ElCastor
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Too bad we can't just buy it from Canada instead of Putin. I think the Canadians would like that, and I know the Ukrainians would. (-8
Countdown to the Russian invasion of Ukraine
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Murrmurr
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Good idea. The US already gets more than half its imported oil from Canada, even without the Keystone Pipeline. I don't know what Canada's annual yield is. I wonder if they could sell us more?
Not that any of that is up to me...just wondering.
Murrmurr
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Do you know if Canada exports oil to Russia? China?
(I can look it up)
edit: Canada imports oil from Russia.
hollydolly
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The first major city in Ukraine has fallen to the Russians, the mayor confirmed on Wednesday, urging his residents on Facebook to obey 'armed people who came to the city's administration'.
Kherson, home to 290,000 people, is 300 miles south of Kyiv. Kyiv was also coming under attack in the early hours of Thursday, with a bright explosion booming across the city around 2am.
The port city of Odessa, 125 miles west of Kherson, was also bracing for an attack after Vladimir Putin's warships were seen leaving Crimea on Wednesday night. U.S. officials told Fox News they expected Odessa could be attacked as soon as Thursday.
Kherson, like Odessa, is strategically important - sitting on an inlet of the Black Sea, 260 miles west of the separatist enclave of Donetsk.
Ihor Kolykhaiev, mayor of Kherson, earlier on Wednesday insisted the city remained under Ukrainian control, but it has now fallen.
Volodymyr Zelensky, the Ukrainian president, issued a video address to the nation in the early hours of Thursday, giving an upbeat assessment of the war and calling on Ukrainians to keep up the resistance.
'We are a people who in a week have destroyed the plans of the enemy,' he said, in the clip posted on social media.
'They will have no peace here. They will have no food. They will have here not one quiet moment.'
Zelensky did not comment on whether the Russians have seized several cities, including Kherson.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ls-people-follow-orders-Russian-soldiers.html
Kherson, home to 290,000 people, is 300 miles south of Kyiv. Kyiv was also coming under attack in the early hours of Thursday, with a bright explosion booming across the city around 2am.
The port city of Odessa, 125 miles west of Kherson, was also bracing for an attack after Vladimir Putin's warships were seen leaving Crimea on Wednesday night. U.S. officials told Fox News they expected Odessa could be attacked as soon as Thursday.
Kherson, like Odessa, is strategically important - sitting on an inlet of the Black Sea, 260 miles west of the separatist enclave of Donetsk.
Ihor Kolykhaiev, mayor of Kherson, earlier on Wednesday insisted the city remained under Ukrainian control, but it has now fallen.
Volodymyr Zelensky, the Ukrainian president, issued a video address to the nation in the early hours of Thursday, giving an upbeat assessment of the war and calling on Ukrainians to keep up the resistance.
'We are a people who in a week have destroyed the plans of the enemy,' he said, in the clip posted on social media.
'They will have no peace here. They will have no food. They will have here not one quiet moment.'
Zelensky did not comment on whether the Russians have seized several cities, including Kherson.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ls-people-follow-orders-Russian-soldiers.html
Murrmurr
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I think most everyone knew this would happen eventually. The ball is pretty much in Putin's court, now we'll see what he does with it. He could muck about for a year or two before anything definitive happens. Or he might just say job done, and go home, who knows anymore with this guy.
Whatever the case, we know China's watching closely.
Furryanimal
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Russia confronts Finland, Sweden as invasion of Ukraine enters 8th day
Air raid sirens blared throughout Ukraine overnight * At least eight Ukrainians were killed in Russian strikes overnight
By TZVI JOFFRE, REUTERS Published: MARCH 3, 2022 08:21
Russia sent letters to Finland and Sweden demanding that they provide security guarantees, according to the Echo of Moscow radio station, as the Nordic countries expressed interest in joining NATO and Russia's invasion of Ukraine entered its eighth day.
The liberal aligned "Echo of Moscow" radio station was taken off the air by Russian authorities on Tuesday.
The Russian demands come after surveys in both Finland and Sweden showed rising public support for joining NATO and two citizens' initiatives calling on the Finnish government to hold a referendum on the matter or to join the alliance without a referendum reached the number of signatures needed to require parliament to discuss them.
The latest initiative stated that Finland must join NATO in order to fulfill its constitutional obligation to safeguard human rights.
Four Russian fighter jets violated Swedish airspace on Wednesday, with Sweden's Air Force commander calling the act "unprofessional and irresponsible."
On Friday, Russia warned neighboring Finland of "serious military and political" repercussions if the Scandinavian nation opts to join NATO following the invasion of Ukraine.
Russia confronts Finland, Sweden as invasion of Ukraine enters 8th day
Air raid sirens blared throughout Ukraine overnight * At least eight Ukrainians were killed in Russian strikes overnight
By TZVI JOFFRE, REUTERS Published: MARCH 3, 2022 08:21
Russia sent letters to Finland and Sweden demanding that they provide security guarantees, according to the Echo of Moscow radio station, as the Nordic countries expressed interest in joining NATO and Russia's invasion of Ukraine entered its eighth day.
