Do they dead greet the dying?

This memory just came back to me now. When I was about 12yrs old my Dad's sister had passed away. A year later her youngest child woke up one morning and told her Dad she saw her Mom taking her older brother Joey in her arms. Later that day her brother Joey got hit by a car and died.
I remember how that shook me up all those years ago.
 
Sunny said:
Of course not, certainly not the God of traditional religion. I've stated that I am an atheist many times here.

But what does God have to do with any of this? I thought the discussion was about the dead roaming the earth. In the traditional Bible, I don't think there are any references to ghosts, spirits, etc. This is more like voodoo religion.

See my notes #86, 96, and 97 on this subject. I've been trying to keep this discussion focused on the original question. But it's like herding kittens.
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I have never seen your posts about being an atheist. I asked about God because those of us who do believe do so on faith, not needing scientific proof or because we have actually seen Him. I expected you to say you didn't believe in God because obviously for you "seeing is believing".
 

In September of 2017, on the morning of my mom's last day alive, right before I woke up, I saw my late father in a dream. He was standing in front of a brick wall and he just smiled at me then I woke up. I drove to the nursing home where my mom had been in for six months and spent the rest of the day sitting by her bedside. She took her last breath at around 9:50 pm that night.,

Ever since my dad passed away in 2004 I had never dreamed of him before and I haven't since. It was just on that one day, my mom's last day, that he appeared to me in a dream.

Coincidence?
 
Diva, the concept of "faith" doesn't work for me. Anybody can say anything, and expect to be believed as a matter of faith.

But "seeing is believing" is a little too simplistic for me also. I don't have to personally see something with my own eyes in order to believe that it exists. If trusted scientists tell me there is a nasty virus out there which mainly travels through the air in droplets from one person to another, I believe them. I don't have to actually see the virus. The fact of its existence is proven by scientific methodology, not because I have faith in what someone says he/she saw. Their assertions have to be repeatedly provable by other scientists.

My mind is more open to religion than you probably think. I don't believe in the traditional God(s) of organized religion. But I can accept that there may be order and reason to the universe, way beyond what any of us can imagine. This is not the God of the Bible, and the ultimate truth that governs the universe is probably more like an equation.

So, to get back to the original question, I don't believe in ghosts, spirits, etc. because the descriptions of them are too anecdotal, and there is absolutely no proof. Nice as something may sound, we don't have to believe it is true just because someone says they saw or heard it. It is well known that our minds play all kinds of tricks on us; probably in the moments before death, the brain is oxygen-deprived and thinks it sees something that it wants to see. There are such things as "vivid dreams," which can occur in a half-awake state.

Anybody who wants to believe in spirits roaming the earth has a perfect right to believe whatever makes them happy. But I have the same right to say I don't believe any of this stuff is true. We all follow our own guiding light of truth.

All this made me chuckle, remembering a cousin of mine who was a very stiff-necked, stubborn religious believer, who refused to accept Darwin's theory of evolution. He said, "The day a monkey calls me up on the phone, that will be the day I believe in evolution." According to him if it contradicts the Bible, it can't be true. So we all follow whatever truth works for us.
 
This is one of those speculations no one truly knows until we're dead. I refrain from commenting assuredly regarding questions or statements beyond my realm of understanding.

I am content in knowing I don't know everything including matters of spirituality and religion, however, it is true, I know everything else.🐒
 
Mike said:
I thought at the time that she was confused, but who knows,
perhaps the dead do visit through somebody else and make
that person look like they do, at least to the one passing.

Mike.
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Wow...that's interesting. I never thought of it like that. That makes a lot of sense now.....
 
Sunny said:
Well, that's a novel approach, to say the least. The way I've always understood it, the burden of proof is always with the person who makes an assertion that something is true. The burden of non-proof doesn't rest with science.

So if I say I am really a unicorn, does that mean it has to be taken seriously, until some scientist proves that I am not a unicorn? And if I say that my snake oil potion, that I am selling at a bargain price, has a 100% cure rate against covid-19, that has to be considered true until "science" proves that it's a hoax? Should everybody buy and take the potion, because science hasn't gotten around to investigating it?

Leads to a pretty slippery slope, IMO.
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My logic is along the lines of innocent until proven guilty.
 
Gardenlover said:
The sad thing is, even if I have proof of the spiritual realm, people will still not believe. People on both sides of the discussion put blinders on, put fingers in their hears and hum lalalalala nan a nan boo boo, I can't hear you.
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If the "proof" was really proof, it would be believed. Yes, even if it contradicted what most people had thought before. You can't put your fingers in your ears and refuse to acknowledge the truth, unless you are an idiot. Science doesn't work that way.

If something passes honest-to-goodness tests (not the woo-woo assertions of people who dreamed something and are convinced it is the truth), and repeated tests show the same findings, then it is generally accepted. That is true whether we are talking about Covid vaccines or whether ghosts appear from the afterlife. You say something is true? Prove it!

As I've repeated umpteen times in these discussions, science is always open to new findings, and new proof. It is not "sacred" and has nothing to do with the blind acceptance known as "faith." Prove something, really prove it, and most rational people will believe you, at least until some contradictory evidence comes along.

I think the human mind is amazing in its ability to believe fairy tales, because they sound "nice," or play into their emotional needs. But one definition of sanity might be the ability to recognize when a fairy tale is just that.
 
Gardenlover said:
The sad thing is, even if I have proof of the spiritual realm, people will still not believe. People on both sides of the discussion put blinders on, put fingers in their hears and hum lalalalala nan a nan boo boo, I can't hear you.
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That is so true. I feel that until it has actually happened to you, you will have a hard time believing.

I used a recorder to prove to others what I was hearing....
 
dobielvr said:
Yes!! My favorite dog did just that......
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One of our dogs did and one of our bunnies.
Oddly enough this bunny’s message was the strongest and clearest even though I was closer to the dog but I spoiled this bunny rotten. His favourite food was gladiolus and I’d buy fresh bunches of these flowers for him. Cashiers would often comment how lovely they were and look at me oddly when I’d reply that I’m sure the bunny will just love them. 🤪😂
He was litter and harness trained. We’d take him for walks. ❤️
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I do not believe any of the dead visit, or contact anyone living. However, some people have spiritual faith in it, but because there is no scientific proof of it many scientists insist it is not factual. Now, are not scientists human beings? And capable of error? Over & over again, scientists have "jumped-the-gun" and said they'd "found" the answer to whatever only to find their answer was in error/their research incomplete.
A friend of mine, who had occasional panic attacks got the courage up one evening to walk to the store, this not long after her beloved mother had died. While she anxiously walked to the store, each time she passed a street light it went out. She said she believed with each streetlight going off after she had passed it she felt it was her mother watching over for her. Calming her. Her husband drove her home from the store.
 
Now, we all know from the movie Beetlejuice that when we die, we’ll be issued a copy of that Newlydead book. It will tell us the basics of what we‘ll need to know. I hope to meet Beetlejuice himself (below) to train as a bio-exorcist. I could feed off Beetlejuice’s manic energy like, forever, which is basically my plan if he’ll have me as an assistant. I really wish that they’d make a sequel to this movie; Michael Keaton could now play the role with less makeup, being older...and it’s hard to keep a good dead guy down, so to speak... 👻

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