why the restaurant was under surveillance with police who responded under a minute. Also many point out the brand new uniforms which show up really well in article pictures. I think the police already admitted to shooting 4 themselves. Criminal gangs are not good but something isn't quite right here.
 
WhatInThe said:
... To me the glamorized gangster life started in the 1980s with the tv show Miami Vice. Movies like Scarface and New Jack City didn't help either but they were tales of power, greed & consequences as well.
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At least in the old days movies like White Heat had the criminals pay an appropriate sentence ...

"Made it, Ma! Top of the world!"

Here again we have to be careful not to throw out the baby with the bathwater. I've known plenty of bikers that wore their colors, looked like gorillas and made tons of noise driving around, but when you got to know them they were a decent bunch at heart. It's only the 1%'s that cause problems like this.
 

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