Do You Think Zoos, Circuses, Rodeos, etc. Are Entertainment or Animal Cruelty?

Falcon said:
Don't like circuses for that reason, but I rather enjoy going to a zoo, if it's clean and the animals have plenty of room and
say, pools for them. If they're caged.....FORGET IT!
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I agree with this comment. Some zoos are really wildlife parks and are run very well indeed, but I would like to see all the small zoos and private zoos closed down. Here, no circus I know of uses any animals these days, but there still may be some around that do.
 

Bringing the thread back to the subject, the Four Corners episode screened last night ant it was explosive.
Don't watch if you are easily upset because it is very distressing but keep in mind what is out of sight, out of mind, continues to flourish.
That would be true of any industry involving money, gambling and animals.

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2015/02/16/4178920.htm

Some action has been promised to clean up the industry. What I am interested in is prosecutions that result in gaol time.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-...ctorian-government-two-investigations/6124754
 
I haven't been to a zoo, or circus since I was a little kid back in the '60s. I disapprove of zoos. It was beyond horrible to watch the large animals, especially predators held captive in tiny cages almost unable to move or polar and grizzly bears suffering in the summer heat. The elephant was chained by its foot to a stake set in cement while vistors ambled by. I hate the very thought of animals suffering to entertain humans in this way. Wild life parks are a different story, maybe.

I've never been to a rodeo in my life. But I've seen clips of the things they do on tv. and do not like what I've seen.
 
Ina said:
Sea, i like to go to the Houston Livestock Show that comes before the rodeo. The kids and teenagers work all year pampering their animals, and then sell them as breeding stock to the larger ranches. The money the kids get at the animal's auction generally goes to an education fund for their own futures. I don't think the kids would agree to having their prized animals harmed.
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I believe 4H animals are usually slaughtered right after they receive the awards. Thats the deal. If I'm wrong, someone correct me.

And I don't support any entertainment that uses animals. The critters don't ask to be roped, ridden as bucking whatevers, etc, and I've seen enough videos of bulls continuing to buck with broken legs flopping and I once saw the video of Eight Belles when she broke both her front fetlocks in her last race! Horrifying! Why can't we leave the animals alone? We wouldn't do these kinds of things to our house pets, why does the suffering of other animals not matter?
 
Dame Warrigal said:
Animal cruelty has just been exposed in the greyhound racing industry in Australia. Widespread live blooding has been occurring even though the practice is illegal.


You'll note that all the talk is about the industry, not the cruelty to the live rabbits or cats used to blood the dogs.
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Oh, I saw that too and it totally ruined my morning. I'm still feeling it, grieving for the suffering little critters.
 
rkunsaw said:
Do dogs and cats belong in a house? Is it okay to make them wear clothes and collars? Do dogs and cats deserve to be neutered and declawed?

Does the PC crowd want all animals to be free or just the ones they don't own themselves?

What about cattle, sheep and chickens? Should they all be turned loose to roam in their natural environment?
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How about those cattle and other food animals not be bred anymore to suffer? PC = Proudly Compassionate (and we thank you for the label!) I also love Bleeding Heart because it proves I have one.
 
Wow, the military taught me not to be a PC or BH! But, I do have somewhat of a "compassionate heart", but a BH, no way! I love animals, but also love rodeo, zoo's and the circus.

Debby said:
How about those cattle and other food animals not be bred anymore to suffer? PC = Proudly Compassionate (and we thank you for the label!) I also love Bleeding Heart because it proves I have one.
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I actually enjoy going to the zoo, there is a large beautiful zoo about 15-20 miles from where I live, the owner of that zoo does a lot of conservation work in Africa and there are times when they have bred endangered species, the animals at the zoo are kept very comfortable and in spacious surroundings, they also have tours from the local schools so that children can see and learn about the wildlife.

This zoo is one of the best in Europe.

I keep a pet budgie at home and he is caged for his own safety, the cage is larger than the usual budgie cage, he is a very happy bird and still as active as when I bought him 7 years ago and is always chirpping, in fact he can get very noisy at times and more so when I have company.

Just because I enjoy zoos and keep a budgie in a cage it does not follow that I am not an animal lover.
 
