Damn, we're getting fat.

Don M. said:
I've also noticed a "common trait" among those substantially overweight when going through the grocery store checkout....their cart always seems to have a bunch of beer and/or diet soda in it. Consuming large quantities of those "drinks" is a sure recipe for gaining weight.
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I learned some time ago that......beer, any carbonated liquids, sparkling wine stretches your stomach.....so therefore room for a lot more of everything.
 

It's a strange society that I live in! There is a lot of pressure to accept people who are fat. Apparently "fat shaming" is a no no. We are told that big (or fat) is acceptable. We may stop "fat shaming" but every doctor in this country and others will tell you that being obese just shortens your life. The heart has to work that much more. The extra weight is hard on your knees. Most people who snore at night are over weigh. Usually the mental self image of fat people is not all that good. You have difficulty walking and you have to wear those terrible flannel pants with elastic waist bands and where it writes "Sport" on one of the legs. And sadly, fat people are usually the 1st candidate for those electric scooters you see in the malls when they get older. Their legs have given up and they are no longer mobile. When I was in China, a young Chinese student told me that the people in mainland China are all skinny because rice is in their daily diet. However, in Hong Kong where there are MacDonald restaurants is where you find the fat Chinese. That is something to think about? Anyone here for burgers and fries? How about a Whopper with extra large order of fries?
 
dseag2 said:
Interesting article. I stand corrected. It's the "ignorance" factor instead.
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Yes and the kid factor, the poor tend to have more kids and the fastest way to shut them up is fast food. šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚
 

Packerjohn said:
It's a strange society that I live in! There is a lot of pressure to accept people who are fat. Apparently "fat shaming" is a no no. We are told that big (or fat) is acceptable. We may stop "fat shaming" but every doctor in this country and others will tell you that being obese just shortens your life. The heart has to work that much more. The extra weight is hard on your knees. Most people who snore at night are over weigh. Usually the mental self image of fat people is not all that good. You have difficulty walking and you have to wear those terrible flannel pants with elastic waist bands and where it writes "Sport" on one of the legs. And sadly, fat people are usually the 1st candidate for those electric scooters you see in the malls when they get older. Their legs have given up and they are no longer mobile. When I was in China, a young Chinese student told me that the people in mainland China are all skinny because rice is in their daily diet. However, in Hong Kong where there are MacDonald restaurants is where you find the fat Chinese. That is something to think about? Anyone here for burgers and fries? How about a Whopper with extra large order of fries?
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Your post really stereotypes people. Yes, fat shaming is out-guess what-any type of shaming of human beings it out.

Thought you might have notice that, but you are old and probably not up to date on the world. and you probably shuffle around in loose pants, a shirt with buttons, and slippers on your feet. These words, would of course, be stereotyping an elderly person and elderly shaming.

Now that you mention doctors, do you notice a lot of doctors are overweight-physician heal thyself. šŸ˜‚. Very few people wear flannel, except on the winter, itā€™s so very hot. I think you mean sweat pants which are not made of flannel but do have an elastic waist band. Most everyone wears sweat pants, thin and fat and obese, old and young, cause they are comfortable and comfort is ā€inā€.

Lots of ā€fatā€ people walk a lot. Lots of obese people became obese because of medical issues which prevented them from exercise or thyroid issues or issues where, like me, they take prednisone or other drugs. Try losing weight on that drug, try not gaining weight on that drug, and other drugs.

As for rice, itā€™s a carb, you gain weight on rice and it raises your blood sugar more than ice cream. I know this, I have throughly tested this issue. šŸ˜‚
 
dseag2 said:
Since retirement we eat salads for lunch 5 days a week with chopped-up chicken for protein.
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My daughter was talking to an Australian friend who wanted to know what cultural shocks he would encounter if he visits here. The first thing she told him about was the large portions most restaurants have.

I eat salad nearly every day. Today, I looked at my daughter's grocery list, and the only thing on it was sweets and popcorn. I added meat and produce, along with instructions to carefully check the produce for mold. If even one piece has mold on it, that means the mold spores are on nearly every piece. This, according to my daughter's college biology professor.

I have noticed that the grocery stores here sell moldy produce to the unwary. I tell the produce managers about it, and they always look surprised. Of course, they are not. Entire displays of strawberries have every single package with multiple moldy fruits, and these are usually on the bottom. It occurs mostly with berries, tangerines, and any fruit sold in bags of 3 lbs.
 
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WheatenLover said:
My daughter was talking to an Australian friend who wanted to know what cultural shocks he would encounter if he visits here. The first thing she told him about was the large portions most restaurants have.