The liberal aligned "Echo of Moscow" radio station was taken off the air by Russian authorities on Tuesday.
The Russian demands come after surveys in both Finland and Sweden showed rising public support for joining NATO and two citizens' initiatives calling on the Finnish government to hold a referendum on the matter or to join the alliance without a referendum reached the number of signatures needed to require parliament to discuss them.
The latest initiative stated that Finland must join NATO in order to fulfill its constitutional obligation to safeguard human rights.
Four Russian fighter jets violated Swedish airspace on Wednesday, with Sweden's Air Force commander calling the act "unprofessional and irresponsible."
On Friday, Russia warned neighboring Finland of "serious military and political" repercussions if the Scandinavian nation opts to join NATO following the invasion of Ukraine.
hollydolly
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yes I posted some days ago about the Russians demanding the Swedish and Finish get into line with regard not joining Nato.. or suffer the same consequences as Ukraine..
...I am waiting with bated breath to see what both countries are going to do...
Furryanimal
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Ukraine, Russia to hold new round of peace talks. According to Vladimir Medinsky, assistant to Russian President Vladimir Putin, the second round of negotiations will take place on March 3, in Belarusian Brest Oblast, which is close to the Polish border.
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Ukraine, Russia to hold new round of peace talks. According to Vladimir Medinsky, assistant to Russian President Vladimir Putin, the second round of negotiations will take place on March 3, in Belarusian Brest Oblast, which is close to the Polish border.
Harry Le Hermit
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You're right, it is pretty clear and in plain English. It clearly and in plain English converts all forms of primary energy (including coal) to BTUs for energy comparison.
Total U.S. annual primary energy net imports...
What is primary energy... https://www.eia.gov/tools/glossary/index.php?id=Primary energy
So are we discussing oil imports/exports or total primary energy imports/exports?
ElCastor
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OK, in all fairness it seems we are discussing petroleum as well as crude oil ...
Beginning in 2019 ...
"Not only did the United States reach a record-breaking 12.8 million barrels per day (bpd) of oil production in November – a new high watermark for the industry – the country achieved something yet more impressive: in the month of September, the United States exported more petroleum products than it imported. If verified in survey-collected monthly data, it would be the first time (in a month-long period) that the United States sold more petroleum than it purchased abroad since EIA records began in 1949."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielc...rts-in-september-and-october/?sh=b66a9985f3b3
And continuing through 2020 ...
"The United States became a net annual petroleum exporter in 2020
In 2020, the United States exported about 8.51 MMb/d and imported about 7.86 MMb/d of petroleum1, making the United States a net annual petroleum exporter for the first time since at least 1949."
Bottom line, we both know this discussion is not about 2019/20, it's about now and our purchase of Russian oil -- a purchase in which it seems fair to assume that our billions are aiding Putin in the destruction of Ukraine.
Harry Le Hermit
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No it started with a statement that indicated a belief the USA had been a net exporter until recently. (Note: the U.S. production peaked the week ending 2-28-2020 at 13.1 MBPD ... https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=WCRFPUS2&f=W
As for the purchase of oil from Russia, it will impact you more than I, as most of the imports end up on the West Coast. Granted there would be an impact across the board, but again... more likely the West Coast bearing the brunt.
We could and should halt Russian imports, but where would the makeup come from, considering our crude inventories are woefully low, near 7 year lows and Cushing at 3.5 year low. Please don't say drill baby drill. Drillers will drill, when it becomes profitable to do so. If you can sell oil for $100 a barrel, why would anyone spend millions on drilling to sell oil for $50 a barrel? Especially when we keep hearing how oil will become a thing of the past. Driller's are taking their money and running... for the most part.
Besides, a good portion would likely end up being exported. We currently export 3 MBPD, when in 2014, we merely exported >300KBPD. Oddly we export more gasoline per day, than we import Crude from Russia. But we also export more gasoline than we import gasoline. It's a weird world.
hollydolly
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I did a double take when I read this... what's going on now. ?.. why start on the USA ..?...Russia's foreign minister said today, as he compared the US to Nazi Germany ''
quote:
'Napoleon and Hitler had the objective to have the whole of Europe under their control, now Americans have got Europe under their control.
'We see that the situation what role the EU is really playing in the context of the global situation, they are just fulfiling a role.
'We see that there's a picture like in Hollywood of absolute evil and absolute good and this is unfortunate.
read more here, and see the video...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...repeats-warning-WW3-nuclear-likens-NAZIS.html
quote:
'Napoleon and Hitler had the objective to have the whole of Europe under their control, now Americans have got Europe under their control.
'We see that the situation what role the EU is really playing in the context of the global situation, they are just fulfiling a role.
