Boy, was I wrong about Covid.

[senior chef]

I had THOUGHT that getting the anti-covid shots were a complete protection. I just found out that even after being fully vaccinated SOME people are testing postive.
The most famous is Queen Elizabeth.
Here locally, a fully vaccinated fireman has died, just 19 days from his retirement.

I received my final shot just this passed week. I asked the nurse about the protection it provides. She said that she believed Covid is going to be with us forever, just like the flu.
I wonder if we will be needing booster shots ever year, like we do with the flu ?

 

[Nosy Bee-54]

I had THOUGHT that getting the anti-covid shots were a complete protection. I just found out that even after being fully vaccinated SOME people are testing postive.
The most famous is Queen Elizabeth.
Here locally, a fully vaccinated fireman has died, just 19 days from his retirement.

I received my final shot just this passed week. I asked the nurse about the protection it provides. She said that she believed Covid is going to be with us forever, just like the flu.
I wonder if we will be needing booster shots ever year, like we do with the flu ?

Google efficacy and you may learn something.

 

[win231]

We were wired & programmed to believe the Covid vaccine prevents Covid. That was necessary (along with exaggeration & fear tactics) to sell the vaccine - which they invested billions of dollars in. Later, (much like the flu shot) when people started questioning why the vaccine wasn't working, they had to come up with an explanation, so they said, "Well....uh....the vaccine doesn't prevent Covid, but it makes your illness less severe."
At least your nurse was more honest than most medical professionals. A year ago, my doctor told me, "Well, when we're all vaccinated, we can get rid of these stupid masks." Yeah......sure.

 

[Pepper]

Nice to see you senior chef!

 

[Don M.]

I seriously doubt that Any vaccine is 100% effective, and the Covid shots are no different. At best, they substantially lower the risks of getting seriously ill for those who are basically healthy to begin with. They seem to lose effectiveness, over time, which results in the need for a booster....and that will likely remain true for the foreseeable future.

We must remember that this virus hit very suddenly....giving little time for the drug companies to create a vaccine. Perhaps a couple of years from now, a far better vaccine may be developed, but for now, there remains some risk.

If another variant "pops up" as people begin to mingle, again....the whole process might well start all over again.

 

[MMinSoCal]

We were wired & programmed to believe the Covid vaccine prevents Covid. That was necessary (along with exaggeration & fear tactics) to sell the vaccine - which they invested billions of dollars in. Later, (much like the flu shot) when people started questioning why the vaccine wasn't working, they had to come up with an explanation, so they said, "Well....uh....the vaccine doesn't prevent Covid, but it makes your illness less severe."
At least your nurse was more honest than most medical professionals. A year ago, my doctor told me, "Well, when we're all vaccinated, we can get rid of these stupid masks." Yeah......sure.

@win231 I disagree. I don't remember being "wired & programmed to believe the vaccine prevents Covid." I do remember being educated about the vaccine's effectiveness at reducing the severity of the symptoms. There was nothing necessary to do to sell the vaccine. At the time, it was the only hope we had against the possible severe effects of the virus, especially at its onset in 2020. Sadly, media is what "created" the fear tactics that people were wired & programmed to live by.

 

[win231]

@win231 I disagree. I don't remember being "wired & programmed to believe the vaccine prevents Covid." I do remember being educated about the vaccine's effectiveness at reducing the severity of the symptoms. There was nothing necessary to do to sell the vaccine. At the time, it was the only hope we had against the possible severe effects of the virus, especially at its onset in 2020. Sadly, media is what "created" the fear tactics that people were wired & programmed to live by.

The media doesn't create facts; they only report what they're told to report by the medical people - like Fauci & Ferrer.

 

[MMinSoCal]

@win231 Nobody said anything about the media creating facts. Fauci & Ferrer created enough of these so-called facts. The media merely reported their version of what they thought to be sensational news of the day.

 

[hollydolly]

I had THOUGHT that getting the anti-covid shots were a complete protection. I just found out that even after being fully vaccinated SOME people are testing postive.
The most famous is Queen Elizabeth.
Here locally, a fully vaccinated fireman has died, just 19 days from his retirement.