I eat salad nearly every day. Today, I looked at my daughter's grocery list, and the only thing on it was sweets. I added meat and produce, along with instructions to carefully check the produce for mold. If even one piece has mold on it, that means the mold spores are on nearly every piece. This, according to my daughter's college biology professor.

I have noticed that the grocery stores here sell moldy produce to the unwary. I tell the produce managers about it, and they always look surprised. Of course, they are not. Entire displays of strawberries have every single package with multiple moldy fruits, and these are usually on the bottom.
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I agree. Always check for mold. Iā€™ve been served brown lettuce in restaurants, yuck. Here, if there is a broken egg in the container at the grocery store, the entire box has to be thrown away. Yup, itā€™s that dangerous for food poisoning.
 
Packerjohn said:
It's a strange society that I live in! There is a lot of pressure to accept people who are fat.
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I don't like it at all when people are fat-shamed. They already know how much they weigh, and the last thing they need is ugly comments. The comments don't help, and they do hurt. I have also seen people (mostly men) who fat-shame women, when they themselves are very much overweight. That takes a lot of family jewels, under the circumstance. I tell them so, in a polite way - like the previous sentence.

I heard plenty of ugly comments directed toward my SIL/best friend.She weighed over 300 lbs and was 5' tall. She was also the most friendly, loving, compassionate, talented, and empathic people I have ever met.

I'd tell the person that those comments are ugly and don't help my SIL. Usually, the ingrate would tell me that it was none of my business. Of course it was! I replied that she was my SIL and I loved her dearly. Frankly, I thought the (usually loud) comments were everyone's business, since they were spoken to humiliate my SIL in public. I'd have gone after anyone who said those things to her privately, too.
 
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charry said:
The enamel will come off eventually with age !!
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Perhaps, but also maybe people who take care of their teeth and don't drink sodas keep their enamel.

I say this as a person who never developed a taste for soda, so here's hoping I keep my enamel where it belongs -- on my teeth!
 
WheatenLover said:
I don't like it at all when people are fat-shamed. They already know how much they weigh, and the last thing they need is ugly comments. The comments don't help, and they do hurt. I have also seen people (mostly men) who fat-shame women, when they themselves are very much overweight. That takes a lot of family jewels, under the circumstance. I tell them so, in a polite way - like the previous sentence.

I heard plenty of ugly comments directed toward my SIL/best friend.She weighed over 300 lbs and was 5' tall. She was also the most friendly, loving, compassionate, talented, and empathic people I have ever met.

I'd tell the person that those comments are ugly and don't help my SIL. Usually, the ingrate would tell me that it was none of my business. Of course it was! I replied that she was my SIL and I loved her dearly. Frankly, I thought the (usually loud) comments were everyone's business, since they were spoken to humiliate my SIL in public. I'd have gone after anyone who said those things to her privately, too.
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Fat-shaming and unkind comments are totally unacceptable. But it's a fine line. If your dear friend were a heavy smoker or drank too much, you would probably encourage her to quit or cut back. Obesity is just as deadly, plus it prevents people from enjoying many aspects of life. I wrestle with this with my daughter, who is overweight. She is a lovely person, hard-working and kind. But I think she would enjoy life more if she were fit. For now I'm just keeping my mouth shut.
 
JimBob1952 said:
Fat-shaming and unkind comments are totally unacceptable. But it's a fine line. If your dear friend were a heavy smoker or drank too much, you would probably encourage her to quit or cut back. Obesity is just as deadly, plus it prevents people from enjoying many aspects of life. I wrestle with this with my daughter, who is overweight. She is a lovely person, hard-working and kind. But I think she would enjoy life more if she were fit. For now I'm just keeping my mouth shut.
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She is dead. She died from a massive stroke at age 46. She already knew the facts, and that obesity can be deadly. She started taking diet pills when she was about 8 years old -- her parents made her do it. They could have taken a much more positive approach, but way back then, I guess doctors thought that was okay.

My daughter is overweight, too. I do not talk to her about it unless she brings it up, and only if it fits into the conversation. She knows all about the dangers of being overweight, although she is not morbidly obese.

I have one friend who smokes, although not heavily. She has tried to quit many times. She knows the damage smoking can do. She had 1/3 of a lung removed when she had lung cancer. She is an adult. She keeps her smoking a secret, as much as possible. This cuts down on how many cigarettes she smokes. I have encouraged her to quit smoking, but she says she can't. There is no point to me harping on this subject.
 
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WheatenLover said:
I drink 10-12 cups of water a day. It's so much because that's what my oncologist recommends. It is hard to drink that much water, although I am pretty used to it now. I used to drink 8 cups per day.
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A litre and half I was recommended, plus your usual drinks ...
I drink flavoured water, mixed with sparkling water...
I never drink from the tap .....
 
