Do you support Obama's immigration reform?

Ralphy1

Ralphy1

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The way he laid it out made sense to me with the opportunities and restrictions. Something needed to be done to get a handle on this mess and he showed leadership while Congress dithered. Whether or not he had the authority to act can be left to the courts to decide, but surely you support his decision to act...
 

I heard most of his speech and I thought it was reasonable and pragmatic.
If Congress won't put legislation up for a vote then something must be done to sever the Gordian knot.
 
NO! Those people broke the law to come here for the purpose of having their kids here. The automatic citizenship for those born on US soil should be stopped.
 

Dame Warrigal said:
Did you hear the speech?
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No... he apparently didn't. I thought it very pragmatic.. There IS no path to citizenship.. only a three year work permit for the parents of Kids born in the US.. They must have been here for 5 years, and they must pass a background check..and they will not be deported. They can work and pay taxes.. all reasonable. Boarder security is being increased... to appease Republicans even though we now have a net negative boarder crossing. The parents of the Dreamer Kids (daca) are NOT included, which I thought should be. He made it clear, that he is NOT writing legislation, that is the congress's job. If they don't like what he did, then they need to PASS A BILL!.. but they won't. They are caught between a rock and a hard spot. They don't want to piss off their loyal base of xenophobes... and they don't want to allienate the massive hispanic voting block. They will waste time and money shutting down the government.. (hey no SS checks if that goes on long enough) and sueing the president... or even the Holy Grail of impeachement. All good theater.. Bring me some popcorn!!
 
I thought it was really a farce the way it was put out. Since Obama has become the President the Republicans are never recognized as they try to bring items to focus with legislation. The Republicans were never allowed in the medical system debates the Democrats were having to start Obama Care. They also go no votes from the Republicans either. Then for the last 4 years with the Republicans in charge of the HOUSE the Democrat SENATE just would not pick up or respond to over 300 items the HOUSE wrote and forwarded to the SENATE. We have not had a true and working government since Obama became our President. So yesterdays speech was typical of the Obama ways. Blame those that you folks have denied a part in our government for all things you don't like even though it was not their problem at all. The Republicans have been trying to help run our government the way the people have voted them to do. But the Democrats just keep the doors closed to any and all that are not preaching just the way they want things. His ideas are not all bad but they could have been more shared than just finger pointing like a little kid that just was given a bad time in the last election. Many time the border patrol has been told to lay back and not try to stop the border crossings.

The US needs much better border crossing detriments and should change some of our laws to end the idea of sending their children into the US.

Yes the US, Republicans and all, so want to have proper border controls but our Democrats don't seem to have the ability to allow debates on how best to accomplish that with the Democrat SENATE not allowing any debates from the Republican HOUSE side for the last 6 years. Starting in January we will see if have a Republican HOUSE and SENATE will start getting some things done for a change after 6 years of Democrat controlled blocking of open discussions and in house voting on which way is best to go. We have had no real government since our current Democrat mess began, 8 years ago, but only really counting the recent 6 years of Obama control. Our government is not supposed to be run as a dictatorship of the Obama style, both sides of government need to be heard and the work load shared by both sides, HOUSE and SENATE. We have a largely uncooperative Democrat government and not allowing the Repuclican side to have a say at all. I believe that is why this last election went so hard against the Democrats. The people in general are judging the biggest problem in our government. The lack of fairness and cooperation between all in the government, especially between the President and the two houses of Congress.
 
Reform isn't the right word here. Obama's "action" or memo on immigration is more like it.

Besides being wrong it is bad and/or unfair policy which will make enforcement tougher than it is now. How does an illegal alien "in the shadows" prove they've been in the US for five years? This is even more incentive for id theft or identity take over.

We'll have to look on the good side. We will now have documentation on these illegals. There will be finger prints, photos, background checks etc which could be used as proof in a criminal case down the road. They will be stuck with what ever id they decide to use on their application for amnesty. If they don't like they'll go back into "the shadows".
 
You all need to remember thats 5,000,000 more people in the US and most ,like the others,will end up on our welfare system.


Food stamps anyone ?????
 
Yes, I support our President on this issue. It's about time someone takes action to address some of the immigration issues here in America, instead of just whining about the problem and refusing to work on a solution. I only heard a couple of minutes of the President's speech yesterday, here it is for others who may have missed it and want to hear it.

 
Yes, I totally support President Obama's Immigration Reform. I hope there will be many more executive orders, seems to be the only way to move forward with this congress......leave them whining in the dust.
 
Didn't see/hear Obama's speech last night ....I thought it was only Texas banning "everything Obama", but it seems all the major networks in the country refused to show it. .. reason being "it was too political"...:eek:nthego:
 
It was on the FOX NEWS, usually much more open and honest than some of the lead broadcasters are. I put NBC next on honesty. And some of the others can get pretty narrow minded with news reports.
 
