Furryanimal
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Countdown to the Russian invasion of Ukraine
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David777
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As I noted at the war's start, media, especially suppressed US media, as the horror drags on, would increasingly be showing a minority of expert voices that have promoted neutrality. An unpleasant yet pragmatic way forward given the obvious stubborn stalemate that is the current useless sad state of the game of chicken waiting for the other side to blink with signs of non-commitment, each side has played. If one Yahoo or Google searches with "NATO neutral", one will see plenty of other non-USA media news articles and opinions have been pointing to neutrality long beyond the start of the conflict.
A Trump-appointed former senior advisor to the Secretary of Defense says Russian forces have been 'too gentle' on Ukraine and called Zelensky a 'puppet'
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-appointed-former-senior-adviser-073609454.html
snippets:
..."I don't see anything heroic about the man [Zelenski]," Macgregor said. "I think the most heroic thing he could do right now is come to terms with reality. Neutralize Ukraine." He continued: "This is not a bad thing. A neutral Ukraine would be good for us and Russia. It would create the buffer that frankly both sides want but he's I think being told I think to hold on and trying to drag this out, which is tragic for the people that have to live through this."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/09/conflict-mediator-ukraine-vladimir-putin
I’m a conflict mediator. This is a way out of the Ukraine crisis
One way through this would be for Nato to declare Ukraine a neutral country and decree that it does not join Nato for at least a decade. In practice, Ukrainian membership of the EU is ruled out for at least a generation because of Ukraine’s corruption, political dysfunction and lack of economic progress. Talks between Putin and France’s President Macron this week were more conciliatory in tone. Macron said: “There is no security for Europeans if there is no security for Russia.”...
A Trump-appointed former senior advisor to the Secretary of Defense says Russian forces have been 'too gentle' on Ukraine and called Zelensky a 'puppet'
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-appointed-former-senior-adviser-073609454.html
snippets:
..."I don't see anything heroic about the man [Zelenski]," Macgregor said. "I think the most heroic thing he could do right now is come to terms with reality. Neutralize Ukraine." He continued: "This is not a bad thing. A neutral Ukraine would be good for us and Russia. It would create the buffer that frankly both sides want but he's I think being told I think to hold on and trying to drag this out, which is tragic for the people that have to live through this."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/09/conflict-mediator-ukraine-vladimir-putin
I’m a conflict mediator. This is a way out of the Ukraine crisis
One way through this would be for Nato to declare Ukraine a neutral country and decree that it does not join Nato for at least a decade. In practice, Ukrainian membership of the EU is ruled out for at least a generation because of Ukraine’s corruption, political dysfunction and lack of economic progress. Talks between Putin and France’s President Macron this week were more conciliatory in tone. Macron said: “There is no security for Europeans if there is no security for Russia.”...
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Harry Le Hermit
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A touchy subject, but here goes with minimal comment...
Since the Arab Oil Embargo and the passage of the Energy Policy and Conservation Act of 1975, U.S. exports of crude oil were limited, until the lifting of that in late 2015... https://ballotpedia.org/Crude_oil_export_ban
Prior to the latter legislation, the U.S. had historical exports of crude from Alaska, which was less than 100K barrels per day, until 2014, which saw the exports rise to approximately 500K barrels per day. After that latter legislation... exports soared to nearly 4MBPD in early 2020. This coincided with the peak of U.S. production of about 13MBPD. As can be noted by both charts, the drop from those peaks of both production and export are in near lockstep. Which poses the question as to whether more drilling equals more domestic supply?
The GAO conducted a study in 2020, which looked at the results of 2015 legislation and the impact of the Jones Act from 100 years ago. The latter should be of interest to West Coasters and Northeasterners.