The pendulum has swung from obese-shaming to obese-normalizing. Neither extreme is good. In the 50s and before, obese children were extremely rare. Back then meals were made from "real" food. Today's Standard American Diet (acronym SAD - how apt is that?) is high in fat, sugar, salt and processed foods (which themselves are high in fat, sugar, salt and all manner of chemical additives).

Americans are so busy genuflecting before the altar of capitalism, that we allow corporations to poison our population and destroy our bodies in the name of almighty profits, then we resentfully pay big pharma, doctors, hospitals and healthcare workers to try to ameliorate the damage done over decades.

JimBob1952 said:
The food desert myth has been debunked repeatedly. The real problem is ignorance and bad choices, not access to healthy foods. Taking a family of four to McDonald's for dinner costs much more than a healthy dinner at home ever would.

https://news.uchicago.edu/story/foo...trition-gap-between-rich-and-poor-study-finds
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As someone who eats a 95% plant based diet I can say with some authority that it's much cheaper to eat beans, rice, whole grains, fruits and veggies (fresh, frozen or canned) than to buy meat, dairy and processed foods. Even more so with animal-based food products ratcheting up in price.

Anyone with a crockpot can pull together a healthy, delicious meal in the morning for that night's dinner. The internet is loaded with recipes for healthy meals.

Making real (not instant) oatmeal on the stovetop is a snap, but many continue to opt for bacon or sausage and eggs, biscuits and gravy, fried potatoes, and pancakes swimming in butter and syrup, then wonder why they're suffering with health problems.

Carbs do not make people fat. It's the butter and sour cream on the baked potato that do people in. The butter on the bread. The oil (even olive oil) and cheese on the pasta. The fats and sugars in pastries. The avocado on the toast. The fat in virtually every animal based product people eat (even steamed skinless chicken and fish). Combine sugar, fat and salt and it's a double whammy. I love chocolate, too, but control my intake.

McDonald's chicken nuggets? Talk about a nutritional disaster - 6 pcs are 270 calories, 140 of which come from fat. Yuk.

Our obesity crisis isn't hard to figure out. Just look at what people buy at McDonald's, Starbucks, Taco Bell, Chick-fil-A, Wendy's, Subway, Domino, KFC, Dunkin Donuts, and other popular chain restaurants. Hint: They're not there for the black coffee and the salads...

Rant over.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
I went grocery shopping yesterday. As I was waiting in the check out line, I started to notice other shoppers. I'm 40 lbs. (18KG) overweight. As I looked around, I was the thinnest person on line. Most of them were huge. I thought about all the yards of material to cover our butts. Like I said I'm no slouch about being overweight, but these people were obese. No way could you consider us as "healthy". It was obvious we were all headed for major medical problems. All I could think of was "Damn, we're getting fat".
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I've been studying/reading about this for a year come January and am convinced the American people (and other countries as well possibly) have bought into a lot of lies about The Standard American Diet. Even athletes are learning that high-carbs for energy and low-fats fail to make a strong body, or build up immune systems. I now agree since "having" to change (diagnose with T2 Diabetes Jan. 2021) to what I call the Keto diet which can work for meat eaters, vegans or vegetarians as well.

To explain it simply, it's training your body to burn fat for it's main fuel source, for lack of carbs. The percentages are something like High fats (good and healthy fats including saturated fats which we've proven are good for us) then our proteins, and then keeping our carb intake below 50. I was not overweight, but I can tell you I was over healthy fat percentages. I've lost from 140, down to 117 since in 5 months. Lately I'm stable as I admit I do walking regular, and a rowing machine. I'm 68, feel maybe 10 years younger. I struggle some days as I have a few issues I battle, and have to keep up that battle. Losing the weight has helped so much, and I lost most of the weight without any exercise except walking my dog. Then I felt and looked too thin so got focused on strengthening/toning muscle.

I love youtube videos on Insulin Resistance and Keto, and of IR can be present (a warning of diabetes to come I've read) long before diabetes shows up. You DO NOT need to look or even be overweight to get diabetes, I do believe that. Youtube, Pubmed, and many more places to do your homework if you want to find healthy ways to lose weight. You have to weed out the "fad" crap though, it takes work to take responsibility for your health and not leave it all to the doctors.

One guy I think is top-notch that I follow on Youtube, is Dr. Benjamin Bikman. Here's just one video to see if you might be interested. He doesn't try to sell stuff:
 
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StarSong said:
The pendulum has swung from obese-shaming to obese-normalizing. Neither extreme is good. In the 50s and before, obese children were extremely rare. Back then meals were made from "real" food. Today's Standard American Diet (acronym SAD - how apt is that?) is high in fat, sugar, salt and processed foods (which themselves are high in fat, sugar, salt and all manner of chemical additives).

