Boy, was I wrong about Covid.

Packerjohn said:
Fear and Lies and propaganda. Who is right? Who is wrong? Maybe that is why those truckers are heading for Washington!
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A lot of people died world wide so I don't consider that as propaganda. Would you agree that fear of dying prompted people to ask what to do? I don't think right or wrong is the issue. I think getting accurate information about what it was/is & may well continue to be in variants of the original C-19 will help. Meanwhile the actions taken such as masks & vaccines seem to be reducing not eliminating the effects of what IMO can best be described as a killer virus.
 
Jeni said:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...-cant-prevent-transmission-anymore/ar-AASDndg

ATLANTA (KMOX) -- CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said that Covid-19 vaccines are no longer effective at preventing transmission of the virus.
The director for the CDC publicly acknowledged in a CNN interview that the COVID-19 vaccine is not effective at preventing transmission of the virus.
In a segment on CNN with Wolf Blitzer, Walensky said that while the vaccines are doing very well to protect against serious illness and death, what they cannot do anymore is stop transmission.


People can believe whatever they want ..................but the idea of preventing a person from getting it etc WAS said as this older article shows.......
saying they "can not anymore" or "no longer effective at preventing transmission" means at one point the CDC thought it did ......
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This is a bit old, the interview was in August of last year. I think that you are right at one point CDC did think that the vaccines prevented transmission. What's not clear to me is if the change is due to the new variants, or new data. This is evolving science, new variants, new data and better interpretations will continue...

This is a link to a fact check that puts the thing in perspective, a bit anyway: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...erious-illness-and-death-covid-19/9185671002/
 
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Alligatorob said:
This is a bit old, the interview was in August of last year. I think that you are right at one point CDC did think that the vaccines prevented transmission. What's not clear to me is if the change is due to the new variants, or new data. This is evolving science, new data and better interpretations will continue...

This is a link to a fact check that puts the thing in perspective, a bit anyway: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...erious-illness-and-death-covid-19/9185671002/
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I agree
i said it was an Old article ...........the point was showing CDC did believe it stopped transmission....
Did the FDA also believe that at time of approval? If they knew it did not prevent transmission would it still have been approved?
or did some stay the course regardless of the new data?

Some people always seem to say ..."they never said that " ... or "they never believed that etc."
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Yes, the data has changed the variants are different ......
when dealing with people ....just admitting it is a learning issue or that it did not work like they originally thought...... shows honesty and maturity... while putting down people for questioning and saying "they never said that or thought that " is just insulting and untrue.

I even once saw a quote in an article .......that it was always just made to lessen the symptoms ... if that was true ... it should have been a treatment not a vaccine.
 
Jeni said:
I even once saw a quote in an article .......that it was always just made to lessen the symptoms ... if that was true ... it should have been a treatment not a vaccine.
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I don't think that is true, it was originally conceived and given to prevent Covid, and I think there is evidence it has done that. Just not as well as we had hoped or than we may have been lead to believe.
Jeni said:
the point was showing CDC did believe it stopped transmission....
Did the FDA also believe that at time of approval? If they knew it did not prevent transmission would it still have been approved?
or did some stay the course regardless of the new data?
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Good questions, hard to know about the approval decision, but now they (CDC) seem to think it is still the right thing to do, considering all data.
Jeni said:
when dealing with people ....just admitting it is a learning issue or that it did not work like they originally thought...... shows honesty and maturity... while putting down people for questioning and saying "they never said that or thought that " is just insulting and untrue.
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You are right of course. However much of the problem comes from the media's interpretations of what CDC has said, not necessarily what they actually say. None the less the CDC has not been as consistent with messaging as they could have been. CDC needs to be more consistent and as you say explain when things change and why. And CDC should be held to a much higher standard than the media.
 
senior chef said:
I had THOUGHT that getting the anti-covid shots were a complete protection. I just found out that even after being fully vaccinated SOME people are testing postive.
The most famous is Queen Elizabeth.
Here locally, a fully vaccinated fireman has died, just 19 days from his retirement.

I received my final shot just this passed week. I asked the nurse about the protection it provides. She said that she believed Covid is going to be with us forever, just like the flu.
I wonder if we will be needing booster shots ever year, like we do with the flu ?
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No vaccine is 100% protection, I think most people knew that back when common sense prevailed. However, you can protect yourself from manipulation and misinformation by staying away from fringe / conspiracy media that will have you mistrust everything outside of their agenda.
 
IrisSenior said:
Tomorrow (March 1st) we won't need to show proof of vaccine for eating in a restaurant or going to a theatre. We still need to wear a mask. In the meantime, I will wear a mask until I decide when I don't need it and I will still get another (4th) booster if it is offered for my age group.
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Me too! I was never led to believe that the shots and booster would prevent it. I will wear a mask if I go out and will get the shot each year if it is available.
 
old medic said:
About 40% of the deaths I have seen were vaccinated.
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Your ID suggests you work in a hospital. I'm fortunate I haven't seen any deaths. I've read different articles that make claims about percentages but most include underlying health problems that contributed. Do you have a way to separate those that had underlying problems from perfectly healthy individuals?
 
