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Couldn't Resist Posting This (Pit Bulls)
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SifuPhil
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We also once had a German Shepard - beautiful animal, but willful and wild. Not her fault, ours - we never knew how to train her - and we had to give her away to a neighbor.
hollydolly
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...and there again we had one when I was growing up.. who never bit or snarled at anyone, and we used to ride his back and everything, .. but his sheer size and the fact he was an Alsation put the fear of god into most people , and the Postman wouldn't deliver to our house because he barked so loudly..yet he was a gentle soul and wouldn't harm anyone.
I was bitten by a Black cross breed Alsation who was clearly not being looked after properly..I was delivering something to a house and the dog ran out of the open front door as I walked up the path and took a huge chunk out of my thigh (through my trousers), even tho' I had stood stock still..(very similar situation to you Nancy)...and the owner came out screaming at me making out it was my fault because I walked up her path..but this was a postal delivery she'd ordered, and her garden was open plan, so the dog should never have been allowed free rein in the first place.
I was also bitten by a rotty ..actually a pair of rotties. My fault..they were guard dogs and I opened the gate to their six foot fenced off garden, mistaking it for the house next door where I should have been going , I only got through the gate into the garden by about 4 feet and they were on me, and I turned and ran slamming the gate hard on them to shake them off......again my legs took the snarling bites...but they were Guard dogs they were only doing what they'd been trained to do....and much as I love dogs I've always been very wary of Rotties...
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One of my all-time favorite TV shows is/was “Columbo”. I still watch it sometimes on Netflix.
One very interesting episode was “How to Dial a Murder” with Scottish actor Nicol Williamson. He owns 2 Dobermans named Laurel and Hardy. Very impressive dogs – they and their trainer should have gotten an Emmy.
One very interesting episode was “How to Dial a Murder” with Scottish actor Nicol Williamson. He owns 2 Dobermans named Laurel and Hardy. Very impressive dogs – they and their trainer should have gotten an Emmy.
hollydolly
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Our Adored Dobie...
our loved and much missed rescue Pitbull who had to be PTS...
Current photo of 3 of our dogs all deemed to be a dangerous breeds...Belgian Mallinois...Doberman, and a Staffordshire bull terrier.. the Mailois is the puppy, she's just 18 months old , the staffy is 10 and very poorly but stoical, and the Doberman is almost 10 and still struts about like a big puppy and the Malinios and the Dobie are the best of friends..
our loved and much missed rescue Pitbull who had to be PTS...
Current photo of 3 of our dogs all deemed to be a dangerous breeds...Belgian Mallinois...Doberman, and a Staffordshire bull terrier.. the Mailois is the puppy, she's just 18 months old , the staffy is 10 and very poorly but stoical, and the Doberman is almost 10 and still struts about like a big puppy and the Malinios and the Dobie are the best of friends..
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My granddaughter, at 10, was attacked by two Dobermans (dobermen?) when she was out on a run. She was running down the road and they got out through an open gate and nailed her. One actually grabbed her by the back and started dragging her (several stitches needed) and the other one got her by the back of the knee and bit clear through to the bone. The orthopedist at the hospital said it was a miracle it didn't pierce a major blood vessel or a tendon. As a championship runner and triathlete, this could have put paid to her career and college scholarship hopes.
The owner claimed that the dogs had "never done anything like that before" and, of course, had to pay for all her hospital bills and follow-up treatment. Luckily, she recovered fully and it didn't set her significantly back on her running.
Being the tender-hearted kid and animal-lover that she was, though, on the way home from the hospital, she wanted to stop by the owner's home and tell the dogs she wasn't mad at them.
A funny story: I regularly walked down a country road in North Carolina last summer and every day, these mixed-breed dogs (looked like pit mixes) would bark at me from the porch of a house every time I went by. One morning, I came around the curve and saw them in the road. I thought uh-oh, I'm in for it.....but when they saw me, they immediately ran into the yard, up on the porch and barked at me like fools as I went by. Big brave doggies.......all talk, no show....lol.
The owner claimed that the dogs had "never done anything like that before" and, of course, had to pay for all her hospital bills and follow-up treatment. Luckily, she recovered fully and it didn't set her significantly back on her running.
Being the tender-hearted kid and animal-lover that she was, though, on the way home from the hospital, she wanted to stop by the owner's home and tell the dogs she wasn't mad at them.
A funny story: I regularly walked down a country road in North Carolina last summer and every day, these mixed-breed dogs (looked like pit mixes) would bark at me from the porch of a house every time I went by. One morning, I came around the curve and saw them in the road. I thought uh-oh, I'm in for it.....but when they saw me, they immediately ran into the yard, up on the porch and barked at me like fools as I went by. Big brave doggies.......all talk, no show....lol.