Since the Arab Oil Embargo and the passage of the Energy Policy and Conservation Act of 1975, U.S. exports of crude oil were limited, until the lifting of that in late 2015... https://ballotpedia.org/Crude_oil_export_ban
Prior to the latter legislation, the U.S. had historical exports of crude from Alaska, which was less than 100K barrels per day, until 2014, which saw the exports rise to approximately 500K barrels per day. After that latter legislation... exports soared to nearly 4MBPD in early 2020. This coincided with the peak of U.S. production of about 13MBPD. As can be noted by both charts, the drop from those peaks of both production and export are in near lockstep. Which poses the question as to whether more drilling equals more domestic supply?
The GAO conducted a study in 2020, which looked at the results of 2015 legislation and the impact of the Jones Act from 100 years ago. The latter should be of interest to West Coasters and Northeasterners.
ElCastor
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Hallelujah! I just listened to CNN's Fareed Zakaria proclaim in no uncertain terms that the US must step up oil production and produce every drop possible, thereby halting Russian oil purchases and getting us in a position to support our European allies. Oil exports are a key to Russia's economy and it is the only way to hurt them and stop Putin.
Blinken says White House discussing prospect of a Russian oil ban as pleas increaseSource: MSNU.S. leaders showed increasing support for a ban on Russian oil imports on Sunday, indicating what could be a step forward in heeding one of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s pleas, as the invasion of his country continues. Zelenskyy on Saturday spoke with members of Congress, asking for actions to knee-cap Russia and aid the Ukrainian resistance to Vladimir Putin's attacks. Though White House leaders initially appeared resistant to one of his major asks — sanctions on Russian oil imports — the U.S. secretary of State on Sunday morning struck a less averse tone. He said he spoke with the president and other Cabinet officials on “exactly this subject” the day prior. “We are now talking to our European partners and allies to look in a coordinated way at the prospect of banning the import of Russian oil, while making sure that there is still an appropriate supply of oil on world markets,” Secretary of State Antony Blinken said on CNN’s “State of the Union.” “That's a very active discussion as we speak.” Previously, White House press secretary Jen Psaki had told reporters Friday that the administration was looking at actions to cut U.S. consumption of energy from Moscow, but added that the White House was “very focused on minimizing the impact to families” and expressed concern that a ban could raise gas prices. Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...-russian-oil-ban-as-pleas-increase/ar-AAUGQmR |
squatting dog
We don't have as far to go, as we've already been
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The current administration killed our pipelines, (from which oil came from our Canadian Allies by the way), killed coal, banned drilling. All of this has made us partially dependent on Russian oil, which has made Russia very wealthy. If Putin is the “bad guy,” and Russia is so evil, why are we continuing to buy billion of dollars worth of oil from Russia every day? Does this make any sense?
I’m for “America First.” I'm sorry, but this doesn't pass the smell test.
This war is B.S. It doesn’t involve us. We should not be sending billions of dollars in aid, or sending billions of dollars in military weapons to Ukraine. I don’t want this to turn into WWIII. I don’t want my children, or your children dying over Ukraine.
We need to stay a million miles away from this conflict.
Just had another thought. If the Ukraine is doing so well at destroying Russian equipment and troops, (as it seems to be reported in newspapers everywhere), why are we needed?
Again... the smell test.
I’m for “America First.” I'm sorry, but this doesn't pass the smell test.
This war is B.S. It doesn’t involve us. We should not be sending billions of dollars in aid, or sending billions of dollars in military weapons to Ukraine. I don’t want this to turn into WWIII. I don’t want my children, or your children dying over Ukraine.
We need to stay a million miles away from this conflict.
Just had another thought. If the Ukraine is doing so well at destroying Russian equipment and troops, (as it seems to be reported in newspapers everywhere), why are we needed?
Again... the smell test.
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Ukraine was a NEUTRAL country before the invasion. Not a part of Nato or EU and still isn't.
