Derek Chauvin's sentencing is tomorrow. What will it be?

oldiebutgoody said:
Indeed. We have gone over this but it has fallen on deaf ears.

As I have previously documented (please remember that I have a law degree) in Minnesota one must first ascertain that someone is knowingly passing counterfeit money in order to warrant an arrest. The cashier stated ON THE RECORD in a court of law under oath that he did not ask Floyd whether he knew the bill was counterfeit. Furthermore, the police were asked the same question and gave the same reply UNDER OATH. Therefore, an arrest was NOT, repeat: NOT warranted because no one ascertained whether he knew or did not know that he was committing a crime.

Previously I have mentioned that the Twin Cities has had a recent history of counterfeit bills being passed around due to organized criminals making counterfeit bills. One of my neighbors (a white guy) was told by a cashier the $20 bill he attempted to use was counterfeit. He was given the bill back and was NOT arrested. That's what you are supposed to do in this state.

George Floyd should not have been arrested in the first place. If those stupid cops had done their job and posed a simple question as to whether he knew the bill was real or not, none of these problems would have taken place.



Re fentanyl - in the state of Minnesota fentanyl is available by prescription only. Floyd had some of it in his system. But that was prescribed medicine which means he did not commit a crime by using it.


Re his criminal record - he has been clean since 2014. Therefore, his past is inconsequential. Heck, Saul of Tarsus was a convicted mass murderer. But he was forgiven and today he is called St Paul. The city I live in was named for him.



Like it or not, George Floyd was innocent. It was the cops who committed a crime by arresting him without making any effort to ascertain whether he knew the bill was counterfeit. Had those criminal cops not violated the law George Floyd would be alive today and we would have had far less chaos last summer in the cities. Blame the stupid cops and the jackass politicians who coddle them for the problems. Don't blame the innocent.
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A lovely post and right on spot, Oldiebutgoody!

Just LOVE your opening sentence... "We have gone over this but it has fallen on deaf ears".

To a T!
 

mellowyellow said:
In finding that Chauvin treated Mr Floyd with particular cruelty, Judge Cahill wrote:


Yes, it was cruel IMO
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As shown on live TV and the internet, an EMS medical worker was pleading with the murderous cop to take his knee off of Floyd's neck as he was choking to death. If you watched the trial you would know the cops told her to shut up and threatened her with arrest. As a medical worker she was only trying to save a life. Quite a contrast with the criminal cops who were hellbent on killing an innocent life.
 
My daughter wanted to change her name - it is spelled soo close to his last name.. My daugher name has Chauv but the remainder of her name is different. Her name is very unique.. I think she will keep it.
 

From the telegraph today....
State sentencing guidance for an offender convicted of second-degree murder but with no criminal history is 12.5 years. But the ultimate decision lies with Hennepin county judge Peter Cahill, who presided over Chauvin’s trial earlier this year, and has spent 14 years on the court.

Cahill has sided with prosecutors in motions filed after the guilty verdict, which argue there are four aggravating factors that should be considered in Chauvin’s sentencing. This means it is likely the former officer will face a sentence above the recommended length.

These aggravating factors are that Chauvin “abused a position of trust and authority”; he “acted with particular cruelty”; he committed the murder “in concert with three other individuals”, namely the three other officers involved in Floyd’s arrest who have been charged but not yet faced trial; and, finally, he carried out the act “in the presence of children”.
 
No matter what the sentence is, the fallout from Chauvin's actions will be felt, all over the nation, for years to come. As more and more police leave that career, and the others become reluctant to intervene, the Only winners in this event will be the criminals.

Many cities are already seeing major increases in crime and homicides, and those numbers will likely only continue to increase.
 
Aunt Marg said:
We've already seen your words played-out a hundred times over in past forum discussions related to George Floyd resisting arrest, and to date I have yet to see any law that paves the way for any cop to kill someone based solely on someone resisting arrest.
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How like you to move the goal posts and present another strawman argument. I was clearly talking about your definition of George Floyd as an "innocent man."

I find it hilarious that you, of all people, are complaining about the rest of us being repetitive in our posts.
I'll just let you have the thread to yourself, now the way you like it. You can continue to talk about Derek Chauvin as though he deserves the same treatment as those men who have kidnapped, raped and tortured children until they died. No nuances with you just give them all the death penalty.
 
