#c*cksnotgl*cks - student protest at Texas university

Ameriscot said:
Love how you throw out 'facts' with no sources. I live in Europe and my house is not small. My lot is 1/2 acre. Many of my neighbours houses are huge Victorian ones, also with big lots. But it's pointless to argue with you.
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You are a very fortunate person to live that way. You really must read the stats by country and see just how different things are. Have you really looked at how the masses live, not only in Europe but in some places in the US as well. Row buildings filled with small apartments. Little look alike homes half the size of US homes. No lots around them but maybe a path way between the two houses. Look into some of the products on the forums that do advertize costs and sizes from many countries. The differences are there. Just impossible to convince someone who seems to be doing OK and won't look to other than personal feelings being the standard. And yes I do have proofs. The post I was referring to is lost so look for these below.

Use 'cost of living around the world' in the search box and take a look at what all comes up.

Use 'cost of housing around the world' and see what all comes up.

Some of the charts and such will not be real easy to figure out, so then go to another one. Read some personal write ins also. Some of those write in's really tell things different from what is given. You may be a traveler but that is not enough to learn what is really happening in this world of ours.

What $300,000 buys you around the world does not do well where I live as the homes are much cheaper than that for the average home. I have 1500 sq ft, 3 br, 2 bath, full kitchen, 2 car garage and about 10' between the houses and about 15' to the back wall. The front is mostly a concrete driveway to a side entrance garage. We paid about $107,000 3 years ago. We live south of Phoenix area by about 40 miles. Today the newer home in Phoenix are running around $200,000 to $250,000. Yes we do have those pricier areas where most workers can not afford to go. They can not get the loans to buy them.

Open your eyes to what is happening around this world. Not all folks have money to travel with. Be fortunate for your fortunes.
 

I just found something that may not be the same I had read before but it does compare the US and Australia as having the largest houses.

http://www.demographia.com/db-hsize.pdf

AUSTRALIA & USA HAVE LARGEST HOUSES


According to national reporting agencies, the average new house constructed in Australia or the

United States is approximately 2,200 square feet (over 200 square meters), including both detached houses and multiple units. New house sizes are nearly as large in New Zealand (1,900 square feet or 175 square meters), while new detached houses average 1,900 square feet (175 square meters) in Canada.

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However, new average house sizes are less than one-half that size in United Kingdom, (815 square feet or 76 square meters). This is only 15 percent larger than the hundreds of thousands of standardized flats built in tower blocks before 1990 by the East German government (700 square feet or 65 square meters).

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Irish new house sizes are, like their UK counterparts, also comparatively small, at 945 square feet (88 square meters). Moreover, new UK houses are the smallest in the former EU-15, while new Irish houses rank ninth out of 15 (Figure 1).

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New house sizes have dropped more than 30 percent in the United Kingdom since 1920.

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Ireland’s smallish houses are built at the same time that the nation emerges as the most affluent in the European Union excepting Luxembourg. At the same time, houses in Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the United States have continued to in crease in size. Meanwhile, over the last 20 years, the average new detached house in Australia and New Zealand has increased by an amount to the average total size of a house in United Kingdom.
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And more if you link to the article.
 
Where I live, it costs $350,OOO for a reasonable house.This is an expensive area because retirees flock to southern Vancouver Island for the temperate climate. In the city the price would almost double. But hey, you can grow palm trees in Victoria!
 
Here... the price of a house near the City would be triple or quadruple that of an identical house in western Illinois..

ps... when you are from Chicago.. THE CITY... means the Chicago.
 
Australian houses are becoming oversized. The size of the building blocks is shrinking. Outdoor living space is being swapped for indoor living space. Children are becoming hothouse specimens, sitting around more and running, jumping and climbing a lot less.
 
Shalimar said:
Where I live, it costs $350,OOO for a reasonable house.This is an expensive area because retirees flock to southern Vancouver Island for the temperate climate. In the city the price would almost double. But hey, you can grow palm trees in Victoria!
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That says your retirees are then quite well to do to be able to pay that much and afford the taxes each year as well. We only spent 4 days on Vancouver Island. Saw some pretty sights, did the quarry gardens, did the big hotel near the government buildings for look see, did some of the museums, drove around a lot, mostly all well kept. I think we came across to Nanaimo from Vancouver but left Victoria to the states.

I really liked that area but can not afford such prices.
 
Sounds like you had fun Bob. They have fixed up the Empress Hotel even further. House prices in Vancouver are crazy. Most expensive in all of Canada. Close to a million dollars for anything liveable.
 