Ukraine gave up it nukes in a guarantee from Russia for safety. After the dissolution of the Soviet Union, Ukraine held about one third of the Soviet nuclear arsenal, the third largest in the world at the time, as well as significant means of its design and production.[2] 130 UR-100N intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBM) with six warheads each, 46 RT-23 Molodets ICBMs with ten warheads apiece, as well as 33 heavy bombers, totaling approximately 1,700 warheads remained on Ukrainian territory.[3] Formally, these weapons were controlled by the Commonwealth of Independent States.[4] In 1994, Ukraine agreed to destroy the weapons, and to join the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons
Russia built up forces around Ukraine for months, they had no intentions for Ukraine to be neutral. If we gave in now, all Europe is vulnerable. Since Alaska was once part of Russia, should we give that back as well if threatened by Russia?
I think you are a Russian troll and shall just ignore you.
David777
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Someone doesn't agree with you, so resort to speculative personal attacks? Read all 7 of your posts on the subject and you are obviously of the opinion of increased continued Ukrainian resistance to the tragic horrible Russian aggression I also detest. Fine, that is a part of freedom we Americans have. This person does not want to risk a nuclear war even if that means pragmatically choosing between poor choices.
https://www.seniorforums.com/threads/russia-attacks-ukraine-as-putin-warns-us-nato-of-‘consequences-you-have-never-seen’.69072/#post-2023050
Feb 24 @todalake >>> Will the Ukrainian leadership stay and the army fight or will they flee and surrender like Afghan army?
https://www.seniorforums.com/thread...invasion-of-ukraine.68716/page-9#post-2032263
Mar 5 @todalake>>>Putin is not going to back down, if he did, he would be done. He will lash out and last resort fire nuclear weapons. If not taken out, end of world as we know it.
Not everyone shares your aggressive strategy. You probably do not like reading when others might publicly speak out against that position as it might cause others here to lean in that direction also and tends to reflect a lack of unanimous opinion? So what? SeniorForums is a minor web community where whatever we say and think in civil respectful manners is certain to have infinitesimal consequence on that conflict in the same way our comments don't amount to much nationally or globally on anything else. But it does allow each of we American citizens to understand different perspectives of others. That is what my inputs as someone with little political interests are for, providing a range of perspectives on current events even though they may not reflect the talking points of those with real power or dominant news media. Read my links and make your own decision, you are then welcome to address either pro or con.
I have great respect for the opinion of Fareed Zakaria. Very knowledgeable, compassionate man.
mellowyellow
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Washington — Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Sunday that NATO members have the go-ahead to send fighter jets to Ukraine as the U.S. and allies continue their efforts to help Ukraine defend itself against Russia's invasion………………
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-russia-war-fighter-jets-antony-blinken-face-the-nation/
mellowyellow
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Footage has emerged online of police officers in Moscow demanding the phones of passers-by, before reading their messages and refusing to release them if they refuse."
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hollydolly
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Now he's killing the children....
This is the moment the grieving parents of an 18-month-old boy rushed into hospital weeping over their son's dead body after the toddler was killed by Russian shelling - as Russian forces spent another day shelling Ukrainian civilians yesterday killing at least eight.
The 18-month-old boy named Kirill was fatally wounded in the the southern city of Mariupol after Russian forces shelled Ukraine's second city just minutes into an agreed ceasefire on Saturday.
Kirill's devastated mother Marina Yatsko and her boyfriend Fedor were later seen grieving as they embraced their son's lifeless body laid out on a stretcher in the besieged city.
And yesterday, in some of the most harrowing scenes of the war so far, the bodies of those killed in the mortar attack were seen lying motionless on a road.
Beside them were suitcases packed ahead of what they hoped would be a journey to safety. There was even a pet carrier among the luggage.
Three members of the same family were among those killed in the attack by Vladimir Putin's forces on Irpin, a town 12 miles from Kyiv.
Devastating images show the father of an 18-month-old boy named Kirill running into a hospital in Ukraine with his dying son
The grieving parents embraced their son's lifeless body laid out on a stretcher in the besieged city after the region came under shelling from Russian forces
Horrific images captured the terrifying experience of mothers, fathers, grandparents and children running from Russian artillery fire.
