Do you agree that sometimes you have to give up on people?

I am a bit confused. Would you care to explain?
No prob
The Lord has not quit on me, no matter how hard I tried
I thank Him, and my Grampa O's prayers

He would disappear for seems hours at a time

If you opened the door to his study, you'd find him on is hands and knees, no longer able to just kneel due to his advances Parkinson's ailemnt
Praying for family

I know the power of prayer

Too many answered

What's really cool......no debate
no argument
no ill feelings
 

No prob
The Lord has not quit on me, no matter how hard I tried
I thank Him, and my Grampa O's prayers

He would disappear for seems hours at a time

If you opened the door to his study, you'd find him on is hands and knees, no longer able to just kneel due to his advances Parkinson's ailemnt
Praying for family

I know the power of prayer

Too many answered

What's really cool......no debate
no argument
no ill feelings
Well. that's about as clear as mud. I think you have misinterpreted the OP's question, so I am going to call it quits here.
 

I know I'm generally far too optimistic, but I think we have such a ****** mental health system in America that we have no one to turn to really, when we can't figure out how to help loved ones on our own.

A Suicide Hotline is all well and good, but come one! Why can't we have a Far-Before-Suicide Hotline?


It's so funny - sad funny - but I remember in 2007/08 when I could not find a job and I knew losing my condo was imminent. I would have done anything normal and legal for work as long as I didn't have to stand 9 hours a day or lift heavy objects. Like, I could not be a mover. I was so COMPLETELY ignorant of how evil, crooked and corrupt politics were in my city that I called my local Rep's office, guy on the County Board, and started asking his staff if they have any resources at all to find a JOB.

They had NOTHING - no help for job seekers at all. In the MIDDLE of a MINI-DEPRESSION. And this guy, this well-ensconced cretin who surely expects a park to be named after him one day, was so cemented in county politics that he could not care less if hundreds of thousands were losing their homes. He didn't care, Feds didn't care. No one cared.

I think this 4th of July, I might hang my flag upside-down. I have been waiting, waiting, for major changes in public policy since that 2008 Mini-Depression, but NO. NO one will fix it. They have the money, they have the know-how, but they lack the CARE.


Anyway, my local rep's staff referred me to a local Job Center and I went. All they had was computers so people who don't have one can apply online. I had a computer. I didn't need anyone to show me how to work one. Then a friend told me she'd gone there too and one worker there said the only industry hiring was trucking. I did think about becoming a trucker for a fast five minutes. I was much too afraid of crazy drivers and accidents.

I looked at those state workers sitting there in their fat, union, air-conditioned jobs and I thought, "How do I get a nice, safe state job like that?" I did look into that for a while and, as I have said before, even considered studying Public Policy. It's a degree you will never use in an easy state job, but they want you to get one anyway. But I figured the politics of race and age were likely to block my hiring, so no point in throwing good money after bad to get yet another degree.

Oh, and I don't know about your states, but in my area one is never supposed to say, "I'm looking for a safe union job." No! Instead, as I learned from a stranger many years after 2008, you're supposed to say, "I'm passionate about ________ (whatever the work is)."

Like, if you want to get hired as a Ford assembly line worker today, you can't say, "It's a good union job" to get hired. You have to say, "I'm passionate about assembly line design."

A bartender I met once said, "I'm passionate about spirits." He was so fake as he said it that I wanted to burst out laughing, but then I realized that's why he had a job. He was a good liar.

Want to be a rubbish collector because it's safe and unionized? Say, "I'm passionate about rubbish collection."

As a nation we refuse to build mental health convalescent care facilities. And we refuse to build low-income or even $0 income housing. I mean a simple room with a sink and toilet down the hall. We refuse to accommodate the worst off. Our leaders pretend they do not exist.

They will die this week, in the hundreds, living outside, and the news will not report on that.
God Bless America?

