Do they dead greet the dying?

I would think that there is chasm between the Saved and unSaved that can't be breached. Like someone trying to make a phone call to someone using a phone that has no power.
 
Elsie said:
Has anyone here mentioned Satan.........if he exists? How "appearance" of passed on loved ones might be him using deception by way of his evil followers--fallen angels--feigning being those persons?
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I read something once, forget the exact quote, but it went something like If you believe one exists, then it stands to reason that it's opposite also exists.
 
Gardenlover said:
How come you didn't answer my simple questions?
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I did but here it is again.
I didn't read that you asked questions until this morning.

2. Now an easy question for you. You say there are no spirits in the sky. Why would you debate if a spirit is sentient or not, if it doesn't exist?


No debate since I never got a reply

3. Another simple question if I may; how do you know there isn't a spiritual realm? Your logic is no different than those with opposing views.

I have faith in my logic. I didn't say there was no spiritual realm. My logic was that there must be someplace outside the heavens & earth since you can't make something that already exists. I'll add since the universe is not yet determined.
The proper distance—the distance as would be measured at a specific time, including the present—between Earth and the edge of the observable universe is 46 billion light-years (14 billion parsecs), making the diameter of the observable universe about 93 billion light-years (28 billion parsecs).

If people believe there is a place out there good for them .

4. Typically neither side convinces the other to change their opinion. Which brings up yet another question that should be able to be easily answered. Why do we want everyone to think the same way we do?

I don't. I ask questions that aren't answered by those that believe there is a spirit over 13 billion years old that they go to when they die. If that belief gives them comfort it's all good.

As for that power to run electrical things if you look carefully you can see the ark of electricity.
 
Knight said:
I did but here it is again.
I didn't read that you asked questions until this morning.

2. Now an easy question for you. You say there are no spirits in the sky. Why would you debate if a spirit is sentient or not, if it doesn't exist?


No debate since I never got a reply

3. Another simple question if I may; how do you know there isn't a spiritual realm? Your logic is no different than those with opposing views.

I have faith in my logic. I didn't say there was no spiritual realm. My logic was that there must be someplace outside the heavens & earth since you can't make something that already exists. I'll add since the universe is not yet determined.
The proper distance—the distance as would be measured at a specific time, including the present—between Earth and the edge of the observable universe is 46 billion light-years (14 billion parsecs), making the diameter of the observable universe about 93 billion light-years (28 billion parsecs).

If people believe there is a place out there good for them .

4. Typically neither side convinces the other to change their opinion. Which brings up yet another question that should be able to be easily answered. Why do we want everyone to think the same way we do?

I don't. I ask questions that aren't answered by those that believe there is a spirit over 13 billion years old that they go to when they die. If that belief gives them comfort it's all good.

As for that power to run electrical things if you look carefully you can see the ark of electricity.
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Where do you come up with the 13 billion years my friend? Thanks for engaging by the way, I'm enjoying the conversation - I hope you are as well.

As I stated a bit earlier, believing that this life is all there is to my existence would give me a nihilistic worldview.
 
Gardenlover said:
Where do you come up with the 13 billion years my friend? Thanks for engaging by the way, I'm enjoying the conversation - I hope you are as well.

As I stated a bit earlier, believing that this life is all there is to my existence would give me a nihilistic worldview.
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Exchanging thoughts is always a pleasure.

I've explained other times I believe science is doing mankind a favor by constantly looking for answer. This latest
How do they know the universe is 13.7 billion years old?
The scientists studied an image of the oldest light in the universe to confirm its age of 13.8 billion years. This light, the "afterglow" of the Big Bang, is known as the cosmic microwave background and marks a time 380,000 years after the universe's birth when protons and electrons joined to form the first atoms.Jul 15, 2020

Age of the universe: 13.8 billion years, scientists confirm​

www.usatoday.com › story › news › nation › 2020/07/15


Recent as July 2020
Why a nihilistic worldview? Isn't there enough to wonder about or believe in that isn't part of bible references.

I believe in evolution. Evolution is a fact otherwise mankind adapting to different environments wouldn't exist. Rather than me picking an article Google this.

science discovers organisms that live in space.

The earth as it cooled became the best petri dish for evolution. We could get into DNA variations but explaining how a single family. Noah & his family that all had the same DNA somehow mutated to what we know now doesn't shed light on ghosts & spirits or souls going somewhere outside our universe.

