Can we bring our cell phones with us? If so, maybe there's a special GPS app?
Do they dead greet the dying?
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Can we bring our cell phones with us? If so, maybe there's a special GPS app?
If that's what you think..."as a man thinketh so is he. If a spirit is a spirit, surely the vibratory level of their "loved" ones would be palpable to them. In the "spirit of love" one ould would think that is elementary.
Knight
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No! There are no cell towers wherever God lives. I know this because I have blind faith that I'm right.
I've just learned that sentient spirits [souls] can sense their relations. I wonder if that works for the loved ones that didn't make the cut to get into where ever God lives.
You do know God isn't part of our universe, he & his helpers have to live somewhere else.
My logic
I can't claim making a box if I'm inside the box. God can't claim making the heaven & earth if it was already here.
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Marie5656
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Interesting you mention this. My hubby has been dead for about a year and a half, now. The other night I dreamt of him. He asked why I had moved, where was his car, etc, etc. I explained that I was moving on, now, because he had died and I could not keep his car, or stay in our house. It took him a while to comprehend, and I am not sure if he did..but I remember him asking me if it meant he did not have to go into work the next day. LOL
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Gardenlover
The world needs more love
How come you didn't answer my simple questions?
Pard, if you want it from the bible;
the dead know nothing
Ecclesiastes 9:5
As for meeting again;
Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.
By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
And so we will always be with the Lord.
Therefore encourage one another with these words.
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
As for me, after living in the mountains for the last five years, and witnessing the glories of creation....
I'm rather stoked about it all
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OneEyedDiva
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Try telling this to those of us who have seen otherwise. I know many people who are highly intelligent, reasonable and even scientific minded people who tend to be skeptical that have seen spirits. I have family members, friends both "in person" and online that I've known for over a decade (and their family members) who have seen entities. Our spirits (souls if you will) are energy. Can you see the energy that powers your devices, your appliances? No...but obviously it's there. I agree with @Gardenlover's reply...particularly about believers and disbelievers not changing each others' views.
This doctor was known at an organization I belong to. Fascinating documented story
about his NDE…he was pronounced dead and lay in the morgue for hours
overnight during WW2. He said he was taken and shown people working on
a huge set of drawings and later documented it as best he could remember . Many years
later it was shown to be the drawings of the USS Nautilus, the first nebular submarine.
He was shown other things about the future times.
https://www.goodreads.com/videos/37650-george-ritchie-explaining-his-own-death
https://www.near-death.com/religion/christianity/george-ritchie.html
about his NDE…he was pronounced dead and lay in the morgue for hours
overnight during WW2. He said he was taken and shown people working on
a huge set of drawings and later documented it as best he could remember . Many years
later it was shown to be the drawings of the USS Nautilus, the first nebular submarine.
He was shown other things about the future times.
https://www.goodreads.com/videos/37650-george-ritchie-explaining-his-own-death
https://www.near-death.com/religion/christianity/george-ritchie.html
That's a clever attempt to equate the claims that "spirits" are real with energy forces such as electricity. But it doesn't hold up to one second of real thought.
The fact that something cannot actually be seen with the naked eye doesn't prove it is unreal. Lots of things around us are real, including, unfortunately, the coronavirus, but cannot be seen with the naked eye. This proves nothing at all about fictitious entities that have been dreamed up by storytellers, or things that exist only in our imagination.
The difference? The invisible things that are real can be tested, and shown to be real again and again, by scientific experimentation. The coronavirus does show up in microscopic images. And it behaves as expected, in tests or very often, in crowds of people. Electricity does perform as expected when we flip the light switch. The fact that we can't "see" it is irrelevant. Science has rigid standards as to what is proven and what is not. Just the fact that someone says they "know" something, or that they "have seen otherwise" is not considered proof of anything, except that they believe it is true.
So, when you put a pair of socks into the washing machine, and only one of those socks comes out, the other one having mysteriously disappeared, all that proves is that you can't find the other sock. It doesn't prove that little green gremlins have made off with one of your socks, even if you say you have "seen" them. Even if this happened to thousands of people, it doesn't prove the little green gremlins exist.