On the 11th day of the conflict, men, women and children were needlessly targeted and their neighbourhoods reduced to ruins.
Across Ukraine, ceasefires brokered by the Red Cross were breached and humanitarian corridors were closed. The UK Government said Russia was targeting 'populated areas' to break the resistance of the Ukrainian people.
The use of this heinous tactic was beyond dispute last night despite Putin's denials and the disinformation emitting from Moscow.
Ukrainians are dying in towns and cities which, before February 24 when the invasion began, hardly anyone in Britain had heard of.
Less than a fortnight later, places such as Mariupol and Irpin are becoming horribly familiar as each day brings further suffering.
There were also scenes of devastation after attacks on residential areas in the city of Ovruch and village of Markhalivka, which are both close to Kyiv.
Almost 1,000 children have already been wounded, according to Ukraine's government, while 331 civilians, including at least 28 children, have been killed.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...t-victims-slaughtered-tried-flee-Ukraine.html
This is the moment the grieving parents of an 18-month-old boy rushed into hospital weeping over their son's dead body after the toddler was killed by Russian shelling - as Russian forces spent another day shelling Ukrainian civilians yesterday killing at least eight.
The 18-month-old boy named Kirill was fatally wounded in the the southern city of Mariupol after Russian forces shelled Ukraine's second city just minutes into an agreed ceasefire on Saturday.
Kirill's devastated mother Marina Yatsko and her boyfriend Fedor were later seen grieving as they embraced their son's lifeless body laid out on a stretcher in the besieged city.
And yesterday, in some of the most harrowing scenes of the war so far, the bodies of those killed in the mortar attack were seen lying motionless on a road.
Beside them were suitcases packed ahead of what they hoped would be a journey to safety. There was even a pet carrier among the luggage.
Three members of the same family were among those killed in the attack by Vladimir Putin's forces on Irpin, a town 12 miles from Kyiv.
Devastating images show the father of an 18-month-old boy named Kirill running into a hospital in Ukraine with his dying son
The grieving parents embraced their son's lifeless body laid out on a stretcher in the besieged city after the region came under shelling from Russian forces
Horrific images captured the terrifying experience of mothers, fathers, grandparents and children running from Russian artillery fire.
On the 11th day of the conflict, men, women and children were needlessly targeted and their neighbourhoods reduced to ruins.
Across Ukraine, ceasefires brokered by the Red Cross were breached and humanitarian corridors were closed. The UK Government said Russia was targeting 'populated areas' to break the resistance of the Ukrainian people.
The use of this heinous tactic was beyond dispute last night despite Putin's denials and the disinformation emitting from Moscow.
Ukrainians are dying in towns and cities which, before February 24 when the invasion began, hardly anyone in Britain had heard of.
Less than a fortnight later, places such as Mariupol and Irpin are becoming horribly familiar as each day brings further suffering.
There were also scenes of devastation after attacks on residential areas in the city of Ovruch and village of Markhalivka, which are both close to Kyiv.
Almost 1,000 children have already been wounded, according to Ukraine's government, while 331 civilians, including at least 28 children, have been killed.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...t-victims-slaughtered-tried-flee-Ukraine.html
dseag2
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Our current administration is "between a rock and a hard place" between relying on oil and trying to avoid climate change.
https://www.americanrivers.org/2022...V4BayoQpYub1-RCXlMLhMnIhiSjhh8zBoCuw4QAvD_BwE
If you don't believe in climate change, just wait until it hits your area like it did ours in Texas last year when over 200 people died because of cold temps and no electricity. Apply your "smell test" to this.
Furryanimal
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Come to Mother Russia..
LVIV/KYIV, Ukraine, March 7 (Reuters) - Russia's military will hold fire and open humanitarian corridors in several Ukrainian cities on Monday, the Defence Ministry said, after fighting halted weekend evacuation efforts and civilian casualties from Russia's invasion mounted.
