Discussion: Evolution reversus Creationism

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Vida May

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Is this a good place to discuss evolution versus Creationism?
 

Mr. Ed said:
Discuss to your heart‘s desire but i think it is a waste of time. Believers on the other hand may beg to differ because they are programmed by faith.
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There is absolutely no scientific evidence that any deity exists. And without a deity, there can be no creationism. Creationists cite "faith" as evidence of a deity. Faith is defined as a belief without an evidential basis.
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Albert Einstein, who said "The more I study science, the more I believe in God."

Francis Collins, who is the director of the Human Genome Project and a Christian.

Isaac Newton, who wrote extensively on theology and biblical prophecy.

Galileo Galilei, who defended the compatibility of science and faith against the Inquisition.

Blaise Pascal, who was a mathematician, physicist, and philosopher who wrote about the Christian faith.

Carl Linnaeus, who was the founder of systematic botany and a devout Lutheran.

Alessandro Volta, who discovered the basic notions of electricity and was a Catholic.

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Paco Dennis said:
there is one with 9 pages... Evolution vs creationism
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1917? Why would that old thread be interesting to anyone today? As good as the threads may be they are not the authority that a book might be. If I want information, I read books. If I want to participate in the discovery of information through the interaction of others, I came to the forum.

In the past I have tried picking up old threads and that has not worked well for me.
 
Vida May said:
1917? Why would that old thread be interesting to anyone today? As good as the threads may be they are not the authority that a book might be. If I want information, I read books. If I want to participate in the discovery of information through the interaction of others, I came to the forum.

In the past I have tried picking up old threads and that has not worked well for me.
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Lol, that's actually 2017, don't think this forum is 108 years old. That said, I doubt there's any new arguments to bring, in an
"Evolution versus Creationism" debate, at least in presenting ideological perspectives.
I find the Einstein comment very unifying and true: "The more I study science, the more I believe in God."
 
Elsie said:
Albert Einstein, who said "The more I study science, the more I believe in God."
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Why would that be? Is he talking about the God who walked with Adam and Eve and made them of mud? Does his belief in God include a belief in Satan, angels and demons? I can not imagine how science would support the God of Abraham mythology. Einstein was not always correct and certainly the quote is meaningless without knowing what he meant by God.

AI does offer an explanation of Einstein's belief in God:
Einstein famously stated he believed in "Spinoza's God," not a personal God that concerns itself with human affairs, but rather one revealed in the orderly harmony of the universe, viewing the concept of a personal God as "naïve".

Just because people believe there is a god, we should not assume they mean Christian mythology defines that god. I am okay with the possibility of a god but my notion of such a god is every different from the God of Abraham and the story of Adam and Eve.
 
Nathan said:
Lol, that's actually 2017, don't think this forum is 108 years old. That said, I doubt there's any new arguments to bring, in an
"Evolution versus Creationism" debate, at least in presenting ideological perspectives.
I find the Einstein comment very unifying and true: "The more I study science, the more I believe in God."
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Is it the bible that defines God for you, or science? If you are relying on science, what scientific concepts define a God?
 
You'd have to ask Einstein to explain himself (about God). 😁 Believe in God of the Bible, or not, it's of course up to you.
 
It's sort of obvious that a decent diet, good vaccinations of deadly diseases and most all species evolve bigger and stronger as the
ensuing generations continue to be born. Of course, Chaos, famines, deadly things like Volcanic eruptions, Hurricanes, Floods, deadly
disease can play havoc, create chaos and do much harm. Ya get no free pass that I can think of. Pray all you want. It's your thing.
But leave, move to higher ground in these next 30 years or buy boats by the millions most likely. Most likely most all living on islands,
South Florida, Keys, Texas, New Orleans all along the coast and major rivers will be breathing compressed air from a tank by 2070 give or take
25 years or so. No promise just a thoughts of observed high tide crests. 5% of the USA is wetlands now.

But if you consider high tides in the north you see incredible heights so they are not out of the flood by a100 feet. One can easily imagine
Tides rushing in 20 / 30 miles every day. Wetland square miles by the X's 1000. So one can imagine half of his state under water if it is
a coastline state to the Oceans. Then most all river valleys under water and noon on July 4th. So one needs to live at least 150 feet above
The River valley flood line today in the not-so-distant future as the Ice melts like noon showdown in Arizona.

Only a shift in the Earths orbit can change what's coming. Then an ice age most likely quickly. Probably everyone has watched film of
The Glaciers calving Icebergs. It has only sped up in the last 75 years or since we were kids watching them from a charter boat or TV.
 
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I remember reading a story someone posted on the internet about a young college student debating his atheist professor about God's existence. I can't remember the details of the argument, but in the end, he totally stumps the professor. But there is a twist to the story a the end when it reveals that the young student was Albert Einstein.