SifuPhil
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Several of our neighbors have dogs that they let run in their tiny back yards. There's usually an old wooden porch that the dogs stand on and bark at any passers-by, and the yard usually comes around to the front near the sidewalk, all fenced in luckily.
When I make my walks to the store several times a week the doggies come out and bark and run and keep pace with me as I slowly walk. One day I was in a mood ... as this one huge beast (a mixed breed I guess) came up to the fence and started barking at me, I yelled out "HEY!" and growled at him.
He stopped barking, pulled his head back and tilted it, looking at me like I was the weirdest thing he'd encountered all week.
Who's the Big Dawg now, huh? HUH?!? Want to dance, puppy?!? LOL!
When I make my walks to the store several times a week the doggies come out and bark and run and keep pace with me as I slowly walk. One day I was in a mood ... as this one huge beast (a mixed breed I guess) came up to the fence and started barking at me, I yelled out "HEY!" and growled at him.
He stopped barking, pulled his head back and tilted it, looking at me like I was the weirdest thing he'd encountered all week.
Who's the Big Dawg now, huh? HUH?!? Want to dance, puppy?!? LOL!
fureverywhere
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There was this couple who were friends with my parents. They had this gorgeous male German Shepherd. He was probably intact, neutering wasn't so common at that time. I was just a kid so his size frightened me. Plus I had a mini farm set to play with and you know who munched it to pieces. But one day my Dad and the husband took me out. The wife was going to try to introduce my Mom to the dog so they could be friends. I think two problems came from the dog not being well socialized. The house was out in the sticks so he probably didn't meet many strangers in a friendly way. They also tied him out as a guard dog.
Well sparing the gory details my Mom gave him a biscuit and turned around. She wore a heavy girdle so that saved her from getting stitches. For whatever reason he bit her in the butt. It's too bad besides because it played a part in ending the friendship with this couple.
But once again it's the deed not the breed. Best buddy had a German Shepherd for almost twenty years and the most mellow, well trained dog you could ask for. Smart too, when new partner moved in Riggs would stand at the top of the stairs with a bone. As soon as partner appeared...BANG...the bone would launch down to the hall.
Well sparing the gory details my Mom gave him a biscuit and turned around. She wore a heavy girdle so that saved her from getting stitches. For whatever reason he bit her in the butt. It's too bad besides because it played a part in ending the friendship with this couple.
But once again it's the deed not the breed. Best buddy had a German Shepherd for almost twenty years and the most mellow, well trained dog you could ask for. Smart too, when new partner moved in Riggs would stand at the top of the stairs with a bone. As soon as partner appeared...BANG...the bone would launch down to the hall.
fureverywhere
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What a beautiful pack indeed! You are so lucky, three times the love.
hollydolly
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What a beautiful pack indeed! You are so lucky, three times the love.
Thanks Fur.
..indeed they are...and there are 4 more of them as well..a total of 7 ...but no more so called dangerous breeds ...3 labradoodles and a chihuahua ...and I love them all dearly.. (apologies for the double picture posting but there seems to be an attachment clich on SF currently)
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Holly, they are beautiful dogs!
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Fur, then would you say that indiscriminate breeders who mate the most aggressive dog with another most aggressive dog do NOT produce puppies with genetic tendencies to be aggressive?
fureverywhere
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As I said the Vick dogs are a perfect example. It depends on the breed primarily. There are some breeds that can be more independent and less people oriented. In theory you could breed an aggressive independent dog and another aggressive independent dog in hopes of creating nuclear puppies. But it probably wouldn't work. The parent's disposition isn't carried on unless perhaps the parents raise the puppies to be like them.
The Vick dogs were bred in hopes of getting prize winning fighting stock. The old time dog fighters knew genetics. Vick's crew were just back yard breeders who were fairly ignorant about what they were doing. When a dog didn't fight they killed it. They didn't know the thinking of the bully breeds. The old time trainers cared well for their champions. Bullies are among the most people pleasing breeds ever. If their owners were pleased by them fighting other dogs they would do it. But the true nature of the bull breeds was revealed when they raided the Vick farm.
Forty dogs caged or chained to blocks, beaten, starved, over-bred, some with hideous scars. The wardens started cutting chains not knowing what to expect. The dogs as a whole licked and wagged and greeted the humans with pleasure. After all they had suffered at the hands of sick humans they still didn't hold it against their rescuers. That says everything about the breed. Only one Vick dog was beyond rehabilitation. It wasn't even a dog used for fighting. It was a breeding female who had been confined and forced to produce puppies her whole life. She had to be put to sleep because she had lost her mind.