So, according to Bob the size of your house determines whether you are in poverty?
How about the small flats in the centre of London or Paris which cost millions? The owners certainly aren't poor but the home is small. Are you comparing these to those ugly, characterless McMansion in the US?

I don't know a lot about house sizes outside the UK but do have a friend who lives in a medieval village in France. Their home is not huge but still quite big. Built in the 15th century. They are middle class.

Nobody in the UK whether rich or poor, big house or small has to fork out a penny for health care. We have that 'evil' socialist NHS.

Europe has many countries, and no two are identical.
 
Annie, interestingly enough, many of the new houses on southern Vancouver Island are smaller. Energy efficient, much less carbon footprint. It would seem the huge house movement is on it's way out. Also, many people opt for rural property instead of a large house. We love trees and gardens.
 
Shalimar said:
Annie, interestingly enough, many of the new houses on southern Vancouver Island are smaller. Energy efficient, much less carbon footprint. It would seem the huge house movement is on it's way out. Also, many people opt for rural property instead of a large house. We love trees and gardens.
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Yes and we know the carbon footprint in the US is far bigger than any country. Although China might be fighting for number 1?
 
At least the US and China seem to becoming committed to doing something about it, our beloved leader is not. Oooh, I can hardly wait until election day on Monday. My kids have already voted in advance polls, they have been busy on Facebook exhorting the Millenials to vote. Simply put, if the cell phone generation votes, Harper and the conservatives will fall.
 
There definitely is a trend now for smaller houses... and it's not because of poverty.. as you said it's to create a smaller footprint. In fact there even is a "Tiny house" TV show showing how people are building very small and portable dwellings..

However, even before that, not everyone equates smaller housing with being poor. I have always lived in a very small home. I live in a typical Chicago bungalow with 3 bedrooms, originally one bath, but we added another, and a kitchen and livingroom.. I have a full basement. The upstairs living area is only about 900 square feet... My city lot is only 30' BY 125".. Would you say I was poor Bob?
 
Shalimar said:
At least the US and China seem to becoming committed to doing something about it, our beloved leader is not. Oooh, I can hardly wait until election day on Monday. My kids have already voted in advance polls, they have been busy on Facebook exhorting the Millenials to vote. Simply put, if the cell phone generation votes, Harper and the conservatives will fall.
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I have very little good to say about our conservative PM, but I will say they are pretty good about trying to get the carbon footprint down. When we got our new heating system we got an interest free loan though the government, and also a grant which anyone is eligible for. We also get paid quarterly for having this system and passing the test for energy efficient home. Although I fudged on the percentage of the time I use my dryer instead of air drying them like most people. We pay very little for heating or electricity.
 
Ameriscot said:
So, according to Bob the size of your house determines whether you are in poverty?
How about the small flats in the centre of London or Paris which cost millions? The owners certainly aren't poor but the home is small. Are you comparing these to those ugly, characterless McMansion in the US?

I don't know a lot about house sizes outside the UK but do have a friend who lives in a medieval village in France. Their home is not huge but still quite big. Built in the 15th century. They are middle class.

Nobody in the UK whether rich or poor, big house or small has to fork out a penny for health care. We have that 'evil' socialist NHS.

Europe has many countries, and no two are identical.
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Absolutely shows you failed to use the proofs I posted to satisfy your mind. Try this link to see about how the cost of living in different places is higher. Some so much higher than in the US that only the well to do can afford to live there. The lower income levels and poor just have to make do with what is left over. You accuse me of no proofs, I offer proofs, but you don't appear to have used them.

Here is one that show prices around the world.

http://www.numbeo.com/property-investment/
Here is another that shows the ratios of higher cost in various places.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/11/global-house-prices

There are more proofs of what I have posted. Half size houses and double, triple, or more, in relative cost to the consumers. A big rip off of those wishing to have a nice home, with bath rooms, kitchens, space for bedrooms and children. You can see the difference in these homes, compared to other countries on TV shows. Those small homes will do well with those of low income and no possessions. I call them to be poor people compared to our current standards in the US. Maybe that is why the US, Australia, Canada have become such nice targets for those that want to leave Europe or Africa or Russia or where ever.
 
Ameriscot said:
Hmm...everybody is poor in Europe? Really? Uh huh.
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This is one reason we ended up with housing. Just one, and since it has been ignored whenever I post proofs as asked. Some obviously don't really don't want to know about the failing and poor countries around the world. Makes much more sense that the protest planned.

Take a look at what I have posted to look at. Some really bad situations around this world. I don't know how some can say they are not poor.
 

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