The corridors will opened at 10 a.m. Moscow time (0700 GMT) from the capital Kyiv as well as the cities of Kharkiv, Mariupol and Sumy and are being set up at the personal request of French President Emmanuel Macron, the ministry said.
According to maps published by the RIA news agency, the corridor from Kyiv will lead to Russian ally Belarus, and civilians from Kharkiv will only have a corridor leading to Russia. Corridors from Mariupol and Sumy will lead both to other Ukrainian cities and to Russia.
Those who want to leave Kyiv will also be able to be airlifted to Russia, the ministry said, adding it would use drones to monitor the evacuation.
"Attempts by the Ukrainian side to deceive Russia and the whole civilised world ... are useless this time," the ministry said
LVIV/KYIV, Ukraine, March 7 (Reuters) - Russia's military will hold fire and open humanitarian corridors in several Ukrainian cities on Monday, the Defence Ministry said, after fighting halted weekend evacuation efforts and civilian casualties from Russia's invasion mounted.
The corridors will opened at 10 a.m. Moscow time (0700 GMT) from the capital Kyiv as well as the cities of Kharkiv, Mariupol and Sumy and are being set up at the personal request of French President Emmanuel Macron, the ministry said.
According to maps published by the RIA news agency, the corridor from Kyiv will lead to Russian ally Belarus, and civilians from Kharkiv will only have a corridor leading to Russia. Corridors from Mariupol and Sumy will lead both to other Ukrainian cities and to Russia.
Those who want to leave Kyiv will also be able to be airlifted to Russia, the ministry said, adding it would use drones to monitor the evacuation.
"Attempts by the Ukrainian side to deceive Russia and the whole civilised world ... are useless this time," the ministry said
hollydolly
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We thought we were liberating Ukraine from the Nazis
A captured Russian commander has begged for 'mercy' for Putin's forces attacking Ukraine, saying they were duped into invading in the false belief that the government had been overthrown by Nazis and needing liberating.
The man, who said he is a lieutenant-colonel in the Russian national guard's special rapid response unit, said his countrymen have been 'brainwashed' into supporting the war but - having seen the situation in Ukraine for himself - he now feels 'shame' in taking part and says Ukrainians are 'right' to resist.
Mikhailovich said his doubts solidified when he saw two of his favourite boxers - Oleksandr Usyk and Vasiliy Lomachenko - agreeing to fight for the resistance. And in a stark message delivered to Russian troops still fighting, he said: 'I'm begging you, stop before it is too late... Russia cannot win here.'
It echoes statements given by other Russian prisoners interviewed by Ukrainian forces, who said the order to attack came at short notice, that they were told the Ukrainian government had been deposed, and that they were going in a 'liberators' who should expect only light resistance. Instead, they walked into a bloodbath.
None of their accounts can be verified, and all statements are likely to have been given under some degree of duress. But the consistency with which the same story is being told - by soldiers from different units fighting in different areas of the country who have not had time to align their stories - is striking.
It came as Russian renewed its attack on surrounded Ukrainian cities today - pounding Mariupol, Chernihiv and Kharkiv in the early hours, though without making any significant ground gains. Except for limited advances in the south, Putin's force has now largely been at a standstill for days while taking heavy losses.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...r-Russian-POW-begs-mercy-invading-forces.html
squatting dog
We don't have as far to go, as we've already been
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Okay... I'll wait.
The all-time coldest temperature in Houston was 6 degrees on Feb. 12 and 13, 1899.
The all-time coldest for any month in Houston was 5 degrees on Jan. 18, 1930.
The all-time coldest December temperature in Houston was 7 degrees on Dec. 23, 1989.
And in the state of Texas it was -23 degrees Fahrenheit, in Tulia on February 12, 1899
and again in Seminole on February 8, 1933.
squatting dog
We don't have as far to go, as we've already been
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The Chancellery of the Prime Minister of Poland called this out as fake news just hours before Blinkens appearance on CBS News.