Bonnie said:
Didn't see/hear Obama's speech last night ....I thought it was only Texas banning "everything Obama", but it seems all the major networks in the country refused to show it. .. reason being "it was too political"...:eek:nthego:
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Yes, Bonnie, there were several corporate networks that did not report the speech, but you can bet your bottom dollar they will air all the criticism they can round up.
 
Some people have such a dislike for that man in the White House and most of what he says or does, it has, I think, affected their good judgement. For Republicans it's damned if they do and I hope, damned if they don't. Yes, I support the President's actions. The President didn't go far enough but at least he acted on a problem that has languished unattended for decades.
 
I have mixed feelings. They don't have legal rights to stay. They broke laws, they are illegal. How do you get around the fact that Obama is ignoring the law breaking and rewarding same. To me it's a case of illegal entry being shoved under the table. That would suggest I submit, that other illegals will follow their success in circumventing immigration law.

If they're illegal he's complicit in encouraging law breakers.
Additionall as an aside. If 5 million can get in illegaly (probably millions more than that), then it follows there is still,regardless Homeland ecurity, many sleeper terrorists also waiting opportunity.
 
SeaBreeze said:
Yes, I support our President on this issue. It's about time someone takes action to address some of the immigration issues here in America, instead of just whining about the problem and refusing to work on a solution. I only heard a couple of minutes of the President's speech yesterday, here it is for others who may have missed it and want to hear it.

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A well crafted speech to emote and evoke emotion as to create a visceral response to those that oppose it. He did not need to do an executive order to address the problem. This was to prop open the door for more illegal immigrants to pander to.

Solutions have been there with anything to finishing the wall/fence to just funding the current system to work the way it was supposed to. Both parties backed off solutions because they were scared kitty cats worried about votes, not solutions.

Anyone who thinks executive order is the way to do anything is fooling themselves because a president might take "executive action" that might not be so popular with the same group. Setting aside what ever policy changes were made people who look for one man or women to solve problem have just set themselves up for a totalitarian dictatorship. It might be in the seed planting stage but it's the beginning of a perilous path.
 
WhatInThe said:
A well crafted speech to emote and evoke emotion as to create a visceral response to those that oppose it. He did not need to do an executive order to address the problem. This was to prop open the door for more illegal immigrants to pander to.

Solutions have been there with anything to finishing the wall/fence to just funding the current system to work the way it was supposed to. Both parties backed off solutions because they were scared kitty cats worried about votes, not solutions.

Anyone who thinks executive order is the way to do anything is fooling themselves because a president might take "executive action" that might not be so popular with the same group. Setting aside what ever policy changes were made people who look for one man or women to solve problem have just set themselves up for a totalitarian dictatorship. It might be in the seed planting stage but it's the beginning of a perilous path.
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Well said. It's dictatorial to use an executive order I agree. A knee jerk action can be 'sold' with emotions contrary to good sense or ignoring the consequences.

Obamas last years will be devoted to establishing his legacy.
 
[]Doo[]Der said:
Well said. It's dictatorial to use an executive order I agree. A knee jerk action can be 'sold' with emotions contrary to good sense or ignoring the consequences.

Obamas last years will be devoted to establishing his legacy.
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Exactly, he's trying salvage his legacy and leave something for the Demorats to work with in 2016. The trap of this action is two fold. Even if it is screwed up by the administration they will, not can but they will blame it on right wing racists. In the meantime potential get of jail free card applicants will get screwed.
 
We're are not setting ourselves up for a dictatorship by a President taking executive action. Recent Presidents have issued more executive orders than has President Obama, well, I don't know about President Clinton, he was awfully busy, and we do have that old constitution that keeps us from doing things like this that people worry about. The Congress could negate the whole thing if they wanted to enact a law. Congress seems afraid to enact anything except buck the President. So, I wouldn't worry my mind over a little deal like this one, regardless of what it seems like to some. We're protected, afterall, NSA is watching. And if you have a good memory you will realize the President was merely parapharasing the last President.
 
Everyone seems to be talking about a more 'active' congress. But an active congress or more laws is the last thing you want on any issue.

The problem with immigration there has been a system already in place that has been nudged, manipulated into and/or forced into politically precarious positions or outcomes.

If ICE or the old INS had simply done their jobs to the fullest over the decades we would not be in a position we are today. There was a reason they incorporated the old immigration and naturalization service(INS) to ICE(immigration and customs enforcement)-make over after 9-11 so people would forget what role INS had or didn't have. And by incorporating everything under DHS what should've been neutral political organizations are now a political tool. Thank W for that.
 
Why are so many afraid to have a Congress working again, after Jan 1? Right now the HOUSE of REPRESENTATIVES never gets their over 300 items recognized or worked on because the leader of the SENATE will not allow anything his Democrat enemy, the Republicans, want to bring up. All this failure of the Republicans failure to do something is because of the Democrat leaders refusal to allow them any freedom to work.

Put the blame where it should be, if wanting to be fair.
 

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