OneEyedDiva
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Sunny What I posted was not an attempt to "be clever". You took one sentence of my reply to respond to but did not address the fact that we have seen these things with out own eyes and nothing you believe or disbelieve can change that.That's a clever attempt to equate the claims that "spirits" are real with energy forces such as electricity. But it doesn't hold up to one second of real thought.
The fact that something cannot actually be seen with the naked eye doesn't prove it is unreal. Lots of things around us are real, including, unfortunately, the coronavirus, but cannot be seen with the naked eye. This proves nothing at all about fictitious entities that have been dreamed up by storytellers, or things that exist only in our imagination.
The difference? The invisible things that are real can be tested, and shown to be real again and again, by scientific experimentation. The coronavirus does show up in microscopic images. And it behaves as expected, in tests or very often, in crowds of people. Electricity does perform as expected when we flip the light switch. The fact that we can't "see" it is irrelevant. Science has rigid standards as to what is proven and what is not. Just the fact that someone says they "know" something, or that they "have seen otherwise" is not considered proof of anything, except that they believe it is true.
So, when you put a pair of socks into the washing machine, and only one of those socks comes out, the other one having mysteriously disappeared, all that proves is that you can't find the other sock. It doesn't prove that little green gremlins have made off with one of your socks, even if you say you have "seen" them. Even if this happened to thousands of people, it doesn't prove the little green gremlins exist.
This popped into my head, on this subject. But of course, Santa Claus is a poetic image; I don't think this lovely essay was designed to make anyone think he is real.
VIRGINIA, your little friends are wrong. They have been affected by the skepticism of a skeptical age. They do not believe except they see. They think that nothing can be which is not comprehensible by their little minds. All minds, Virginia, whether they be men’s or children’s, are little. In this great universe of ours man is a mere insect, an ant, in his intellect, as compared with the boundless world about him, as measured by the intelligence capable of grasping the whole of truth and knowledge.
Yes, VIRGINIA, there is a Santa Claus. He exists as certainly as love and generosity and devotion exist, and you know that they abound and give to your life its highest beauty and joy. Alas! how dreary would be the world if there were no Santa Claus. It would be as dreary as if there were no VIRGINIAS. There would be no childlike faith then, no poetry, no romance to make tolerable this existence. We should have no enjoyment, except in sense and sight. The eternal light with which childhood fills the world would be extinguished.
Not believe in Santa Claus! You might as well not believe in fairies! You might get your papa to hire men to watch in all the chimneys on Christmas Eve to catch Santa Claus, but even if they did not see Santa Claus coming down, what would that prove? Nobody sees Santa Claus, but that is no sign that there is no Santa Claus. The most real things in the world are those that neither children nor men can see. Did you ever see fairies dancing on the lawn? Of course not, but that’s no proof that they are not there. Nobody can conceive or imagine all the wonders there are unseen and unseeable in the world.
You may tear apart the baby’s rattle and see what makes the noise inside, but there is a veil covering the unseen world which not the strongest man, nor even the united strength of all the strongest men that ever lived, could tear apart. Only faith, fancy, poetry, love, romance, can push aside that curtain and view and picture the supernal beauty and glory beyond. Is it all real? Ah, VIRGINIA, in all this world there is nothing else real and abiding.
No Santa Claus! Thank God! he lives, and he lives forever. A thousand years from now, Virginia, nay, ten times ten thousand years from now, he will continue to make glad the heart of childhood.
Diva, saying we have seen these things with our own eyes proves nothing except that you believe you have seen them. Anyone can say they have seen anything, and they can really believe it. Why should anyone else believe it, without proof?
Our minds can play strange tricks on us.
VIRGINIA, your little friends are wrong. They have been affected by the skepticism of a skeptical age. They do not believe except they see. They think that nothing can be which is not comprehensible by their little minds. All minds, Virginia, whether they be men’s or children’s, are little. In this great universe of ours man is a mere insect, an ant, in his intellect, as compared with the boundless world about him, as measured by the intelligence capable of grasping the whole of truth and knowledge.