Knight said:
Your ID suggests you work in a hospital. I'm fortunate I haven't seen any deaths.
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I'm glad you haven't... I have lost family, friends and coworkers... And yes Just retired Paramedic after 36 years.
The biggest issue I have seen is that the way they want to present numbers, and in my opinion , is to scare more people into taking the shots.
This Bug seems to affect people in different ways... totally healthy vaccinated fall over dead with a blood clot, and (my 1st exposure) unvaccinated 84 year old lady with multiple heath issues pulled thru fine never going on a vent. I haven't seen no rhyme or reason to how folks react to the virus, or the vaccine. seen a few bad reactions to it to.
We did finally get our 1st 2 shots, but not the booster, have been sick, but never tested positive.
 
old medic said:
I'm glad you haven't... I have lost family, friends and coworkers... And yes Just retired Paramedic after 36 years.
The biggest issue I have seen is that the way they want to present numbers, and in my opinion , is to scare more people into taking the shots.
This Bug seems to affect people in different ways... totally healthy vaccinated fall over dead with a blood clot, and (my 1st exposure) unvaccinated 84 year old lady with multiple heath issues pulled thru fine never going on a vent. I haven't seen no rhyme or reason to how folks react to the virus, or the vaccine. seen a few bad reactions to it to.
We did finally get our 1st 2 shots, but not the booster, have been sick, but never tested positive.
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It's a shame they resorted to that to sell vaccines, but, then again, that's how they sell just about everything these days.
I'm surprised that so many people bought it.
 
old medic said:
I'm glad you haven't... I have lost family, friends and coworkers... And yes Just retired Paramedic after 36 years.
The biggest issue I have seen is that the way they want to present numbers, and in my opinion , is to scare more people into taking the shots.
This Bug seems to affect people in different ways... totally healthy vaccinated fall over dead with a blood clot, and (my 1st exposure) unvaccinated 84 year old lady with multiple heath issues pulled thru fine never going on a vent. I haven't seen no rhyme or reason to how folks react to the virus, or the vaccine. seen a few bad reactions to it to.
We did finally get our 1st 2 shots, but not the booster, have been sick, but never tested positive.
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I think the biggest problem with how to combat the virus is there is no set pattern to how people of all ages & health conditions react to vaccinations. Unlike past new drug approvals that could take several years of testing, people world wide wanted relief right now from the fear of death. Not perfect but weighing the potential against the massive amount of deaths that were happening world wide, doing the best they could in rapid response IMO did a pretty good job.

Citing unique people only shows how random the effect of the virus is. I expect sometime in the future verified accurate statistics will be released to the public.
 
Knight said:
I think the biggest problem with how to combat the virus is there is no set pattern to how people of all ages & health conditions react to vaccinations. Unlike past new drug approvals that could take several years of testing, people world wide wanted relief right now from the fear of death. Not perfect but weighing the potential against the massive amount of deaths that were happening world wide, doing the best they could in rapid response IMO did a pretty good job.

Citing unique people only shows how random the effect of the virus is. I expect sometime in the future verified accurate statistics will be released to the public.
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You touched on the issue. "Verified accurate statistics." That's where the problem is. When they exaggerate the statistics & lie to us, we don't believe the statistics. I never did. That, plus the doubts about the safety & effectiveness of the vaccine is why I chose not to get it. Obviously, I made the right decision.
 
win231 said:
It's a shame they resorted to that to sell vaccines, but, then again, that's how they sell just about everything these days.
I'm surprised that so many people bought it.
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I am too and remain so, but in our country it was purely political. One side being covidian and the other tinfoil hat conspirators. There was no middle ground welcome and that's a travesty. It was all so sad and pointless. Two years of peoples' lives wasted unnecessarily.
 
When I got my last booster I was told that an annual Covid booster will probably be seen, as with the flu shots. My sister in law (in her 80's) got covid after getting her first two shots..as she was in a car for a couple hours with a friend who was positive, but did not know yet.
My understanding is getting the boosters does not always prevent a case of covid, but you may see a shorter time frame, and fewer symptoms.
My guess is that the Queen may have spent time with Charles before he was symptomatic, or before he was completely clear of the disease.
 
I only had one flu shot many years ago... and got sick as hell... and only had the flu once a few years back... And knee deep in it daily.
Our son, who has health issues, many bouts of pneumonia, didn't get the vaccines, spent over a month in the hospital ICU with Covid Patients everywhere, never caught it.
 
While in the hospital, I was told by one of the Virologists that more than likely, a yearly booster will be offered around the same time as the seasonal flu vaccine. I asked him what his honest thoughts were about continuing with the vaccine boosters and he said that unless new variants that prove to be worse than the Omicron variant appear, he will be declining the booster. Then he added, "Does that answer your question?"
 
Don M. said:
Yes, and if we hadn't had to put up with all these masks, and shutdowns, and vaccines, over the past 2 years, the death toll would probably be in the multiple millions by now, and half the workplaces would be shut down due to workers trying to recover from getting infected. Store shelves would be half empty, hospitals would be overrun, and our entire economy would be in recession. But, we would have our "Freedom".
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We would have been better off without shutdowns and the cloth/surgical mask most wear do nothing, like trying to stop sand with a chain link fence, pure fantasy. While thinking about the dead think about all the suicides, murders, spousal abuse, business’s destroyed, children psychologically damaged, and societal damage done.
For the record if you bothered to check for yourself the majority of deaths were from comorbidities not the virus, in other words they died with cov sars 2 not from it, all this data is available on reputable sites.
And don’t forget about the vaccine injuries and deaths, the vaccine that does not last, does not keep you from getting the virus, and requires boosters.
Go see for yourself; https://vaers.hhs.gov/
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ovid-19-deaths-had-four-or-more-comorbidities
 

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