Yet he spun the lie anyway.
The Chancellery of the Prime Minister of Poland states, “Poland won’t send its fighter jets to #Ukraine as well as allow to use its airports. We significantly help in many other areas.”
Lewkat
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Having learned from horrible past experiences re: war, Europeans are closing ranks and going after the Russians in Ukraine. They are all war weary and want no more, and who can blame them? There is no reason for a sovereign nation like Ukraine to roll over and just give in to Putin as was mentioned in an earlier comment. Every country has a right to self determination and not be dictated to.
Furryanimal
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WASHINGTON, March 7 (Reuters) - Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy appealed to American Jews for support on Monday with an unsparing account of Russian destruction in his country that he compared to the Nazi German army marching across Europe.
"This is just a pure Nazi behavior. I can't even qualify this in any different manner," Zelenskiy told an umbrellas group, the Conference of Presidents of American Jewish Organizations, as he continued to press for more fighter planes from the West and a no-fly zone that NATO has so far rejected.
Zelenskiy ran through a list of the cities and towns he said had been destroyed by Russian forces, while outnumbered Ukrainians were fighting with everything they had, even when they had no weapons.
"They are throwing themselves under the tanks - just for you to understand what's happening here," the Ukrainian leader, who is Jewish, said in a Zoom call.
The Russians are not letting people leave towns and cities they have attacked, are not allowing food and water to be brought in and are disconnecting the internet, television and electricity, he said.
"All of this happened during Nazi times," he said. "The survival of the Ukrainian nation - the question will be the same as anti-semitism.... All of these millions of people are going to be exterminated."
Zelenskiy said 13 people died in the bombing of a bakery in Kyiv on Monday and on Sunday, 50 children with cancer had to be moved after a missile hit a pediatric hospital in the city.
Russia calls the campaign it launched on Feb. 24 a "special military operation" to disarm Ukraine and remove leaders it describes as neo-Nazis. Ukraine and its allies call this a pretext for an invasion to conquer the nation of 44 million.
The scope and scale of the Russian assault on his country was as unexpected and devastating as the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks were for Americans, he said.
"They're bombing the life out of everything that is moving,"
Zelenskiy told the group.
Reporting by Doina Chiacu; Editing by Cynthia Osterman
"This is just a pure Nazi behavior. I can't even qualify this in any different manner," Zelenskiy told an umbrellas group, the Conference of Presidents of American Jewish Organizations, as he continued to press for more fighter planes from the West and a no-fly zone that NATO has so far rejected.
Zelenskiy ran through a list of the cities and towns he said had been destroyed by Russian forces, while outnumbered Ukrainians were fighting with everything they had, even when they had no weapons.
"They are throwing themselves under the tanks - just for you to understand what's happening here," the Ukrainian leader, who is Jewish, said in a Zoom call.
The Russians are not letting people leave towns and cities they have attacked, are not allowing food and water to be brought in and are disconnecting the internet, television and electricity, he said.
"All of this happened during Nazi times," he said. "The survival of the Ukrainian nation - the question will be the same as anti-semitism.... All of these millions of people are going to be exterminated."
Zelenskiy said 13 people died in the bombing of a bakery in Kyiv on Monday and on Sunday, 50 children with cancer had to be moved after a missile hit a pediatric hospital in the city.
Russia calls the campaign it launched on Feb. 24 a "special military operation" to disarm Ukraine and remove leaders it describes as neo-Nazis. Ukraine and its allies call this a pretext for an invasion to conquer the nation of 44 million.
The scope and scale of the Russian assault on his country was as unexpected and devastating as the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks were for Americans, he said.
"They're bombing the life out of everything that is moving,"
Zelenskiy told the group.
Reporting by Doina Chiacu; Editing by Cynthia Osterman
Furryanimal
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LONDON, March 8 (Reuters) - Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy will address British lawmakers via videolink in the House of Commons on Tuesday, the first time a president of another country has addressed the main Westminster chamber.