This sounded a bit fishy, because Einstein always seemed to be circumspect when questioned about his belief in Gods. I googled some an found that the story was fabricated. Of course the story was too delicious for a Christian to let it go, just on the grounds that it is an untruth.

And even if Einstein swore that he believed in an intervening god that had a plan for humankind, he would still have to prove it. So listing a bunch of scientists that believe in gods, doesn't mean anything at all. Beliefs are a dime a dozen. Convincing evidence is worth more than that.
 
Completely unscientific, but one of the most hotly contested debates at my town’s senior citizens center is over the presence or absence of God and of Heaven and Hell and it’s practically 50/50. Only a couple kept their beliefs and opinions to themselves.

Another senior and I kept score one morning and it appeared that the majority of old timers with college degrees were nonbelievers and on board with evolution.

Like I said, completely unscientific but very interesting, especially how the debate begins respectfully but can rapidly disintegrate into a shouting match.
 
MaddHollander said:
Completely unscientific, but one of the most hotly contested debates at my town’s senior citizens center is over the presence or absence of God and of Heaven and Hell and it’s practically 50/50.
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In a way, I see the same thing in this forum, not the 50/50 thing, but for a group of seniors, the numbers of unbelievers seems unusually high, higher than other forums where the age of participants is not skewed toward the elderly. Aren't we suppose to suddenly believe in Jesus as the end of life approaches?

Incidentally, 50/50 is just a poll. It's what people think, not what they know. Take a poll on what people know and the results are 0/0.
 
Pepper said:
Especially if the scientiest were from medieval times. You believed in god, OR ELSE. Those scientists should not be on any modern list of scientists who are believers.
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I didn't even take that into account. Not only were their lives and livelihoods under the thumb of the church , they were dealing with a knowledge base infinitely smaller than what is available today, and the philosophy of logic was still in it's infancy.
 
Mr. Ed said:
Discuss to your heart‘s desire but i think it is a waste of time. Believers on the other hand may beg to differ because they are programmed by faith.
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It never takes you long to insult believers based on your own very limited experience with one fundamentalist church.

I am a Christian who has attended at least a dozen different churches and none of them have preached creationism as inerrant, literal fact.

There are two creation stories in Genesis both based on the word of mouth legends of the time and if you read them as "day' meaning era as we now would say "back in my grandpa's day" those stories are amazingly close to what we know as the order of evolution today through science.

There never has been any reason for Christianity and science to be at odds.
 
papa tiger said:
It's sort of obvious that a decent diet, good vaccinations of deadly diseases and most all species evolve bigger and stronger as the
ensuing generations continue to be born. Of course, Chaos, famines, deadly things like Volcanic eruptions, Hurricanes, Floods, deadly
disease can play havoc, create chaos and do much harm. Ya get no free pass that I can think of. Pray all you want. It's your thing.
But leave, move to higher ground in these next 30 years or buy boats by the millions most likely. Most likely most all living on islands,
South Florida, Keys, Texas, New Orleans all along the coast and major rivers will be breathing compressed air from a tank by 2070 give or take
25 years or so. No promise just a thoughts of observed high tide crests. 5% of the USA is wetlands now.

But if you consider high tides in the north you see incredible heights so they are not out of the flood by a100 feet. One can easily imagine
Tides rushing in 20 / 30 miles every day. Wetland square miles by the X's 1000. So one can imagine half of his state under water if it is
a coastline state to the Oceans. Then most all river valleys under water and noon on July 4th. So one needs to live at least 150 feet above
The River valley flood line today in the not-so-distant future as the Ice melts like noon showdown in Arizona.

Only a shift in the Earths orbit can change what's coming. Then an ice age most likely quickly. Probably everyone has watched film of
The Glaciers calving Icebergs. It has only sped up in the last 75 years or since we were kids watching them from a charter boat or TV.
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Going by the above, there go all the graves. Might as well be cremated since it looks like bodies will be washed out and spread around all over the place anyway.:unsure: ?? 😁
 
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Vida May said:
1917? Why would that old thread be interesting to anyone today? As good as the threads may be they are not the authority that a book might be. If I want information, I read books. If I want to participate in the discovery of information through the interaction of others, I came to the forum.

In the past I have tried picking up old threads and that has not worked well for me.
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I'm with you Vida May. Most forums delete a thread if it's not posted on for a year. Here I get caught reading and adding to threads that are ten years old. I get startled when I think someone has come back to life!

Why read an old conversation when we're wanting a new one?
 
Della said:
There never has been any reason for Christianity and science to be at odds.
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Well, technically they are not, and least from a scientific perspective. Science as it is ignores the supernatural. Science is just an extension of the philosophy of logic. It discovers things through that process, and much of that process is offensive to believers in the supernatural. Science is not at odds with Christianity. I doesn't support it because it can't. But that is not the fault of science.

That's more or less where I am. My unbelief is just an absence of something for which I have no reason to believe. Some are offended by that.
 

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