Americans are so busy genuflecting before the altar of capitalism, that we allow corporations to poison our population and destroy our bodies in the name of almighty profits, then we resentfully pay big pharma, doctors, hospitals and healthcare workers to try to ameliorate the damage done over decades.


As someone who eats a 95% plant based diet I can say with some authority that it's much cheaper to eat beans, rice, whole grains, fruits and veggies (fresh, frozen or canned) than to buy meat, dairy and processed foods. Even more so with animal-based food products ratcheting up in price.

Anyone with a crockpot can pull together a healthy, delicious meal in the morning for that night's dinner. The internet is loaded with recipes for healthy meals.

Making real (not instant) oatmeal on the stovetop is a snap, but many continue to opt for bacon or sausage and eggs, biscuits and gravy, fried potatoes, and pancakes swimming in butter and syrup, then wonder why they're suffering with health problems.

Carbs do not make people fat. It's the butter and sour cream on the baked potato that do people in. The butter on the bread. The oil (even olive oil) and cheese on the pasta. The fats and sugars in pastries. The avocado on the toast. The fat in virtually every animal based product people eat (even steamed skinless chicken and fish). Combine sugar, fat and salt and it's a double whammy. I love chocolate, too, but control my intake.

McDonald's chicken nuggets? Talk about a nutritional disaster - 6 pcs are 270 calories, 140 of which come from fat. Yuk.

Our obesity crisis isn't hard to figure out. Just look at what people buy at McDonald's, Starbucks, Taco Bell, Chick-fil-A, Wendy's, Subway, Domino, KFC, Dunkin Donuts, and other popular chain restaurants. Hint: They're not there for the black coffee and the salads...

Rant over.
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StarSong said:
The pendulum has swung from obese-shaming to obese-normalizing. Neither extreme is good. In the 50s and before, obese children were extremely rare. Back then meals were made from "real" food. Today's Standard American Diet (acronym SAD - how apt is that?) is high in fat, sugar, salt and processed foods (which themselves are high in fat, sugar, salt and all manner of chemical additives).

Americans are so busy genuflecting before the altar of capitalism, that we allow corporations to poison our population and destroy our bodies in the name of almighty profits, then we resentfully pay big pharma, doctors, hospitals and healthcare workers to try to ameliorate the damage done over decades.


As someone who eats a 95% plant based diet I can say with some authority that it's much cheaper to eat beans, rice, whole grains, fruits and veggies (fresh, frozen or canned) than to buy meat, dairy and processed foods. Even more so with animal-based food products ratcheting up in price.

Anyone with a crockpot can pull together a healthy, delicious meal in the morning for that night's dinner. The internet is loaded with recipes for healthy meals.

Making real (not instant) oatmeal on the stovetop is a snap, but many continue to opt for bacon or sausage and eggs, biscuits and gravy, fried potatoes, and pancakes swimming in butter and syrup, then wonder why they're suffering with health problems.

Carbs do not make people fat. It's the butter and sour cream on the baked potato that do people in. The butter on the bread. The oil (even olive oil) and cheese on the pasta. The fats and sugars in pastries. The avocado on the toast. The fat in virtually every animal based product people eat (even steamed skinless chicken and fish). Combine sugar, fat and salt and it's a double whammy. I love chocolate, too, but control my intake.

McDonald's chicken nuggets? Talk about a nutritional disaster - 6 pcs are 270 calories, 140 of which come from fat. Yuk.

Our obesity crisis isn't hard to figure out. Just look at what people buy at McDonald's, Starbucks, Taco Bell, Chick-fil-A, Wendy's, Subway, Domino, KFC, Dunkin Donuts, and other popular chain restaurants. Hint: They're not there for the black coffee and the salads...

Rant over.
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Not a rant. Very cogent argument for eating properly, and some good tips on how to do it. Kudos.
 
Everyone has their theories for what causes obesity.
As someone who dealt with obesity for half my life, I can say we're all not the same. What causes obesity in some people will not cause obesity in others. One size doesn't fit all.
 
True, but I have to say it's never hurt me to explore what's out there for information to see if "a certain size might fit me" and the one I talked about did. One problems is a lot of people want a quick fix, so they might choose the wrong information to try because it's easier.
 
charry said:
A litre and half I was recommended, plus your usual drinks ...
I drink flavoured water, mixed with sparkling water...
I never drink from the tap .....
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We filter our water, and we drink flavored water. I don't like having to recycle all those water bottles, so today I am putting a new filter in the water pitcher so we can resume drinking water from the tap. We have the world's biggest supply of water flavorings, so that should be fine.
 

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