The Vick dogs were bred in hopes of getting prize winning fighting stock. The old time dog fighters knew genetics. Vick's crew were just back yard breeders who were fairly ignorant about what they were doing. When a dog didn't fight they killed it. They didn't know the thinking of the bully breeds. The old time trainers cared well for their champions. Bullies are among the most people pleasing breeds ever. If their owners were pleased by them fighting other dogs they would do it. But the true nature of the bull breeds was revealed when they raided the Vick farm.
Forty dogs caged or chained to blocks, beaten, starved, over-bred, some with hideous scars. The wardens started cutting chains not knowing what to expect. The dogs as a whole licked and wagged and greeted the humans with pleasure. After all they had suffered at the hands of sick humans they still didn't hold it against their rescuers. That says everything about the breed. Only one Vick dog was beyond rehabilitation. It wasn't even a dog used for fighting. It was a breeding female who had been confined and forced to produce puppies her whole life. She had to be put to sleep because she had lost her mind.
RadishRose
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"The parent's disposition isn't carried on unless perhaps the parents raise the puppies to be like them.
Interesting Fur, and so horribly sad what those Vick dogs endured. I dunno...if I were a Vick dog, I'd be ecstatic at first at a friendly voice, but I think I'd be a killer the next chance I got.
Interesting Fur, and so horribly sad what those Vick dogs endured. I dunno...if I were a Vick dog, I'd be ecstatic at first at a friendly voice, but I think I'd be a killer the next chance I got.
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Holly, I'm glad you listed the most dangerous dogs in the US. I was surprised Bull Terriers were number 1. My neighbor raised them for about 20 years but they never went out of her yard except when she sold one. Then she gave one to my oldest son because it was 3 legged and she didn't want to use him for breeding purposes. I've already written on this forum what happened with him so I won't repeat it.
We liked Pitts but gave ours away cause it snapped at our other dog and drew a bit of blood. We gave it to a couple our age who had no other pets and they took him camping and he gets along great with them. They put him in a kennel when the grand kids visit.
My favorite dogs are Rottweilers but we got rid of all of ours and I'll tell that story on another day.
We have a local Facebook page for people living in my zip code. A couple days ago a man who lives nearby said his neighbor's 2 pitts got out and killed his mini horse. People should keep their dogs in their yards. We have every bit of our property fenced and cross fenced and all we have is a mild mannered boxer, Suzie and then of course, the 2 small dogs Seth and Minnie Mouse.
My next door neighbor was on a judge type show (The Bench of some name like that) a couple years ago cause her pitts went a couple miles up the road and killed a lady's sheep. Who knew sheep were worth $7,000 each? Well, now my neighbor lady knows.
We liked Pitts but gave ours away cause it snapped at our other dog and drew a bit of blood. We gave it to a couple our age who had no other pets and they took him camping and he gets along great with them. They put him in a kennel when the grand kids visit.
My favorite dogs are Rottweilers but we got rid of all of ours and I'll tell that story on another day.
We have a local Facebook page for people living in my zip code. A couple days ago a man who lives nearby said his neighbor's 2 pitts got out and killed his mini horse. People should keep their dogs in their yards. We have every bit of our property fenced and cross fenced and all we have is a mild mannered boxer, Suzie and then of course, the 2 small dogs Seth and Minnie Mouse.
My next door neighbor was on a judge type show (The Bench of some name like that) a couple years ago cause her pitts went a couple miles up the road and killed a lady's sheep. Who knew sheep were worth $7,000 each? Well, now my neighbor lady knows.
applecruncher
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Yet the overly defensive pit owners tell stories about their sweet pit bull and post pictures of their dog playing with a toddler, or articles about gentle pit bulls, etc.
For every such picture or article there are dozens – maybe even hundreds – of pictures and articles about maimed, bloody, or dead toddlers, adults, and other dogs, sheep, horses, etc.
The assertion that “properly trained” dogs don’t bite/attack unless provoked is such malarkey.
For every such picture or article there are dozens – maybe even hundreds – of pictures and articles about maimed, bloody, or dead toddlers, adults, and other dogs, sheep, horses, etc.
The assertion that “properly trained” dogs don’t bite/attack unless provoked is such malarkey.
fureverywhere
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And how many dogs and breeds have we had Applecruncher? Really I'm curious...My Sophie has grown elderly and dog aggressive. Is it because she is an AmStaff? No. It is because she has always been a canine basket case and has just gotten worse as she gets older. She would kill a balloon if it got too close. But I knew that when I adopted her. Fear aggression plain and simple. My Callie is a bruiser and probably 100% American Bull Dog. But other dogs, cats, even rats, human females and children. Oh women and children making a fuss over him and he is a happy man. Strange human males in uniform and he is not pleased. But nothing to do with his breed and he is always on leash. If he was a beagle that hated strange men, would it be in his blood? Of course not...
applecruncher
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Exactly. But like all dogs, they will bite, for no reason other than they are dogs.
