Church service with drag show

Nathan said:
Any Christian denomination that follows the teachings of Jesus Christ believes that Jesus died to save everyone's souls.
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Absolutely
Save their souls...from themselves
But, by no means to promote their sin filled ways

Galatians 5:17-21
17 For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, 21 envy,[a] drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do[b] such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
 

After listening to the link about what the Unitarian Universalists believe they sound much more Humanist than Christian. In fact there was a lot of emphasis on self-love which is contrary to the Christian belief that we should examine ourselves for faults and subject our own will to God.

When listing their core beliefs it sounded more political than religious. I wonder if their inclusion of all people, includes people who are against abortion or (gasp) Republicans?

Jesus loved all people and forgave any person who repented their sins, but that repentance part was required and he often told people he had just forgiven to, "Go and sin no more."
 
SO? not main stream or even medium stream christianity practices then- waste of space - not even moderately entertaining?
 
Paco Dennis said:
I was there. I took this picture.

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(apr. fool)
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Looking at this photo I would like to say that good times have come, where love and friendship rule. Because in the 16th century, this priest would have sent these beauties to the stake.
 
I used to attend a buddhist temple meeting once a week for a year or so - no dancing there either - silent meditation for 30 - 60 mins and then the bell rings and the head monk gives a soliloquy - then we break for cup of tea and biscuit and join the queue if ya wanna get some wisdom from the monks! and no fancy dresses - just brown robes very modest?
 
Cof E ; RC's ; fundamentalists ; C of G ; C of C ; Pentecostals etc etc and now the Unitarian churches ; buddhism ; hinduism; Islam- sounds like the tower of babel story where no one spoke in the same tongues? and so all were confused ?? -

anyway back to the Unitarian mob, here is a link that explains in detail what they believe in and how they do it? we do go round and round and circles sometimes here and get our underwear in knots?

unitarianism
 
old medic said:
True, and those who follow are not to judge.... BUT... it doesn't mean they have to ACCEPT others behavior....
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You raise an interesting point. Acceptance and judgment are indeed intertwined in many ways. While acceptance can be seen as the opposite of judgment, it often requires a certain level of evaluation or discernment ( judgement ) to determine what is acceptable or not.
 
I think that what this church believes and how they run their services is none of my business.

Abortion was just mentioned here, I think that a woman's medical decisions should be hers alone, with the guidance of her doctor, that is none of my business and nobody else's.

As long as this type of service doesn't come to your particular church, it should be of no concern and none of your business.

I don't see these people pushing their beliefs and insisting that others follow them, which unfortunately is something I cannot say of most Christians.
 
From @davey's link about what Unitarians believe: "Originally a scripturally oriented denomination, in the mid-nineteenth century it became a religion of reason and liberal theology'"

That's the problem. Once they gave up scripture as their guide and instead, followed their own reason they were moving away from the Christian faith, and into their own ideas and general public thought of the moment.

Gary O brought up Galatians and while I was reading the passage he quoted I saw this verse, Galatians 1:10 where Paul was warning the congregation about this very thing, telling them to ask themselves, " Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ."

I've known some Unitarians and they were really cool, very intelligent people and I'm not saying they shouldn't believe what they want to believe or worship however they like. I just wouldn't call them Christians when they've deliberately rejected the teachings of Christ to follow their own "reason."
 
SeaBreeze said:
I think that what this church believes and how they run their services is none of my business.

Abortion was just mentioned here, I think that a woman's medical decisions should be hers alone, with the guidance of her doctor, that is none of my business and nobody else's.

As long as this type of service doesn't come to your particular church, it should be of no concern and none of your business.

I don't see these people pushing their beliefs and insisting that others follow them, which unfortunately is something I cannot say of most Christians.
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That's what this thread is about. If you don't think it's right to discuss other religions I'm surprised you've joined in this thread from the beginning. I'm also surprised you're claiming that Christians have insisted that you follow their beliefs.

I don't know where you live, but in the United States we have freedom of religion and that includes discussing the different denominations and what they believe. Learning about and discussing what other's believe is all part of making our own choices. I've never known any adult who was forced to attend a church against their will.
 
