British Election

Josiah said:
OK, suppose in a couple of years Scotland votes for independence a leaves the UK and at the same time England votes to cut it's ties to the EU, would newly independent Scotland seek to join the EU and adopt its currency?
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I am sure they would Josiah, http://is.gd/9br47c though with Cameron's massive propaganda machine, leaving the UK will prove very difficult I fear, going by what happened at the recent referendum.
 

Scotland is skiting

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Tell me DW skite used as a verb is not used in the US and I see where it has multiple meaning elsewhere. One meaning is boasting and another is sliding (uncontrollably??) Which do you mean?
 

Josiah said:
OK, suppose in a couple of years Scotland votes for independence a leaves the UK and at the same time England votes to cut it's ties to the EU, would newly independent Scotland seek to join the EU and adopt its currency?
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A big argument before the referendum was whether Scotland would automatically be an EU member since it is part of the EU by being in the UK. People who were against independence argued that Scotland would have to wait and be voted in by EU member states.

The former leader of the SNP wanted us to keep using the British pound, but London said no we couldn't. If we actually weren't still in the EU we couldn't use the Euro. So if both of those happened we'd have to use our own currency. We do have Scottish notes now but no coins. But what would it's value be?

There will be another referendum but when is the big question.
 
Ameriscot said:
A big argument before the referendum was whether Scotland would automatically be an EU member since it is part of the EU by being in the UK. People who were against independence argued that Scotland would have to wait and be voted in by EU member states.

The former leader of the SNP wanted us to keep using the British pound, but London said no we couldn't. If we actually weren't still in the EU we couldn't use the Euro. So if both of those happened we'd have to use our own currency. We do have Scottish notes now but no coins. But what would it's value be?

There will be another referendum but when is the big question.
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Beside advocating for independence, what is it about the SNP which upsets people so much? I may be wrong but it seems to me you voiced some reservations even though you support independence.
 
Josiah said:
Beside advocating for independence, what is it about the SNP which upsets people so much? I may be wrong but it seems to me you voiced some reservations even though you support independence.
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The SNP is not talking about independence right now. I was dead set against voting yes at first, but then decided to vote yes. Yes, it would be a difficult and messy divorce but I think it would be worth it. For one thing, we would have a government that was only concerned with Scotland. We'd no longer be seen as a 'northern county' of the UK. Scotland could set its own immigration policies, etc.

I think people changed over to the Tories in the election because they feared a Scottish party having influence on the government of the UK.
 
A lot of the SNP's plans for Scotland was based on oil revenue which has since tumbled.
Immigration is a big issue in the UK, but I have seen it suggested that Scotland would need to attract young immigrants to offset the effects of an aging indigenous population. There is the fear that Scotland would be used as a way into England which is seen as a soft touch for economic migrants.

Then there's the SNP's opposition to Britains nuclear deterrent..... there are a lot of reasons why the rest of the UK, and a lot of Scots want to keep the union intact.
 
Sorry to keep bugging you about Scotland, but each of your answers seems to prompt more questions. Capt mentioned the unreliably of North Sea oil as a long term source of prosperity and as someone who's anxious to see fossil fuels replaced I can well understand that. So how diverse is Scotland's economy once you stop pumping oil? It seems to me that the answer to that is pretty relevant to talk of independence.
 
http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk/10-facts-about-scotlands-oil-and-independence/

[h=3]Fact 9) Oil is only one aspect of Scotland’s diverse energy market and economic strength.[/h]Oil is important to Scotland. However, it sits within a great wealth of many natural resources available to Scotland. In terms of energy alone, Scotland is developing an international pedigree in tidal, wave and wind energy. Scotland’s economy is also based on a much wider range of sectors – including retail, construction, tourism, manufacturing, electronics, textiles, banking, asset management, higher education, the creative sector, fishing, whisky and the thriving food and drink sector. In terms of tax take, Scotland’s returns from oil revenue are a far lower percentage than the receipts in Norway. Scotland’s economy is not dependent on oil revenues – they are a wealthy addition to Scotland’s overall prosperity.

People voted No for many reasons. Our age group voted NO because they believed the scares about their pensions not being safe. I believe our pensions are safe. I think many also voted No because they did not like the SNP leader who was then Alex Salmond. I didn't like him either, but he could always be replaced, and was.