I don't think the fault is ours. I think the Generals leading this nation have forgotten all about the people for a whole 40 years. You and I cannot undo all those years of systemic neglect and malfeasance. As a result, we have no where to turn for aid.

Sheesh, even AA and NA are total volunteer programs. Good job Federal and state governments.:rolleyes:
 
Absolutely. I allow my patience with other's negative behaviors to be short given reasonable communication and circumstance. Especially alcohol drunks and cigarette smokers. Give them a chance, explain whatever, and give them another reasonable chance or three. But eventually, that become nagging and enabling unless one can get others involved they may listen to.
 
No prob
The Lord has not quit on me, no matter how hard I tried
I thank Him, and my Grampa O's prayers

He would disappear for seems hours at a time

If you opened the door to his study, you'd find him on is hands and knees, no longer able to just kneel due to his advances Parkinson's ailemnt
Praying for family

I know the power of prayer

Too many answered

What's really cool......no debate
no argument
no ill feelings
I've seen people I love who seem determined to be their own worst enemy. When all efforts to help turn them around them fail, I continue to pray for them. Like @Gary O' I too have seen many of those prayers answered.

Rejoice in hope,
be patient in tribulation,
be constant in prayer. (Romans 12:12)
 
Of course, it also depends on what 'giving up' means to you. It does not have to mean you stop caring about them, only that you will protect yourself from fallout due to their actions, poor choices.

You have consider that some 'not giving up' behaviors can actually enable the abusive or self destructive actions of the other individual. We can't force people to change, we can only set the boundaries they cannot cross without pushing us away-- for our own physical safety and emotional well-being.

As for praying for others, there can be harm in that if you are praying for outcome you want and not for the well being of or best outcome for that individual. The details are often best left to what Theists call God, and i call Universal or Cosmic Consciousness
 
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Do you agree that sometimes you have to give up on people?

Never...It's what prayer is all about

And prayers are answered according to many factors...according to God's timing, according to God's will.
Sometimes he says "yes", but sometimes "no", sometimes "wait" because we don't always know what's best for us.
But Gary's post makes it clear that we must not give up on prayer for people. Pray for them, then give it up to God.

The Byrds sing Turn, Turn, Turn
From Ecclesiastes 3:1-8
 
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I run into several folks that I totally gave up on. The rule I hope I have the good sense to follow is that we should lend a hand to those who try to help themselves. They might be struggling to make progress, but maybe the bit of help or encouragement you offer will get them started along the way.
 
I run into several folks that I totally gave up on. The rule I hope I have the good sense to follow is that we should lend a hand to those who try to help themselves. They might be struggling to make progress, but maybe the bit of help or encouragement you offer will get them started along the way.
I disagree. I think there's a ton of people out there who have been throurgh incredible difficulties and if they are fortunate enough to live near good services, they finally find effective help.

Those who cannot find enough help, die.

Look at California. If you think those 170,000 homeless have not reached out for help you are sorely mistaken. The housing cupboard is bare in California and the State Legislature only requires apartments of any kind to be built. They are all luxury apartments. Commentary: High housing costs keep Californians poor
 
I think I know what you mean. Prayer itself doesn't change anyone else
There's always the power of choice
But
One's prayers for The Holy Spirit to urge that loved one to at least consider changing their ways, get answered

I know that one
Many prayers for me
for many years

But
praying for things or improved situations.....I know little to nothing
 
In education, we often operated by the “three strikes” principle. If a kid did something egregiously wrong, he (or rarely, she) would be corrected, disciplined, re-directed, and given the necessary support to succeed up to three times. If they continued along the wrong path beyond that, they would have to suffer the natural consequences of their actions, and take ownership of them. This might involve then passing cases to outside agencies or legal authorities. It was not that we stopped caring; it was just that there were so many waiting who wanted help that we needed to detach from those that didn’t...

Those in education these days must function as social workers and psychologists as well as educators due to deficiencies in the home, and often toxic societal influences…
 

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