Countdown to the Russian invasion of Ukraine

At the NATO Summit in June, Ukraine’s President Zelensky called on President Biden to give a clear ‘yes’ or ‘no’ answer to his country’s request for a Membership. Zelensky added that Ukraine was more ready than most EU countries were to join NATO. But President Biden responded that ‘school’s out’ on whether Ukraine had made enough progress in eradicating corruption and fulfilling other criteria to enter the Alliance. Moreover, he stated that the issue depended not only on him, but also on the other Allies……..
https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/ukraines-unrealistic-nato-bid
 

mellowyellow said:
https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/ukraines-unrealistic-nato-bid
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Excellent link. So Ukraine had no hope for true alliance with the West. ...Aid ...we'll give that here and there... but not formal alliance for fear of pushing Putin too far. Only Putin got tired of watching the West flirt with Ukraine, no matter that we never meant marriage.

“The United States aids Ukraine and her people so that we can fight Russia over there so we don’t have to fight Russia here.”

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March 13 (Reuters) - Ukrainian officials negotiating with their Russian counterparts are to ensure direct talks between the countries' leaders that could lead to bringing peace, Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said late on Sunday.

The next round of the talks on the war in Ukraine between the two neighbors is scheduled for early Monday, via video links. Although officials have been giving upbeat assessments lately, positive results of the negotiations are yet to come. read more


Ukraine has repeatedly called for direct talks between Zelenskiy and Russian President Vladimir Putin, pointing to the Russian leader as the one making all final decisions.

"Our delegation has a clear task - to do everything to ensure a meeting of the presidents. The meeting that I am sure people are waiting for," Zelenskiy said in his daily video address.

"Obviously this is a difficult story. A hard path. But this path is needed. And our goal is for Ukraine to get the necessary result in this struggle, in this negotiation work. Necessary for peace. And for security."


Russia has said previously that the Kremlin would not refuse such a meeting to discuss "specific" issues, but there have been no further details.
 

I don't understand the UK's stance on the refugees. It seems that white-skinned women and children are considered a security risk, while fit young men from the Middle East are not (I'm referring of course to the people coming across in little boats, the majority of which are men of fighting age).
 
What should one read into this?


Ukrainian President @ZelenskyyUa, who was due to address the @CoE Assembly at midday today, was unable to speak due to "very urgent, unforeseen circumstances" – but it's hoped that Ukrainian Prime Minister @Denys_Shmyhal will be able to speak via video-link at 16h CET today… pic.twitter.com/11NBq9JIp7

— PACE (@PACE_News) March 14, 2022
Mr Zelensky is expected to address US Congress on Wednesday, US Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said in a joint letter to US lawmakers.

It comes as a fresh round of talks between Kyiv and Moscow to end the war in Ukraine have been “temporarily interrupted”, adviser to the Head of the Office of Mr Zelensky, Mykhailo Podoliak, said. But he added that negotiations, which Mr Zelensky recently said would focus on him getting a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin, would continue.
 
Jackie23 said:
Looks like Russians are being told to tune in Tucker and Fox News.....hahaha


Leaked Kremlin memo urges Russian media to promote 'essential' Tucker Carlson​

According to a report from Mother Jones editor David Corn, a leaked memo from a Russian government division called the Department of Information and Telecommunications Support is urging state media personalities and producers to hype up comments made by Fox News host Tucker Carlson.

[link:https://www.rawstory.com/tucker-carlson-2656948870/|
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You laughed, but did you research why? I did because I wondered why him and not other Fox hosts. Mostly I read about what he's been saying about Ukraine instead of actually watching him (for the sake of my sanity) and what I found wasn't the quick ..."Oh, it's Fox" that I expected. You can certainly find the superficial "Fox News" reasons the Kremlin promotes him if that's where you want to stop ...there's a clip of soundbites that I think HuffPost compiled which does just that. But after hours of reading ...and the necessary evil of watching a few of his clips, I found it goes far beyond that. He's saying exactly what Jacobin and Salon are printing ...that this is a conflict that what Carlson calls "Permanent Washington" (comprised of both parties) has fomented and wants to escalate. In Carlson's coverage of the US's actively steering conditions to provoke this current Ukraine invasion, there are some really great soundbites for Russian state run media.

Jacobin article:

A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War

Salon: ( Article about the high priestess of what Carlson calls Permanent Washington. She's part of the current administration, but she --like most Permanent Washington--transcends party lines and has worked in the administrations of both parties.)

Who is Victoria Nuland?

It's summed up in this sentence that has been expressed before it was stated in this link below:
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“The United States aids Ukraine and her people so that we can fight Russia over there so we don’t have to fight Russia here.”



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Thanks @AnnieA for those most informative links that I had not yet tracked down, though one needs to take such essays with a grain of salt. Have noticed Google Search has this last week been increasingly removing such search hits that reflect differently than the talking points being pushed.