Della said:
From @davey's link about what Unitarians believe: "Originally a scripturally oriented denomination, in the mid-nineteenth century it became a religion of reason and liberal theology'"

That's the problem. Once they gave up scripture as their guide and instead, followed their own reason they were moving away from the Christian faith, and into their own ideas and general public thought of the moment.

Gary O brought up Galatians and while I was reading the passage he quoted I saw this verse, Galatians 1:10 where Paul was warning the congregation about this very thing, telling them to ask themselves, " Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ."

I've known some Unitarians and they were really cool, very intelligent people and I'm not saying they shouldn't believe what they want to believe or worship however they like. I just wouldn't call them Christians when they've deliberately rejected the teachings of Christ to follow their own "reason."
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a succint and clear analysis! I can invent a "new religion" tomorrow - we all can - even Peter the disciple got his thinkin wrong and I believe was cruxified upside down if my memory serves me right - and when Christ apparently said to Peter " and petros [small rock] you are the rock but on this petra [large rock] I will build my church - Christ was not saying he would build the new church on Peter ; how ludicrous but the church would be built on the Christ!!
 
LoveTulips said:
I think drag queens can perform at their own venues but I have to say I'm not for having them perform at a church service:
'Every life is sacred': Calgary church combines drag show with Easter Sunday service
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Being a Brit, I have an appreciation of drag. For example, we get drag shows every year as a Christmas tradition. There's nothing weird about it, in fact, it's all good fun for both adults and kids.

Today, in the US, it seems to me that drag is being attacked because of associations with the LBQsomething+ movement. For me, they're different things. Drag is an art form, not a lifestyle that is being promoted the vulnerable kids. There's simply too much fear these days.

Whether drag elements belong in a church is for the congregation to decide.
 
Della said:
That's what this thread is about. If you don't think it's right to discuss other religions I'm surprised you've joined in this thread from the beginning. I'm also surprised you're claiming that Christians have insisted that you follow their beliefs.

I don't know where you live, but in the United States we have freedom of religion and that includes discussing the different denominations and what they believe. Learning about and discussing what other's believe is all part of making our own choices. I've never known any adult who was forced to attend a church against their will.
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I believe in freedom of religions when all religions are included. For those who follow no organized religion, they should have freedom from religion.

I didn't say it's not right to discuss other religions, that is why I posted in this thread, which is the main topic, and news flash, it's not about Christians. Discuss all you want, I, unlike many Christians, don't insist that you agree with anything I said, and don't expect you to.

When Christians open a business to the public for financial gain, then refuse to give service to customers because they are LGBTQ, that is forcing others to abide by their beliefs.

I was born and raised in the United States of America, and I've met enough "born agains" who tried to shove their religion down my throat and of other people I know. Many Christians aren't tolerant of those who worship differently, look different than them or don't follow their interpretations of their bibles. That is unfortunate and a bit hypocritical, very much unlike the way Jesus would have behaved. There are some true Christians who are loving towards all people and try to follow in the footsteps of Christ, but those are few and far between from my observations.
 
stretching a point a little ...............one could argue that the dress code of the high priests with the C of E ; RC and Russian Orthodox churches all present a high priest in drag??
 
jlhog said:
Letting them attend the service is one thing. Letting them preform and let it all hang out is another. That is like letting a murder attend and kill people during the service. Or maybe a rapist can preform what he likes to do at the service. There needs to be a line drawn at some point.
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What, exactly, do you think drag artists are going to do, or attempt to do? Why are you threatened by them?

I'm just trying to understand where the angst comes from.
 
jlhog said:
Letting them attend the service is one thing. Letting them preform and let it all hang out is another. That is like letting a murder attend and kill people during the service. Or maybe a rapist can preform what he likes to do at the service. There needs to be a line drawn at some point.
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They should be more sneaky at the service and keep their rapes and pedophilia behind the back curtains like the Catholic priests do.
 
VaughanJB said:
What, exactly, do you think drag artists are going to do, or attempt to do? Why are you threatened by them?

I'm just trying to understand where the angst comes from.
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Erhmm all personal viewpoints here and sometimes clouded memories on half finished bottles of scotch/bourbon? - I think the main angst as you put it was mainly not coming so much from the attire but the performance of dancing in such attire? - and what is wrong with that ? - well lets take it further and say - attire can also be swimwear in any form desired?
 
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