California to ban sales of petrol-only vehicles by 2035

JaniceM said:
Are you sure it isn't because of the smog?
I heard smog is a huge problem in California, although I never noticed it when I was there.
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As far as California- it's all about the smog! The AQMD did a remarkable job back in the 70s-80s cleaning up the air quality here in S.Cal.

But, in recent times the smog is once again getting noticeably worse, as the population(and # of cars) continues to grow. Something's got to give, or else we'll have smog you can barely see through, like in parts of China.
 

sch404 said:
The car companies themselves will move away from, and already have to a great extent, internal combustion engines to electric power. The 'conversation' is no longer being driven by politics, saving the environment or whatever. It is pure and simple economics.
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Looks like you are right, I googled it and apparently the oil companies are investing in EV. Reminds me of a saying, I forget if Benjamin Franklin or Henry Ford, but a quote about a new invention being to the economy as good as the discovery of a vast new gold source.

It appears to me that California is not edgy and progressive as it seemed, looks more like they are simply the least laggard part of the US and other countries in the world are the truly progressive ones.

"Although electric vehicles (EVs) may appear to be the last thing the oil and gas industry would desire, energy firms are investing heavily in EV technologies, not wanting to miss out on new energy transition opportunities. The likes of Shell, TotalEnergies, ExxonMobil, Equinor, and BP are all backing EV projects as they expand their portfolios to include non-traditional energy sectors.​
In 2021, several international oil majors acquired EV-related companies and technologies while, at the same time, several car manufacturers announced plans for the rollout of new EV models and an eventual transition away from internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles. The global electric car market is predicted to be worth over $354 billion by 2028, growing at a CAGR of 19%. And with the number of electric passenger vehicles increasing by an anticipated 60 million by 2026, it’s no wonder that energy companies are investing in the future of transport.​
In Europe, Shell has been just one of the oil majors to expand its EV charging network over the last year. Shell’s subsidiary, ubitricity – standing for ubiquitous electricity – is using innovative technologies to enhance access to EV charging stations by powering cars across cities through lamp posts. Shell’s public charging network, Shell Recharge, expects to have over 500,000 charging points globally by 2025, establishing locations across supermarkets, street-charging points, and EV hubs.​
Shell is also leading by example by establishing an EV charging hub in London, replacing its petrol and diesel pumps with ultra-rapid 175kW charge points, which provide cars with around an 80 percent charge in 30 minutes. This is a global pilot for the energy firm, and the site in Fulham is constructed out of sustainable materials showing how the future of car fuelling could look.​
TotalEnergies has established a similar goal, to create 150,000 EV charge points across Europe by 2025. The oil major already has around 22,000 charge points in Greater Amsterdam, 3,000 in Antwerp, 1,700 in London, 2,300 in Paris, 1,500 in Singapore, and 11,000 in Wuhan. And in November 2021, it allocated over $210 million to fit around 150 of its motorway and expressway service stations with high-power charge points for electric vehicles across France."​
 
MarciKS said:
i can't live where i am without some form of transport that i can afford that won't be easily stolen. and with the wild weather anymore what do they expect us to do? freeze to death? have heat stroke in the street?
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Ditto. :mad:
 

Yikes, squatting dog. Yours? Hopefully, no one injured. Was it a battery-related fire? Is that the battery pack behind the front seats? It is located under the rear seats? How long did it take to extinguish the fire? Looks like a foam depressant was used? That in and of itself an environmental hazard requiring HazMat cleanup? One EV passenger car fire here in Houston took four hours to extinguish.

Yeah, I've been working with Lithium Polymer batteries in RC cars since 2008. There are a lot of precautions involving their use, storage, charging and re-charging the general public is yet to learn of. I've seen a number of RC cars that looked like that.

Hopefully, states such as California and others are including scenarios such as this in their long-range execution planning.

Regards. Arnold
 
ArnoldC said:
Yikes, squatting dog. Yours? Hopefully, no one injured. Was it a battery-related fire? Is that the battery pack behind the front seats? It is located under the rear seats? How long did it take to extinguish the fire? Looks like a foam depressant was used? That in and of itself an environmental hazard requiring HazMat cleanup? One EV passenger car fire here in Houston took four hours to extinguish.