Zelenskiy, who has spoken to British Prime Minister Boris Johnson on several occasions since Russia invaded his country, has made a number of impassioned speeches to Western leaders in the last week, asking for supplies and military support.
He will address the chamber at 1700 GMT when formal parliamentary business will be suspended. Lawmakers will be able to watch the speech on screens installed overnight, with 500 headsets providing a simultaneous translation in English.
Former world leaders including U.S. Presidents Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, and Germany's Angela Merkel, have previously made speeches in other parts of the parliamentary estate on the banks of the River Thames, including in the ornate Royal Gallery or vast Westminster Hall.
"Every parliamentarian wants to hear directly from the president, who will be speaking to us live from Ukraine, so this is an important opportunity for the House," Speaker Lindsay Hoyle said in a statement.
"Thanks again to our incredible staff for working at pace to make this historic address possible."
Ben Wallace, Britain's defence minister, told Sky News he expected the address to be "incredibly powerful".
"President Zelenskiy is the spirit of Ukraine, which is young, which is liberal thinking, which is outward facing, which is European, and that's what Russia or President (Vladimir) Putin just doesn't understand," he said.
Ukraine's ambassador to London was given a very rare standing ovation when he appeared in the chamber to observe Johnson answering lawmakers' questions last week.
Reporting by Kate Holton; editing by Michael Holden
Zelenskiy, who has spoken to British Prime Minister Boris Johnson on several occasions since Russia invaded his country, has made a number of impassioned speeches to Western leaders in the last week, asking for supplies and military support.
He will address the chamber at 1700 GMT when formal parliamentary business will be suspended. Lawmakers will be able to watch the speech on screens installed overnight, with 500 headsets providing a simultaneous translation in English.
Former world leaders including U.S. Presidents Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, and Germany's Angela Merkel, have previously made speeches in other parts of the parliamentary estate on the banks of the River Thames, including in the ornate Royal Gallery or vast Westminster Hall.
"Every parliamentarian wants to hear directly from the president, who will be speaking to us live from Ukraine, so this is an important opportunity for the House," Speaker Lindsay Hoyle said in a statement.
"Thanks again to our incredible staff for working at pace to make this historic address possible."
Ben Wallace, Britain's defence minister, told Sky News he expected the address to be "incredibly powerful".
"President Zelenskiy is the spirit of Ukraine, which is young, which is liberal thinking, which is outward facing, which is European, and that's what Russia or President (Vladimir) Putin just doesn't understand," he said.
Ukraine's ambassador to London was given a very rare standing ovation when he appeared in the chamber to observe Johnson answering lawmakers' questions last week.
Reporting by Kate Holton; editing by Michael Holden
At least someone here has the facts right. I was beginning to think all Americans were completely ignorant of the truth!
Oh come on Lavinia, are you deliberately trying to piss people off? No, all people are never at the same level just as all people from England are not rude. "all Americans were completely ignorant of the truth!"
I've never been accused of being an apologist or a patriotit but you girl are being ridiculous. I'm calling you out!
David777
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Note I have not had cable tv for over 2 decades and currently never streaming services so am OTA. Here in the SFBA, I can reach 100 to 120 channels each day though the majority are foreign language ethnic channels, especially SE Asian and Hispanic. But all the US broadcast channels plus public channels including a mix of NHK (Japan), France24, DW (Germany), BBC, CN (Chinese), and other external news sites in English. These tend to provide a less biased mix of war and political news than from our USA networks. As I've noted in other posts herein, I didn't know squat about this conflict until it recently arose. As a senior, am sick of a lifetime of manipulative US and global politics in media, so tend to usually ignore it. My main purpose in posting a bit is to help balance information.
