Civil Rights Law Protects Gay and Transgender Workers, Supreme Court Rules

LOL, this is what you sound like, rgp.

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Just holding up a mirror to you, rgp.

"What i did say is, no one is going to tell me how to run my business, I will hire & fire whom I choose."
 

Sunny said:
Just holding up a mirror to you, rgp.

"What i did say is, no one is going to tell me how to run my business, I will hire & fire whom I choose."
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Bear in mind, @Sunny, he's describing an imaginary business. Many are all-powerful with immensely successful businesses, marriages, relationships with family, etc., in the hypothetical world. Those things are a whole lot tougher to pull off on planet earth.
 
So @rgp you say you don't want to be told how to run your business. So obviously you don't like the idea of being told by law that you would have to hire certain people. If I'm wrong on this then just ignore it and move on. I'm just trying to understand why someone wouldn't want to hire someone like this. So let's just take this gay/transgender as a hypothetical. He's smart, he's a workhorse, he's the best applicant you've had walk in the door since you put the help wanted sign up. May I ask what would keep you from wanting to hire such an individual?
 
Equal rights for one does not mean fewer rights for you. It is not pie.
What this is saying is, if a Gay or trans person applies for a job, and is clearly the most qualified, they can not be denied a job because the employer does not like they are gay or trans. Often, if the person does not reveal, they cannot be asked. And often you cannot tell.
Also, they cannot be denied service simply because of their gender, sexuality, skin color or anything. Any of you have probably interacted with a gay or trans person and did not know it.
If there are two equally qualified people applying for a position, maybe a second interview for each is warranted, to see who is best for job.
Basically, I have gay and trans friends and family members, so I am simply going to walk away from this conversation, now that I have said my piece.
Do not mess with people I care about.
 
Sunny said:
Just holding up a mirror to you, rgp.

"What i did say is, no one is going to tell me how to run my business, I will hire & fire whom I choose."
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Exactly ! ........ And where is that so wrong ? My money, my sweat & work to build it, my way only on how to operate it .
 
MarciKS said:
So @rgp you say you don't want to be told how to run your business. So obviously you don't like the idea of being told by law that you would have to hire certain people. If I'm wrong on this then just ignore it and move on. I'm just trying to understand why someone wouldn't want to hire someone like this. So let's just take this gay/transgender as a hypothetical. He's smart, he's a workhorse, he's the best applicant you've had walk in the door since you put the help wanted sign up. May I ask what would keep you from wanting to hire such an individual?
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Not saying I wouldn't ...... Only saying I will not be told I must.
 
JaniceM said:
Do you have any two-year-olds in your life who haven't yet learned the world doesn't revolve around them, they can't have everything they want, and can't always get their own way. Kinda like that.
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When it is my business, my home , anything mine ......... it does revolve around me, & me alone......... you run yours, your way. I'll run mine my way.

The difference is .... I have no desire to stick my nose in your business.
 
rgp said:
How do you know what i am ?
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I don't care what you are. It makes no difference to me. These forums are for discussions and that's what we're doing is discussing. There is no reason for you to swear at me like I'm some stupid bimbo that doesn't know jack.
 
Plus I don't insult you or make fun of you or try to make you feel stupid like some have. The least you could do is be courteous to those who are trying to have a decent conversation with you.
 
MarciKS said:
I don't care what you are. It makes no difference to me. These forums are for discussions and that's what we're doing is discussing. There is no reason for you to swear at me like I'm some stupid bimbo that doesn't know jack.
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Then don't assert that you know something that you do not.

I didn't swear at you....it was part of a question.
 
MarciKS said:
Plus I don't insult you or make fun of you or try to make you feel stupid like some have. The least you could do is be courteous to those who are trying to have a decent conversation with you.
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I appreciate that, and i thought I was. As I said, it was not cussing you.......it was an emphasis , as part of a question.
 
So here's the deal, I grew up in the South under the fearful guidance of my father, a Southern Baptist preacher. Although I was never depicted as gay the Southern Baptist Convention made clear of their stand in opposition to homosexuality. That kind stuff impacts a person's life and understanding about same-sex relationships. Social awareness was expanding but the former generation was reluctant to change with the times and conflict erupted between the new and old regime.

I like to believe in someways we are more openminded than our parents were, but alas, our generation is at the same place as those before us, living in retirement with muffled voices.

Getting back to discrimination, growing up as kids being called queer was devastating, even though there was no inclination of same-sex attraction. Parents have tremendous responsibility to keep children safe physically and mentally, unfortunately many fail their children miserably causing great physical and physiological harm, my dad was an example of this.
 
Mr. Ed said:
So here's the deal, I grew up in the South under the fearful guidance of my father, a Southern Baptist preacher. Although I was never depicted as gay the Southern Baptist Convention made clear of their stand in opposition to homosexuality. That kind stuff impacts a person's life and understanding about same-sex relationships. Social awareness was expanding but the former generation was reluctant to change with the times and conflict erupted between the new and old regime.

I like to believe in someways we are more openminded than our parents were, but alas, our generation is at the same place as those before us, living in retirement with muffled voices.

Getting back to discrimination, growing up as kids being called queer was devastating, even though there was no inclination of same-sex attraction. Parents have tremendous responsibility to keep children safe physically and mentally, unfortunately many fail their children miserably causing great physical and physiological harm, my dad was an example of this.
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Many of us are more open minded. Domestic and international travel, living in diverse neighborhoods with diverse schools, working with and getting to know people whose lives differ from our own - these are the best pathways to an open mind.

My children - and their children - live in a much more diverse world than I inhabited as a child. Virtually everyone I know has at least one LGBTQ child, sibling, other relative, or close friend. ( Or they themselves are LGBTQ). Such an non-issue, at least in Los Angeles. Thank heavens.

p.s. when my twin sons were in their early teens they asked me if I knew anyone who was gay. I said, "Yes I do, and so do you." They were shocked and begged me to identify this person.

I replied, quite truthfully, that they knew at least 10 gay people quite well. Shocked, they wanted to know who these people were.
I told them, "I'm not telling you because that's my point. It doesn't matter whether people are gay or straight. They're no different from anyone else."
 
A lot of gays report "getting married on Sunday, and getting fired on Monday". The problem is not in the hiring , but the firing. Gays are getting hired, and are working, but as soon as their gayness becomes known, they get the ax. The only reason for the firing is the discrimination of the owner. Business owners are not feudal lords, who hold sway over their serfs. Business owners must follow the laws of the land, as we all do.
 

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