Yeah, I've been working with Lithium Polymer batteries in RC cars since 2008. There are a lot of precautions involving their use, storage, charging and re-charging the general public is yet to learn of. I've seen a number of RC cars that looked like that.

Hopefully, states such as California and others are including scenarios such as this in their long-range execution planning.

Regards. Arnold
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Not mine. I'm not ready for an EV. There is a lot that has to happen before then. You're right about the hazmat cleanup's that nobody ever mentions.
The owners story...
On June 16, I plugged the car in before going to bed. In the morning of June 17, I woke up and unplugged the car. Later that morning, I set out to run some errands. I drove about 12 miles that morning before returning back home and parking the car back in the garage, leaving the garage door open. As I was doing things at home, I heard pops coming from the garage. I decided to go see where the sounds were coming from, and upon walking into the garage, I faced a thick wall of smoke. My thought immediately was, ‘When there is smoke there is fire,’ and I need to get the car out of the house garage.
 
HoneyNut said:
Yes the price has kept me from seriously looking at hybrids in the past, but I was googling prices just now and apparently there is an expectation that the Honda Civic Hybrid 2024 model will cost less than 26k, and if it qualifies for a tax credit (I don't know if it does) that would take the cost down to the price of the regular combustion version.
I noticed while googling that Honda itself has a zero emission goal by 2040.
Worse case all the richer people will trade up to newer versions of EV vehicles and so then we'd get used car prices for the older ev's.
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i can't afford that.
 
Nathan said:
Shifting away from petrochemical technology is just the sensible route, considering the level of pollution, the climatic damage and the plain fact that fossil fuel materials will be becoming more scare, not to mention costly to obtain.
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Gotta dis-agree when it comes to fossil fuels. We are not pumping dead dinosaurs from the earth anymore. Oil is formed from the decomposing remains of marine plants and animals, including us Therefore, I maintain that oil is the ultimate renewable source. As long as there is plant life and animal life on this planet, oil will continue to be produced.
 
HoneyNut said:
Looks like you are right, I googled it and apparently the oil companies are investing in EV. Reminds me of a saying, I forget if Benjamin Franklin or Henry Ford, but a quote about a new invention being to the economy as good as the discovery of a vast new gold source.

It appears to me that California is not edgy and progressive as it seemed, looks more like they are simply the least laggard part of the US and other countries in the world are the truly progressive ones.

"Although electric vehicles (EVs) may appear to be the last thing the oil and gas industry would desire, energy firms are investing heavily in EV technologies, not wanting to miss out on new energy transition opportunities. The likes of Shell, TotalEnergies, ExxonMobil, Equinor, and BP are all backing EV projects as they expand their portfolios to include non-traditional energy sectors.​
In 2021, several international oil majors acquired EV-related companies and technologies while, at the same time, several car manufacturers announced plans for the rollout of new EV models and an eventual transition away from internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles. The global electric car market is predicted to be worth over $354 billion by 2028, growing at a CAGR of 19%. And with the number of electric passenger vehicles increasing by an anticipated 60 million by 2026, it’s no wonder that energy companies are investing in the future of transport.​
In Europe, Shell has been just one of the oil majors to expand its EV charging network over the last year. Shell’s subsidiary, ubitricity – standing for ubiquitous electricity – is using innovative technologies to enhance access to EV charging stations by powering cars across cities through lamp posts. Shell’s public charging network, Shell Recharge, expects to have over 500,000 charging points globally by 2025, establishing locations across supermarkets, street-charging points, and EV hubs.​
Shell is also leading by example by establishing an EV charging hub in London, replacing its petrol and diesel pumps with ultra-rapid 175kW charge points, which provide cars with around an 80 percent charge in 30 minutes. This is a global pilot for the energy firm, and the site in Fulham is constructed out of sustainable materials showing how the future of car fuelling could look.​
TotalEnergies has established a similar goal, to create 150,000 EV charge points across Europe by 2025. The oil major already has around 22,000 charge points in Greater Amsterdam, 3,000 in Antwerp, 1,700 in London, 2,300 in Paris, 1,500 in Singapore, and 11,000 in Wuhan. And in November 2021, it allocated over $210 million to fit around 150 of its motorway and expressway service stations with high-power charge points for electric vehicles across France."​
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Converting cars to electric still provides a huge market for fossil fuel energy. Most of the electricity produced in the U.S. still comprises fossil fuels, 60.8%. Of that percentage 22% is from burning coal, 38% is from natural gas. Nuclear provides 19% and renewable energy 20% https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/electricity/electricity-in-the-us.php
 