Shalimar
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Hmmm. I have seen many such articles pertaining to such deaths caused by other breeds as well. Usually not as prominently displayed as pit bull attacks. Feeding the crazed pit bull story line makes for good ratings. I have a good friend who happens to
be a vet. He states aggression can manifest in any bloodline, but most properly trained, well loved dogs are safe. In thirty five years, he has run across two vicious pit bulls, among perhaps one hundred or more he has treated. He found Chows, Malinois,
to be less reliable, but still not inherently vicious. Overbreeding he says causes problems, even among Cairn Terriers. Melita kennels, formerly of Victoria BC, near where I live, almost lost their breeding license over a sudden problem with aggressive Cairns. Our
family always purchased our pets from them, wonderful dogs. Fortunately, they were able to "trace" the problem, and remedy it. Many dogs have a strong prey drive, it makes sense to confine them in such a way to avoid problems with sheep, cattle, etc.
whatever the dog might view as prey. As for snide remarks re the supposedly overly defensive stance taken by those who love their pit bulls, what purpose does that serve, other than to ridicule someone's love for their animals? Very aggressive,
predatory behaviour in it's own right. People have a far greater capacity for violence than any dog.
be a vet. He states aggression can manifest in any bloodline, but most properly trained, well loved dogs are safe. In thirty five years, he has run across two vicious pit bulls, among perhaps one hundred or more he has treated. He found Chows, Malinois,
to be less reliable, but still not inherently vicious. Overbreeding he says causes problems, even among Cairn Terriers. Melita kennels, formerly of Victoria BC, near where I live, almost lost their breeding license over a sudden problem with aggressive Cairns. Our
family always purchased our pets from them, wonderful dogs. Fortunately, they were able to "trace" the problem, and remedy it. Many dogs have a strong prey drive, it makes sense to confine them in such a way to avoid problems with sheep, cattle, etc.
whatever the dog might view as prey. As for snide remarks re the supposedly overly defensive stance taken by those who love their pit bulls, what purpose does that serve, other than to ridicule someone's love for their animals? Very aggressive,
predatory behaviour in it's own right. People have a far greater capacity for violence than any dog.
fureverywhere
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In a survey among US vets...the dogs most statistically likely to bite? Dachshunds.
Shalimar
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Of course, that isn't nearly as flashy a soundbite as pit bulls. Vicious dachs just seem ridiculous to many. According to my vet, aging cocker spaniels often turn on their owners, but little is ever reported. Say what you will, a bias exists. All dogs do not bite
just because they are dogs. Like people, they vary in temperament. Humans, the most vicious predators on earth, are not all violent, just because we are human.
just because they are dogs. Like people, they vary in temperament. Humans, the most vicious predators on earth, are not all violent, just because we are human.
fureverywhere
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For the readers, two books I totally recommend:
The Lost Dogs by Jim Gorant
Details the Vick raid and the aftermath of the dogs, many uplifting stories.
Badd Newz The Untold Story of the Michael Vick Dog Fighting Case by Kathy Strouse
A good addition to The Lost Dogs, a history of dog fighting and the many ways Vick is a douche bag. If I were the judge at his probation trial I would have said he would never be able to own even a goldfish for life. Bloody bastard. But you notice the injuries. There are a bunch of pro-ballers who love their dogs. They know who he is...
The Lost Dogs by Jim Gorant
Details the Vick raid and the aftermath of the dogs, many uplifting stories.
Badd Newz The Untold Story of the Michael Vick Dog Fighting Case by Kathy Strouse
A good addition to The Lost Dogs, a history of dog fighting and the many ways Vick is a douche bag. If I were the judge at his probation trial I would have said he would never be able to own even a goldfish for life. Bloody bastard. But you notice the injuries. There are a bunch of pro-ballers who love their dogs. They know who he is...
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My pittie Bonnie is the sweetest girl that ever was -- not a mean bone in her body. Well behaved at home and away. I love her dearly and wouldn't trade her for anything! The only time she has gotten upset was when we were out walking and a very oddly acting and gesticulating man approached us way too fast -- Bonnie planted her tank-like self firmly in front of me and said "GRRRR!" The man crossed the street and I was grateful for Bonnie's protective instincts. Otherwise, she loves everybody, especially children and my plumber.
SifuPhil
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Don't know how that *$%&# got to play ball again - I'd have hung him out to dry for a long, long time. 21 months wasn't nearly long enough. I guess the Philadelphia Eagles will take anyone.
Money talks, I suppose ... he makes a lot for them.