Butterfly said:
If he hadn't been black, he wouldn't have died.
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Do you have any proof of that at all?

In 2020 police killed 457 white people and 241 black people. Were all those white people accidents?

Whether or not the police were correct in arresting Floyd, the fact remains that if had not resisted he would be alive. They were clearly treating him politely until he started wailing, thrashing around and fighting with them. You can't honestly believe that if had sat quietly in the back of the squad, they would have shot him.
 
Irwin said:
What's happened to Wikipedia?
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We're going into politics here, so without furthering that, I'll say that Wikipedia has a good bit of incorrect information. That said, if anyone wants to read it and depend on it for information, it's no skin off my nose. ;-)

The article I posted had a good deal of information taken from the Floyd autopsy:

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In fact, what the video shows is that Mr. Floyd was active, noisy, and calling out while essentially being held down on his stomach. Tobin testified that Chauvin and the other officers “restricted Mr. Floyd’s breathing by flattening his rib cage against the pavement and pushing his cuffed hands into his torso, and by the placement of Mr. Chauvin’s knees on his neck and back.” [(yep quoting Tobin)Should there be a close quotation mark here?]

Mr. Cashill points out that Dr. Andrew Baker’s detailed autopsy showed no neck or chest injury damage.

Layer by layer dissection of the anterior strap muscles of the neck discloses no areas of contusion or hemorrhage within the musculature…. The thyroid cartilage and hyoid bone are intact. The larynx is lined by intact mucosa.
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Etc. I thought it was worth noting. But it's okay if no one else does.
 
Devi said:
Yeah, suit yourself. Or you might check into what's happened to Wikipedia.

I don't close my ears because something is right or left wing.

At any rate, I read it, it made sense, I posted it, and that's that.
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Yes, I'd also like to know what's "happened" to Wikipedia.

About closing one's ears, I hear all the nonsense that is being ranted these days. Not much choice about that. But I try to use some judgement as to what I believe. A blog that claimed that the election was "stolen" loses its credibility right there. Why should I believe what they come up with about Chauvin's innocence?
 
Sunny said:
Yes, I'd also like to know what's "happened" to Wikipedia.

About closing one's ears, I hear all the nonsense that is being ranted these days. Not much choice about that. But I try to use some judgement as to what I believe. A blog that claimed that the election was "stolen" loses its credibility right there. Why should I believe what they come up with about Chauvin's innocence?
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Okay. They are checking ballots in various states, which has nothing to do with a right wing blog. But it's up to you. I'm outta here.
 
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I'm thinking it's going to be close or at the max. What I heard on TV this AM is prosecution is going for 30 years.

Despite Floyd's past history, which was not good, and his own behavior at his arrest, the behavior of Chauvin was egregious. I did see footage of Floyd kicking. There were plenty of officers there to handcuff the man and put him in leg restraints if needed. Once that was done he should have been sat up or put on his side. Not a knee on his neck for 10 minutes.
 
The "All cops are heroes" crowd who try to justify Chauvin's murderous act by talking about Floyd's criminal history omit the fact that none of the crimes on their list carry the death penalty.
And, even it they did, no cop has the right to decide who lives & who dies.
 
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Della said:
Do you have any proof of that at all?

In 2020 police killed 457 white people and 241 black people. Were all those white people accidents?

Whether or not the police were correct in arresting Floyd, the fact remains that if had not resisted he would be alive. They were clearly treating him politely until he started wailing, thrashing around and fighting with them. You can't honestly believe that if had sat quietly in the back of the squad, they would have shot him.
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People panic and act crazy, BUT COPS SHOULDN'T. They are professionals and must keep their cool. The arrested are under no regulations when it comes to fear & panic.

Also, black people make up a minor percentage of our population so more whites being killed, at 2-1, means little.
 
Pepper said:
Also, black people make up a minor percentage of our population so more whites being killed, at 2-1, means little.
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Butterfly said if he had been black he wouldn't have died. Implying that police never kill white people.
I pointed out that police killed 457 white people last year, demonstrating that they do kill white people. What do percentages have to do with that?
 

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