sch404 said:
Converting cars to electric still provides a huge market for fossil fuel energy. Most of the electricity produced in the U.S. still comprises fossil fuels, 60.8%. Of that percentage 22% is from burning coal, 38% is from natural gas. Nuclear provides 19% and renewable energy 20% https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/electricity/electricity-in-the-us.php
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Good point. If all cars were electric, an additional 27% more electrical capacity would be required... at 2,000,000 Bbls per day. Of course, if all cars were electric... would there be a need for 10,000,000 Bbls per day of gasoline?
 
Paco Dennis said:
This not enough to do much of anything to stop/slow global warning. It will take the whole world to cooperate with DOING something instead of putting it off. We are all going to have to make sacrifices for this to happen. If we follow the current policies we will be in trouble soon as this graph indicates.

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"The difference in temperature rise between the scenarios has stark consequences for global ecosystems and human well-being. The higher the temperature rise, the greater the risks of severe weather events such as extreme heat, drought, river and coastal flooding and crop failures. Even during the last decade, with an average temperature rise of 1.1 °C above pre-industrial levels, extreme heat events occurred almost three-times more frequently than in pre-industrial times. In the STEPS, around 2050, there would be a 100% increase in the frequency of extreme heat events compared to today and these would be around 120% more intense; there would also be a 40% increase in ecological droughts that would be around 100% more intense. In the NZE, the increase in frequency of extreme heat events would be lower at around 45% and ecological droughts would be less than 20% more frequent.

By 2100, as the temperature trajectories of the scenarios diverge, differences in the frequency and intensity of extreme weather events would become even more stark. There is around a 10% chance that the rise in temperature in the STEPS would exceed 3.5 °C in 2100. This would lead to an 80-130% increase in the frequency of ecological droughts and a two-to-threefold increase in their intensity. Extreme rainfall would happen up to twice as often as today and be three-to-four-times more intense. The risk of ice sheet collapse and disruptions to ocean circulation currents would also be substantially higher.5 This in turn could precipitate irreversible changes in the permafrost, boreal forests and the Amazon rain forest, potentially accelerating warming."

https://www.iea.org/reports/world-energy-outlook-2021/scenario-trajectories-and-temperature-outcomes
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Who funds the IEA?
 
MarciKS said:
i can't afford that.
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I wouldn’t worry too much.

Conventional cars will be with us for our lifetime and beyond.

Many different options will be tried to keep transportation within reach for the average American. Not because there is big concern for our wellbeing, but because there’s a big market to provide transportation for working people.

"Rich fellas come up an' they die, an' their kids ain't no good an' they die out.But we keep a'comin'. We're the people that live. They can't wipe us out; they can't lick us.” - Ma Joad
 
Jackie23 said:
Electric cars are the cars of the future, little by little they will be improved for the masses and the environment in spite of all the criticism.
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I don’t think anyone is denying that it will happen but there is no real exit strategy to reduce the waste gas powered vehicles will leave in its wake. I will repeat myself, where is the strategy for other large polluting countries to refrain from the pollutants that “we” have them make for us in our products we purchase? We have NIMBY(ed) (not in my back yard) for so long by sending our polluting companies to other countries but still on our same planet. Let’s us not be self righteous.
 
Solid state batteries have the potential to be far safer and more reliable than the currently used lithium batteries. One car manufacturer, I forget which, is planning on rolling out a new EV with solid state batteries next year. We're living in technologically exciting times. One day, all vehicles will be electric.
 

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