Militaristic war mongers of the world on all sides, YOU will be eventually exposed in this Internet era.
 
David777 said:
Thanks @AnnieA for those most informative links that I had not yet tracked down, though one needs to take such essays with a grain of salt. Have noticed Google Search has this last week been increasingly removing such search hits that reflect differently than the talking points being pushed.

Militaristic war mongers of the world on all sides, YOU will be eventually exposed in this Internet era.
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You're welcome. I tried to pick two that had hyperlinks to other sources and/or easily verifiable info rather than op-ed type pieces.

As for the war mongers exposed ...it's out there for people who want to delve deeper than the superficial mainstream media and the MSM counter sources. For people who sit and get their news spoonfed on TV or their "trusted sources" :rolleyes: ...there's not a lot of hope there.
 
Ruthanne said:
I heard on TV last night that Russia is going to ask China for military help. I hope China refuses!
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That puts China in a bad position because the CCP doesn't want the kind of sanctions that the west has put on Russia. These sanctions are serious (finally). They hit Putin's oligarchs and minions really hard, and Xi has a harem full of oligarchs and minions himself. He's up for re-election this year and his harem's votes decide the election. The people don't vote for the president.
 
AnnieA said:
You laughed, but did you research why? I did because I wondered why him and not other Fox hosts. Mostly I read about what he's been saying about Ukraine instead of actually watching him (for the sake of my sanity) and what I found wasn't the quick ..."Oh, it's Fox" that I expected. You can certainly find the superficial "Fox News" reasons the Kremlin promotes him if that's where you want to stop ...there's a clip of soundbites that I think HuffPost compiled which does just that. But after hours of reading ...and the necessary evil of watching a few of his clips, I found it goes far beyond that. He's saying exactly what Jacobin and Salon are printing ...that this is a conflict that what Carlson calls "Permanent Washington" (comprised of both parties) has fomented and wants to escalate. In Carlson's coverage of the US's actively steering conditions to provoke this current Ukraine invasion, there are some really great soundbites for Russian state run media.

Jacobin article:

A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War

Salon: ( Article about the high priestess of what Carlson calls Permanent Washington. She's part of the current administration, but she --like most Permanent Washington--transcends party lines and has worked in the administrations of both parties.)

Who is Victoria Nuland?

It's summed up in this sentence that has been expressed before it was stated in this link below:
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“The United States aids Ukraine and her people so that we can fight Russia over there so we don’t have to fight Russia here.”



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Consider your sources. Jacobin Magazine is a socialist publication with a Marxist perspective. (Wikipedia's description, not mine.) The Victoria Nuland article was written by Medea Benjamin, the founder of Code Pink, who hates democratic capitalism with a passion. They aren't presenting facts, just propaganda aimed at hurting the West. And Tucker Carlson is just weird (I think it may be a tumor.)
 
JimBob1952 said:
Consider your sources. Jacobin Magazine is a socialist publication with a Marxist perspective. (Wikipedia's description, not mine.) The Victoria Nuland article was written by Medea Benjamin, the founder of Code Pink, who hates democratic capitalism with a passion. They aren't presenting facts, just propaganda aimed at hurting the West. And Tucker Carlson is just weird (I think it may be a tumor.)
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I know how to analyze sources by content and specifically chose those knowing their descriptions to show that there are people with wildly different worldviews--Carlson and the far left--who are saying the same thing. To label a source credible or not credible without analyzing content is intellectually lazy. I could care less who describes a source as reliable or not reliable; I read content, then research beyond that to verify or disprove it.

In this case, there's no need for propaganda to hurt the West ...at least the US... because the facts of past involvement in Ukraine are doing it just fine.
 
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A Lockheed Martin F-35 aircraft is seen at the ILA Air Show in Berlin, Germany, April 25, 2018. REUTERS/Axel Schmidt/File Photo

BERLIN, March 14 (Reuters) - Germany will buy 35 U.S. F-35 fighter jets to replace its ageing Tornado, it said on Monday, announcing a first big defence deal since Chancellor Olaf Scholz pledged a 100-billion-euro upgrade to the military in response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
 
The lunatics are running the Kremlin Asylum ...there's everyday no question of that. Now they want Alaska back. I would laugh if it weren't so scary how unhinged the Russian leaders are currently.

He [Duma member Oleg Matveychev] continued, 'The return of all Russian properties, those of the Russian empire, the Soviet Union and current Russia, which has been seized in the United States, and so on.' Solovyov asked if the lawmaker specifically meant Alaska and the former Russian settlement of Fort Ross, California. 'That was my next point. As well as the Antarctic,' Matveychev said. 'We discovered it, so it belongs to us.'
 
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