California to ban sales of petrol-only vehicles by 2035

Alligatorob said:
If this really was a good idea why would we need the government to force it?
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That question should have been asked of those guys in Sacramento, back in 2007. They passed a law, stating emissions would be less than 1990 by 2020. In 2016, they patted themselves on the back for their success, coming a full 4 years early, then targeted a -40% below 1990 by 2030... just to watch it rise, in the interim, about 3.0% above 1990 levels.

While some might be gleeful at California's lack of success... we all pay and will continue pay the price for inaction. There is always a lot of talk about doing something, but rarely is something done. So I would give credit to California for doing something... even if it proves to be wrong, unsustainable or whatever.
 

Harry Le Hermit said:
That question should have been asked of those guys in Sacramento, back in 2007. They passed a law, stating emissions would be less than 1990 by 2020. In 2016, they patted themselves on the back for their success coming 4 years early, then targeted a -40% below 1990 by 2030... just to watch it rise, in the interim, about 3.0% above 1990 levels.

While some might be gleeful at California's lack of success... we all pay and will continue pay the price for inaction. There is always a lot of talk about doing something, but rarely is something done. So I would give credit to California for doing something... even if it proves to be wrong, unsustainable or whatever.
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I don't know much about that one, but emissions controls are a different animal.

Private industry is not likely to do anything there without government regulation.

On the other hand if electric vehicles really do operate more cheaply and efficiently industry will jump on it.
 

JaniceM said:
Are you sure it isn't because of the smog?
I heard smog is a huge problem in California, although I never noticed it when I was there.
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During Calif wildfire seasons, fires cause more smog than vehicles do. And same as auto emissions, smoke from the fires contain particulates, toxins, and gases. Even worse, wildfire smoke can cause diseases that emissions don't - they displace animals that carry disease, their winds spread seeds from toxic plants, toxins from the synthetic materials in burning structures, it contaminates water and food sources, and they deposit those toxins plus bacteria from dead animals over hundreds, sometimes thousands of miles.

But about the topic, I don't see it happening. Not by 2035, surely. So much legislation and political agreement, increased taxes and solving our gigantic homeless, mental health and drug-addiction issues would have to happen first. We've got babies living in Walmart parking lots, for gods sake. I just don't see it happening.
 
Alligatorob said:
I don't know much about that one, but emissions controls are a different animal.

Private industry is not likely to do anything there without government regulation.

On the other hand if electric vehicles really do operate more cheaply and efficiently industry will jump on it.
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Not if it negatively affects their profits, in which case, they'll do everything they can to stop it. And it will definitely affect their profits. There are far fewer moving parts in an electric motor than in an internal combustion engine. There's no transmission, no pollution control system... Fewer parts means fewer parts to wear out and less profit from repairs. And of course, there will be less demand for oil, so the price of oil will plummet. That's why oil companies aren't investing in new oil refineries and aren't drilling new wells; they know the ROI will be low in just a few years.
 
SeniorBen said:
Not if it negatively affects their profits, in which case, they'll do everything they can to stop it. And it will definitely affect their profits. There are far fewer moving parts in an electric motor than in an internal combustion engine. There's no transmission, no pollution control system... Fewer parts means fewer parts to wear out and less profit from repairs. And of course, there will be less demand for oil, so the price of oil will plummet. That's why oil companies aren't investing in new oil refineries and aren't drilling new wells; they know the ROI will be low in just a few years.
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I have more faith in the ingenuity of our businesses that that. All the major car companies are already building electrical vehicles and there's the new Tesla start up. If those cars really are more efficient sales will go up and a lot more will be made, even without government intervention.

If the oil companies don't figure out how to fit in they'll go the way of the retailers who couldn't adapt to the internet and Amazon, ie Sears, K-mart, etc. I suspect they will however find a way.

On the other hand if EVs really are not more efficient, and I am not sure they are, keeping the government out will let them die a natural death at a lower cost to us...
 
Alligatorob said:
Do you know how they are dealing with the recharge problem? Can you take a 500 mile trip in a day there?
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No, I'm really totally ignorant on ev vehicles, but just from pure cynicism I would guess Europe has its act together much better than we do in the US and probably in Norway they top up their charge when they stop to use restrooms or buy McDonald's.
 
Our last car before Rick died was electric. Not a long range. Unless there is a better infrastructure...meaning more public charging stations..ie at hotels, restaurants, workplaces it will be hard.
When Rick was in the hospital, there was one parking level with three charging ports.
I got rid of the car for a gas car before I moved
 
I think people who are going to still need cars by then better start saving some money. It's been pointed out that hybrids are more expensive. Perhaps they will come down in price by then because more of them will have to be produced. But the car companies have to go through major overhauls to produce these vehicles. There are obvious benefits and as with almost anything...down sides as well. But the negative impacts may not be fully realized until the massive undertaking begins.
 
I don't have a problem with it. I would consider buying an electric car, but scarcity of ALL cars is currently an issue. There are manufacturers like KIA, Hyundai and Volkswagen that are making some pretty appealing electric cars. One does not need to pay a Tesla price tag. I doubt that there will ever be a similar law in Texas since we are so beholden to fossil fuels.
 
One thing that has not been mentioned. Soon we will lose the ability to travel to the wild places and be forced to live in over crowded, crime-ridden, drug infested cities. Never again to commune with nature in places like the deep Redwood forests or the high mountains. Never again to be able to fly fish in far distant trout streams.
1984 is here... NOW !
 
Well, in Australia, if you want to go to the remote wilderness you would be wise to carry extra petrol with you as well as extra water. I suppose you could substitute a fully charged battery or two in place of the petrol. You might even have solar panels on the roof of your vehicle to charge it if you are planning to cross a desert.

Where there is a will, there is usually a way
 
senior chef said:
One thing that has not been mentioned. Soon we will lose the ability to travel to the wild places and be forced to live in over crowded, crime-ridden, drug infested cities. Never again to commune with nature in places like the deep Redwood forests or the high mountains. Never again to be able to fly fish in far distant trout streams.
1984 is here... NOW !
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Why will we lose that ability? Not that I completely disagree with you. But people are being herded into large congested urban areas where everything is within walking distance. If you mean because they will take away our cars, I understand you a little better.
 
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Pepper said:
I'm concerned about people who need to "fuel" up without access to their own electrical source. It has to be as convenient and timely as going to a gas station.
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Turn your lights off in the traffic jam!!

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Warrigal said:
Well, in Australia, if you want to go to the remote wilderness you would be wise to carry extra petrol with you as well as extra water. I suppose you could substitute a fully charged battery or two in place of the petrol. You might even have solar panels on the roof of your vehicle to charge it if you are planning to cross a desert.

Where there is a will, there is usually a way
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Sorry... can't help myself. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

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I think that in order for the transition to work the government needs to step up and begin buying electric vehicles of all types to replace aging fleets.

The boost in sales might give manufacturers enough business to justify the mass production of electric cars, buses, fire trucks, ambulances, and construction equipment to help bring the cost down for the average consumer.

If Jeff Bezos can order 100,000 electric delivery trucks imagine the impact that every village, town, city, state, and federal government agency would have on the demand for new electric vehicles.

I would rather see this approach than offer $7,500.00 tax credits to upper-income Americans while the average wage earner gets caught in the squeeze of the change from fossil fuel to renewable energy.
 

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