'We see that there's a picture like in Hollywood of absolute evil and absolute good and this is unfortunate.
read more here, and see the video...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...repeats-warning-WW3-nuclear-likens-NAZIS.html
Harry Le Hermit
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I probably watch too much France24, Deutsche Welle, etc. The past week has seen a considerable amount of time being spent on the great "re-think". From my perspective, this is long overdue. However, the past couple of days has seen these nations' "leftist" thinking ease into the conversation, with these groups objecting to their official government narrative (re-think). Justifiably or not, these groups have consistently blamed the USA for the ills of the world and would be susceptible to their confirmation bias.I did a double take when I read this... what's going on now. ?.. why start on the USA ..?...Russia's foreign minister said today, as he compared the US to Nazi Germany ''
quote:
'Napoleon and Hitler had the objective to have the whole of Europe under their control, now Americans have got Europe under their control.
'We see that the situation what role the EU is really playing in the context of the global situation, they are just fulfiling a role.
'We see that there's a picture like in Hollywood of absolute evil and absolute good and this is unfortunate.
read more here, and see the video...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...repeats-warning-WW3-nuclear-likens-NAZIS.html
The Russian minister is fanning the flames of division, imo.
Murrmurr
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That's precisely correct, imo.
Also, yes! It's very complicated. (the trade part, reliance/dependency, etc)
ElCastor
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There are several ominous issues in the current state of affairs. Assuming Ukraine is eventually defeated, what then? Will Putin move on to a NATO country? If so, the US would almost certainly be drawn in. Combine that with Russia's warnings of unforeseen consequences and nuclear hints --- Yikes!
Harry Le Hermit
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Ukraine will be defeated, imo, but after a significant loss of life and terrible suffering by the Ukrainians (or is it Iranians, us old folks can't keep this stuff straight). Belarus has become a puppet of Russia and will be the gateway to stirring up trouble in Lithuania... again my opinion. Kaliningrad Oblast is Russian territory, bounded by Lithuania, Poland and the Baltic Sea. It would not be unrealistic to expect some type of contrived separatist movement, similar to Ukraine's DonBas region, in southern Lithuania (a 60 miles stretch), so that a land connection would be in place between the puppet Belarus and the Oblast. Of course that would isolate the remainder of Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia from the rest of NATO and the EU.
Murrmurr
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And (if memory serves) wasn't Putin given a seat (or at least the ability to vote and veto) on the International Security Counsel some time in the early or mid 90s?...basically tying the hands of other members.
Harry Le Hermit
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I may be wrongly assuming, but that has never stopped me... I assume you are referring to the United Nation Security Counsel. The USSR was an original member of the Security Council, with veto power etc. The Russian Federation assumed that role in the 1990s. Oddly, Ukraine is now contesting that, as there was never any recognition of the Russian Federation's right to assume the role of the U.S.S.R.
It's about 30 years late in getting anything done, imo.
Murrmurr
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Yes, that's it. Thanks. And yeah, the point of contention now is that the USSR no longer exists.
Murrmurr
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An interesting development, maybe related, not sure - Ikea, Swedish furniture manufacturer, closed their stores in Russia today.
I don't know if all or only some stores closed.
Russians queued up for panic buying, the ques unbelievably long, people got a bit aggressive (though not by American standards, imo), guards placed at entrances and exits.
ElCastor
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Interesting discussion of various outcomes for Ukraine in today's WSJ. One supposes that Ukraine is defeated and a puppet government installed by Moscow in Kyiv. The puppet government assembles a strong army to compel obedience from the population. The army, or a large part of it, then rebels and a civil war ensues. You and I may not be around to see the eventual outcome, whatever that may be, but it almost certainly will be a mess.
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There seems to be a total misconception as to who is being like a real Nazi here. But this entire mess goes back to before the Clinton administration and probably even before that if one wishes to reach that far back. Once the Desert Storm ensued, and was all but done, Clinton was voted into office. Thus, was the brokering of Ukraine giving up its nuclear arsenal if we agreed to a non aggression of NATO into the Eastern Bloc. Events were side tracked for awhile but once Putin got underway, it was always on the back burner as America pushed NATO to encourage more European countries to join them. The East became interested and asked to join and the fun began. One could almost have predicted what the ultimate outcome would be. And with the Bidens getting involved in Ukraine with the son on the board of directors of the gas corp. and the father dictating to Ukraine that aid would be withheld if a certain Prosecutor wasn't replaced, that meddling was right up Putin's alley. There's a lot of fault here to go around, but I don't like the civilians taking the brunt of all this, Holly.I did a double take when I read this... what's going on now. ?.. why start on the USA ..?...Russia's foreign minister said today, as he compared the US to Nazi Germany ''
quote:
'Napoleon and Hitler had the objective to have the whole of Europe under their control, now Americans have got Europe under their control.
'We see that the situation what role the EU is really playing in the context of the global situation, they are just fulfiling a role.
'We see that there's a picture like in Hollywood of absolute evil and absolute good and this is unfortunate.
read more here, and see the video...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...repeats-warning-WW3-nuclear-likens-NAZIS.html
Lewkat
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I read in Pravda today that a Russian billionaire has offered one million dollars to a military Russian who will assassinate Putin. First one gets the money.
hollydolly
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Ah, It all becomes much clearer now, thanks Lois...
hollydolly
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a Million dollars may not be a great amount to us .. but to an average Russian it may as well be 50 million...