 
"would newly independent Scotland seek to join the EU "

The SNP is fully committed to Europe and it is a major point of their manifesto.

They will be very upset if England votes to leave and takes Scotland with it.

As has been mentioned, Scotland is also diametrically opposed to Westminster on immigration and Trident.
 
Josiah said:
OK, suppose in a couple of years Scotland votes for independence a leaves the UK and at the same time England votes to cut it's ties to the EU, would newly independent Scotland seek to join the EU and adopt its currency?
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The SNP cannot just choose to hold another referendum Josiah, it has to be backed by Parliament.They need permission, in other words.However, depending on circumstances, permission to hold another one could be granted.
 
Josiah said:
Beside advocating for independence, what is it about the SNP which upsets people so much? I may be wrong but it seems to me you voiced some reservations even though you support independence.
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The referendum result in Scotland was very close, which meant at that time slightly more people there wanted to stay part of the UK.We have had a union for a long time, and more money is poured into Scotland per person than In England for example, so many Scots were worried about leaving from that point of view as well.Labour voters in England may well be upset that the SNP has wiped out Labour seats and support there.The SNP is a very left wing version of Labour Josiah.
 
Josiah said:
Sorry to keep bugging you about Scotland, but each of your answers seems to prompt more questions. Capt mentioned the unreliably of North Sea oil as a long term source of prosperity and as someone who's anxious to see fossil fuels replaced I can well understand that. So how diverse is Scotland's economy once you stop pumping oil? It seems to me that the answer to that is pretty relevant to talk of independence.
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You are right to flag this point up, as it will be extremely relevant.I'm not sure about the diverse ness of Scotland's economy
we may need an expert for that, but it may well hit them hard to go it alone. however, if the majority of Scots would like to secede from the Union, and a referendum is held again in a year or so, then surely the chance to be an autonomous country
even though it may be a financial struggle, at least for a while, would be worth it to them?I can't answer that, as I am English.
 
There are about half a million English living in Scotland and most voted No. Our best friends are English and they voted No. They weren't happy we voted Yes.
 
"So how diverse is Scotland's economy once you stop pumping oil?"

Scotland exports 40 bottles of whisky every second!

Scottish salmon is the UK's number one food export.

If Malta can exist on its own I reckon Scotland can.
 
"There are about half a million English living in Scotland and most voted No." t

here is anecdotal evidence that incomers, like me (I voted Yes) swung the No vote, as did last minute intervention by ex-Prime Minister Gordon Brown.

Most political pundits believe that if the referendum had included England (and Wales and Ulster) there would have been a fairly substantial Yes vote.
 
Laurie said:
"There are about half a million English living in Scotland and most voted No." t

here is anecdotal evidence that incomers, like me (I voted Yes) swung the No vote, as did last minute intervention by ex-Prime Minister Gordon Brown.

Most political pundits believe that if the referendum had included England (and Wales and Ulster) there would have been a fairly substantial Yes vote.
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I voted YES. And will do so again.
 
Josiah said:
A big thank you to all you UKers who've so patiently answered all my questions.

BTW some of my ancestors immigrated from the town of Acle in Norfolk in 1637.
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you should take a trip there in the future, when you are able to Josiah. Norfolk is very interesting, with The Broads( waterways) it's one of the quietist and rural bits of England.Many fine old towns and villages to wander around in.
 
I voted 'NO' in the referendum. Not because I am opposed to an independent Scotland, but because I am opposed to the type of very socialist Scotland that the SNP advocates. In a few years the SNP might fall form favour and a more centre / right party take over. They may propose the type of independent Scotland that I would he happy to live in.
We will just have to wait and see.
 
oakapple said:
you should take a trip there in the future, when you are able to Josiah. Norfolk is very interesting, with The Broads( waterways) it's one of the quietist and rural bits of England.Many fine old towns and villages to wander around in.
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I only recently discovered I have ancestors from Norfolk - Stoke Ferry.
 
oakapple said:
Ah, well, it will be a lot nearer for you than for Josiah to go to Norfolk, or have you already been?
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No, never been to any part of Norfolk. Only found out in the past month about an ancestor leaving there in the mid 1800's, a widow and her kids. My brother has become interested in a branch of the family I've never researched (maternal grandfather).

I'll probably make a trip if I know where an ancestor's grave is.
 

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