Recently an interesting fact popped up. No where on earth are there animals that have no origin except on the island of Madagascar. Kind of late in the game of life for a creator to create those.

If believing made in their image works for you great. I have trouble with that as an image only because pre historic man wasn't exactly the version of Adam & Eve most often portrayed. This is the usual.
https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/adam-and-eve?phrase=adam and eve&sort=mostpopular
 
fmdog44 said:
Different OPs result in varying numbers of responses. Isn't it interesting so many respond to a subject no one knows anything about?
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Yes, I'm as guilty in this as anyone, sorry. Let's try to keep this thread on track to the original question without going off into other debatable topics.

But by all means feel free to start a thread on the issues from this post you'd like to discuss in a new thread.
 
"Let's try to keep this thread on track to the original question without going off into other debatable topics."

LOL, good luck with that, Gardenlover! I've tried, with no success. 😁
 
Here's my analogy; those that don't seek the spiritual, live in a world of black and white, while those who seek the spiritual live in a world filled with color. Spiritually speaking, a person can have eyes but not see and ears but not hear.
 
I have read this thread with interest. There are many differing viewpoints. Are there any right or wrong opinions? Hard to say. I feel, with something like this, who does it hurt to believe what you want to believe? I believe that, at times, the dying do see/hear the dead. Do I have proof? Nope, probably not. But, if it gives me comfort that the transition is made easier for my dying loved one, then I take comfort in that.
 
Often as a personal assurance to the grieving loved one(s) left behind, the departed one comes to those remaining in vibrant dreams. This is called "the closure dream". Afterwards, the person can feel very different about the departed one, know that they are "ok", and the grief then begins to lessen.
 
Liberty said:
Often as a personal assurance to the grieving loved one(s) left behind, the departed one comes to those remaining in vibrant dreams. This is called "the closure dream". Afterwards, the person can feel very different about the departed one, know that they are "ok", and the grief then begins to lessen.
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My year older sister told me that one night while she was in bed, she saw our mother standing at the foot of her bed. and mother told her she/mother was fine. Anything else, I don't know. And my sister said she felt much better over mother's death after that. I've had scary imaginations of evil at the foot of my bed and though frightened, I firmly told them to go back where they belong--something like that--in the name of Christ Jesus and they left. :)
 
Elsie said:
My year older sister told me that one night while she was in bed, she saw our mother standing at the foot of her bed. and mother told her she/mother was fine. Anything else, I don't know. And my sister said she felt much better over mother's death after that. I've had scary imaginations of evil at the foot of my bed and though frightened, I firmly told them to go back where they belong--something like that--in the name of Christ Jesus and they left. :)
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Seeing dead people or mythical characters standing at the foot of the bed is a fairly common reaction to some medications. I've even seen it listed as a side effect. I've woken up a couple of times with an image of my mother standing at the foot of my bed. The image always disappears in a few seconds.

I don't attribute any supernatural meaning to this whatsoever. I feel it was either a particularly vivid dream that lingered for a few seconds, or maybe a couple of my medications kicking in.

I loved my mother and would be delighted if she could return for a visit, but since she's been dead since 1982, that isn't too likely. Our minds play strange tricks on us. Since you obviously regard your images as "scary imaginations," you sound like you have a firm grip on reality. If you thought they are real, that would not be so harmless, IMO.
 
Think the reason my mom comes back to me...even years after her passing is the fact we studied spiritually together for many years. She wasn't prepared to go to sleep and wait for the horn to blow and wake her up.
She was reading for "the great adventure" to begin. She knew that.

She told me things I didn't know and couldn't possibly have known.

Do believe our loved ones can become our personal angels to help us from the other side.

Knowledge is power and with it comes responsibility.
 
Gardenlover said:
Yes, I'm as guilty in this as anyone, sorry. Let's try to keep this thread on track to the original question without going off into other debatable topics.

But by all means feel free to start a thread on the issues from this post you'd like to discuss in a new thread.
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I guess I owe an apology for expressing what I posted..........................................................Nah-h-h-h
 
Gardenlover said:
Here's my analogy; those that don't seek the spiritual, live in a world of black and white, while those who seek the spiritual live in a world filled with color. Spiritually speaking, a person can have eyes but not see and ears but not hear.
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The spiritual is to many in our world another term for ignorance.
 

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