I received my final shot just this passed week. I asked the nurse about the protection it provides. She said that she believed Covid is going to be with us forever, just like the flu.
I wonder if we will be needing booster shots ever year, like we do with the flu ?

I just had the Booster this last week as well.. didn't want it, but I felt 2 Vaccinations and a Booster gets me a free pass to travel again... 2 days later the Govt announced that a 4th jab 2nd booster will now be needed... ..I could cope with that every 12 months, if I really had to get one vaccination yearly, but I've had 3 jabs in just 6 months thus far

 

[StarSong]

I just had the Booster this last week as well.. didn't want it, but I felt 2 Vaccinations and a Booster gets me a free pass to travel again... 2 days later the Govt announced that a 4th jab 2nd booster will now be needed... ..I could cope with that every 12 months, if I really had to get one vaccination yearly, but I've had 3 jabs in just 6 months thus far

Are 4th boosters already available in the UK? Pretty sure they aren't being offered in the US yet - not even sure what the time lag between 3rd and 4th would be.

Yes, I'm with you about a booster every year or so, but not more frequently than that unless a potentially disastrous variant arises.

 

[hollydolly]

Are 4th boosters already available in the UK? Pretty sure they aren't being offered in the US yet - not even sure what the time lag between 3rd and 4th would be.

Yes, I'm with you about a booster every year or so, but not more frequently than that unless a potentially disastrous variant arises.

don't know if they're available quite yet it was just reported last week that a 4th will be rolled out soon...

 

[Jeni]

We were wired & programmed to believe the Covid vaccine prevents Covid. That was necessary (along with exaggeration & fear tactics) to sell the vaccine - which they invested billions of dollars in. Later, (much like the flu shot) when people started questioning why the vaccine wasn't working, they had to come up with an explanation, so they said, "Well....uh....the vaccine doesn't prevent Covid, but it makes your illness less severe."
At least your nurse was more honest than most medical professionals. A year ago, my doctor told me, "Well, when we're all vaccinated, we can get rid of these stupid masks." Yeah......sure.

We must all have gotten different versions of story....or those who convinced themselves No they did not say that etc.....
I TOO heard that this will prevent and break though cases would be so RARE we might not even see them....
Once the CDC found same viral load and it was spreading and not Rare they shifted to it will help you have a mild illness.....
There is No way for them to prove or disprove so that seems like a better angle to play CYA.

I do not see the point of endless boosters and each article i read have different GUESSES on how long it would last etc.....
No thanks, I am done .... is what many are feeling now.

 

[StarSong]

Information about Covid evolves as the virus evolves and as scientists, virologists and epidemiologists learn more about it.

I have no intention of making any hard and fast decisions with respect to future masking, vaccinations or other precautions. Instead I'll see where the virus and science leads us.

 

[Alligatorob]

I had THOUGHT that getting the anti-covid shots were a complete protection. I just found out that even after being fully vaccinated SOME people are testing postive.

When it was first developed I think a lot of people believed that, and maybe some were lead to believe it. Now we know its not true, but we also know that people who do get it are less likely to get sick or die from Covid. So it does have some protective value. Enough for me, I will keep getting boosters unless some new statistically base revocation changes my mind.

 

[Nosy Bee-54]

Certain people will believe what they want to believe. They are purveyors of misinformation. Only the gullible will follow them. There is no quoted evidence that CDC or Fauci ever said that the vaccine would prevent a person from getting the virus. These scientists know how vaccines work.

I got the Shingrix vaccine that has a 97% efficacy. Even though I am not a scientist, I know that there is a tiny chance that I can still catch shingles.

 

[HoneyNut]

don't know if they're available quite yet it was just reported last week that a 4th will be rolled out soon...

I hope we'll get the opportunity to have a 4th booster in US, I particularly would love to have an Omicron specific one available. If we are all going to be exposed to Omicron any extra priming of the immune system sounds good to me. Last weekend my coworker's cousin caught it and pretty quickly went downhill and had to be intubated and died.