In recent days of the war, the creation of humanitarian corridors, have been a common facet of news discussion. Opposing sides have muddied the understandable state of these escape routes by announcing their own biased views of what is happening. As usual in a war, truth is of little interest if some narrative advantage with their public audience can be attained. Russia in particular is manipulating this the most. The following article on what they did in the Syrian conflict exposes their ruthless game plan, that apparently has been embraced since their war bogged down.
https://www.npr.org/2022/03/08/1085...s-about-russias-use-of-humanitarian-corridors
My input herein is to expose other reasons not being illuminated in news. That is an obvious reason Russia proposed corridors into Russia and Belarus, since those corridors would prevent use by their opponents. Of course, neither side or their media mentions that because much of their audiences are easily manipulated.
So an issue not mentioned is the corridors without checkpoints that is the current situation, might be used by opposing forces to funnel more than just fleeing people into and out of conflict zones as in weapons, and disguised combatants.
A second issue being recently denied by either side is the use of disguised foreign conscripts. Russia is using some Syrian soldiers familiar with urban gorilla warfare while Ukraine likewise employs Western military technical advisers not surprisingly.
In recent days of the war, the creation of humanitarian corridors, have been a common facet of news discussion. Opposing sides have muddied the understandable state of these escape routes by announcing their own biased views of what is happening. As usual in a war, truth is of little interest if some narrative advantage with their public audience can be attained. Russia in particular is manipulating this the most. The following article on what they did in the Syrian conflict exposes their ruthless game plan, that apparently has been embraced since their war bogged down.
https://www.npr.org/2022/03/08/1085...s-about-russias-use-of-humanitarian-corridors
My input herein is to expose other reasons not being illuminated in news. That is an obvious reason Russia proposed corridors into Russia and Belarus, since those corridors would prevent use by their opponents. Of course, neither side or their media mentions that because much of their audiences are easily manipulated.
So an issue not mentioned is the corridors without checkpoints that is the current situation, might be used by opposing forces to funnel more than just fleeing people into and out of conflict zones as in weapons, and disguised combatants.
A second issue being recently denied by either side is the use of disguised foreign conscripts. Russia is using some Syrian soldiers familiar with urban gorilla warfare while Ukraine likewise employs Western military technical advisers not surprisingly.
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David777
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- Silicon Valley
For those that do not have cable access to live streaming on some of the major international sites I noted above. The below links will provide a range of perspectives and narratives uncommon in the USA, one can stream via the Internet including live streams if available:
https://www.france24.com/en/
https://www.france24.com/en/live
Particularly enlightening is their The Debate forums with expert guests adding perspectives.
German DW tv
https://www.dw.com/en/tv/s-1452
https://www.dw.com/en/live-tv/s-100825
BBC English
https://www.bbc.com/news/world_radio_and_tv
Japan NHK World tv
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/live/
China CGTN tv
https://www.cgtn.com/
https://www.france24.com/en/
https://www.france24.com/en/live
Particularly enlightening is their The Debate forums with expert guests adding perspectives.
German DW tv
https://www.dw.com/en/tv/s-1452
https://www.dw.com/en/live-tv/s-100825
BBC English
https://www.bbc.com/news/world_radio_and_tv
Japan NHK World tv
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/live/
China CGTN tv
https://www.cgtn.com/
Warrigal
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I'm a bit nocturnal and I have a radio beside my bed. I often listen to the BBC news service at different times during the night and can sometimes pick up radio Netherlands. I also watch/listen to the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) for news and analysis. I find non commercial media much more informative than commercial radio and TV and less sensational.
I keep in mind that during conflict some things are hidden from the public and truth is often manipulated for propaganda purposes. I try to absorb what I see/hear with a degree of scepticism but that requires a level of intellectual detachment that is sometimes hard to achieve.
I am watching the Ukraine situation with a mixture of disinterest and horror. Inside I am weeping.
I keep in mind that during conflict some things are hidden from the public and truth is often manipulated for propaganda purposes. I try to absorb what I see/hear with a degree of scepticism but that requires a level of intellectual detachment that is sometimes hard to achieve.
I am watching the Ukraine situation with a mixture of disinterest and horror. Inside I am weeping.