Yes, VIRGINIA, there is a Santa Claus. He exists as certainly as love and generosity and devotion exist, and you know that they abound and give to your life its highest beauty and joy. Alas! how dreary would be the world if there were no Santa Claus. It would be as dreary as if there were no VIRGINIAS. There would be no childlike faith then, no poetry, no romance to make tolerable this existence. We should have no enjoyment, except in sense and sight. The eternal light with which childhood fills the world would be extinguished.
Not believe in Santa Claus! You might as well not believe in fairies! You might get your papa to hire men to watch in all the chimneys on Christmas Eve to catch Santa Claus, but even if they did not see Santa Claus coming down, what would that prove? Nobody sees Santa Claus, but that is no sign that there is no Santa Claus. The most real things in the world are those that neither children nor men can see. Did you ever see fairies dancing on the lawn? Of course not, but that’s no proof that they are not there. Nobody can conceive or imagine all the wonders there are unseen and unseeable in the world.
You may tear apart the baby’s rattle and see what makes the noise inside, but there is a veil covering the unseen world which not the strongest man, nor even the united strength of all the strongest men that ever lived, could tear apart. Only faith, fancy, poetry, love, romance, can push aside that curtain and view and picture the supernal beauty and glory beyond. Is it all real? Ah, VIRGINIA, in all this world there is nothing else real and abiding.
No Santa Claus! Thank God! he lives, and he lives forever. A thousand years from now, Virginia, nay, ten times ten thousand years from now, he will continue to make glad the heart of childhood.
Diva, saying we have seen these things with our own eyes proves nothing except that you believe you have seen them. Anyone can say they have seen anything, and they can really believe it. Why should anyone else believe it, without proof?
Our minds can play strange tricks on us.
Knight
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I didn't read that you asked questions until this morning.
2. Now an easy question for you. You say there are no spirits in the sky. Why would you debate if a spirit is sentient or not, if it doesn't exist?
No debate since I never got a reply
3. Another simple question if I may; how do you know there isn't a spiritual realm? Your logic is no different than those with opposing views.
I have faith in my logic. I didn't say there was no spiritual realm. My logic was that there must be someplace outside the heavens & earth since you can't make something that already exists. I'll add since the universe is not yet determined.
The proper distance—the distance as would be measured at a specific time, including the present—between Earth and the edge of the observable universe is 46 billion light-years (14 billion parsecs), making the diameter of the observable universe about 93 billion light-years (28 billion parsecs).
If people believe there is a place out there good for them .
4. Typically neither side convinces the other to change their opinion. Which brings up yet another question that should be able to be easily answered. Why do we want everyone to think the same way we do?
I don't. I ask questions that aren't answered by those that believe there is a spirit over 13 billion years old that they go to when they die. If that belief gives them comfort it's all good.
Just because you DON'T believe it doesn't make it untrue.
Knight
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Keeping an open mind to evaluate both sides is fair.
Marci, that depends on what kind of things I do or don't believe in. If someone comes up with an idea that they are convinced is true, based on no proof whatsoever, and zero probability, why on earth should I believe it?
Seeing fictitious spirits, ghosts, spooks, boogeymen, dead people walking around, entities of the "other side" has long been recognized as a symptom of mental illness. For the person who is convinced that these entities are real, they don't feel they have any need to back up their claim with any evidence. But most people do not believe something is true just because somebody said it. Wishful thinking is not the same as reality.
Absolutely, OED...once it happens to you, you can never be the same. After my mother passed away, she kept coming back to me to tell me of things I should know about, call attention to that she forgot to tell me...or to comfort me or point out something even years after she passed that she wanted me to go look at. Now that is a true spirit...a "love spirit"...lol.
Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean people aren't chasing you either...lol.
OneEyedDiva
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Of course not, certainly not the God of traditional religion. I've stated that I am an atheist many times here.
But what does God have to do with any of this? I thought the discussion was about the dead roaming the earth. In the traditional Bible, I don't think there are any references to ghosts, spirits, etc. This is more like voodoo religion.
See my notes #86, 96, and 97 on this subject. I've been trying to keep this discussion focused on the original question. But it's like herding kittens.
Gardenlover
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Knight
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Indirectly I asked do "family spirits" that don't make the cut to get into heaven have a way of communicating with those that do?
No replys so I guess the answer is no.