 

[HoneyNut]

I got the Shingrix vaccine that has a 97% efficacy. Even though I am not a scientist, I know that there is a tiny chance that I can still catch shingles.

I had gotten the older version of shingles vaccine several years ago, and then last year I had a mild case of shingles. So now I've gotten the first Shingrix shot and am counting the weeks til the second. I'm glad to hear it has a 97% efficacy.

 

[chic]

We were wired & programmed to believe the Covid vaccine prevents Covid. That was necessary (along with exaggeration & fear tactics) to sell the vaccine - which they invested billions of dollars in. Later, (much like the flu shot) when people started questioning why the vaccine wasn't working, they had to come up with an explanation, so they said, "Well....uh....the vaccine doesn't prevent Covid, but it makes your illness less severe."
At least your nurse was more honest than most medical professionals. A year ago, my doctor told me, "Well, when we're all vaccinated, we can get rid of these stupid masks." Yeah......sure.

And think how much the mask manufacturers gained? Now there are, what? billions of discarded masks which will be blamed for pollution and climate change and all the necessary restrictions they will inflict on us because of that. Covid was a well though out strategy. Pity we all didn't say, "No thanks" from the start. There would be fewer covid billionaires and common people would have retained more power and control on multiple levels.

 

[Jeni]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...-cant-prevent-transmission-anymore/ar-AASDndg

ATLANTA (KMOX) -- CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said that Covid-19 vaccines are no longer effective at preventing transmission of the virus.
The director for the CDC publicly acknowledged in a CNN interview that the COVID-19 vaccine is not effective at preventing transmission of the virus.
In a segment on CNN with Wolf Blitzer, Walensky said that while the vaccines are doing very well to protect against serious illness and death, what they cannot do anymore is stop transmission.


People can believe whatever they want ..................but the idea of preventing a person from getting it etc WAS said as this older article shows.......
saying they "can not anymore" or "no longer effective at preventing transmission" means at one point the CDC thought it did ......

 

[HoneyNut]

Now there are, what? billions of discarded masks

I do have a lot of masks I won't know what to do with. I bought a box of 100 surgical type in 2020 but then I almost never went anywhere in public so I have quite a few left, plus in 2021 I received some pretty ones as gifts, and then last October my employer was trying to force us back to the office so I bought ten better rated ones. Except I couldn't bear to go back to the office so I've only worn a few of them (I did go back to the office for a half hour but discovered my chair had been purloined and my new cubicle doesn't have any computer monitors -- good enough excuse for me to keep working from home! ha ha).

 

[HoneyNut]

saying they "can not anymore" or "no longer effective at preventing transmission" means at one point the CDC thought it did

Yes, it was much more effective against the earlier variant that was used when they made the vaccine, but the Omicron variant is different and can more easily evade the protection from the vaccine. It must be very interesting to be a scientist that studies viruses.

 

[Don M.]

Pity we all didn't say, "No thanks" from the start. There would be fewer covid billionaires and common people would have retained more power and control on multiple levels.

Yes, and if we hadn't had to put up with all these masks, and shutdowns, and vaccines, over the past 2 years, the death toll would probably be in the multiple millions by now, and half the workplaces would be shut down due to workers trying to recover from getting infected. Store shelves would be half empty, hospitals would be overrun, and our entire economy would be in recession. But, we would have our "Freedom".

 

[dseag2]

Here's my response on this...

 

[Knight]

A massive amount of death worldwide almost overnight had the tendency to develop fear in people. Science did pretty darn good at responding to the need to discover what it had to deal with. Expecting perfection & elimination overnight not realistic but still expected.

So here we are 2 years later with a better understanding. Or at least an understanding that complete eradication of covid-19 & the variants as of now are not going to be eliminated completely.

But ever hopeful like seasonal flus a way to reduce the effects will be found.

 

[Sunny]

I wouldn't be too quick to throw out the masks. For one thing, they are still required in some public places, and with large groups of people it's probably still a good idea to wear them, even if not officially required.

Also, who knows what new variants could be lurking? I have an extra box of masks also; I just keep them in a drawer, just in case.