I have to say as I did someone a while back about Bullfights, he said "when the bull is killed, the meat is used, just like the cow you buy at the super market.".....My reply still stands..."while the demise of the cattle bred to slaughter may not be a pleasant thought it is not after being physically tortured and teased before being killed before a crowd of blood thirsty fans!" I feel strongly about this having seen a bull killed in the ring in Mexico as a young man. I'll spare you the details but suffice to say it brought on a violent vomiting event on my part.
 
The truth is that rodeo's are simply for the sake of earning money and entertainment and nothing more. The well being of the animals involved is secondary and important only in as much as it affects the cash and entertainment value. The animals involved in any of these sports never asked to be put at risk for abuse by flank straps, hidden hot shots, broken legs, broken backs and necks and human induced fear and trauma. There is no justification for any of this.

SHARK is an acronym for 'Showing Animals Respect and Kindness' and their mission is to expose the dark underbelly that rodeo's don't want the public to see. A Google search of their name will pull up videos from rodeos all over the country that reveal what 'the industry' doesn't want you to see. They also follow the pigeon shoots that Pennsylvania allows where thousands of helpless birds are blown to bits by 'sportsmen' and where children learn that life means nothing in the pursuit of fun.

A compassionate heart never justifies hurting animals for fun or for putting them at risk for suffering.
 
Dame Warrigal said:
Bringing the thread back to the subject, the Four Corners episode screened last night ant it was explosive.
Don't watch if you are easily upset because it is very distressing but keep in mind what is out of sight, out of mind, continues to flourish.
That would be true of any industry involving money, gambling and animals.
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I didn't watch the whole video Warri, but I have seen similar ones in the past. Don't know which animals I feel more sorry for, but I despise the humans who engage in this barbaric cruelty.

Debby said:
And I don't support any entertainment that uses animals. The critters don't ask to be roped, ridden as bucking whatevers, etc, and I've seen enough videos of bulls continuing to buck with broken legs flopping and I once saw the video of Eight Belles when she broke both her front fetlocks in her last race! Horrifying! Why can't we leave the animals alone? We wouldn't do these kinds of things to our house pets, why does the suffering of other animals not matter?
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Some monsters do it to their house pets, when they engage in dog fighting. I agree, these defenseless animals are purely victims of humans and their lust for thrills and entertainment.

Bee said:
I actually enjoy going to the zoo, there is a large beautiful zoo about 15-20 miles from where I live, the owner of that zoo does a lot of conservation work in Africa and there are times when they have bred endangered species, the animals at the zoo are kept very comfortable and in spacious surroundings, they also have tours from the local schools so that children can see and learn about the wildlife.

This zoo is one of the best in Europe.

I keep a pet budgie at home and he is caged for his own safety, the cage is larger than the usual budgie cage, he is a very happy bird and still as active as when I bought him 7 years ago and is always chirpping, in fact he can get very noisy at times and more so when I have company.

Just because I enjoy zoos and keep a budgie in a cage it does not follow that I am not an animal lover.
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A zoo that is caring for the animals and provide good natural space, etc. is far better than some of the zoos I've seen. I believe you are an animal lover Bee, and I don't unreasonably judge you for liking a well-run zoo. As far as your budgie, I know he's well loved and lucky to share your home with you. :love_heart:

Debby said:
The truth is that rodeo's are simply for the sake of earning money and entertainment and nothing more. The well being of the animals involved is secondary and important only in as much as it affects the cash and entertainment value. The animals involved in any of these sports never asked to be put at risk for abuse by flank straps, hidden hot shots, broken legs, broken backs and necks and human induced fear and trauma. There is no justification for any of this.

SHARK is an acronym for 'Showing Animals Respect and Kindness' and their mission is to expose the dark underbelly that rodeo's don't want the public to see. A Google search of their name will pull up videos from rodeos all over the country that reveal what 'the industry' doesn't want you to see. They also follow the pigeon shoots that Pennsylvania allows where thousands of helpless birds are blown to bits by 'sportsmen' and where children learn that life means nothing in the pursuit of fun.

A compassionate heart never justifies hurting animals for fun or for putting them at risk for suffering.
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I agree Debby, there is too much cruelty and abuse going on behind the scenes to ignore. As far as hunting, I'm not against it if you need the animal's meat for food, those who just shoot to kill for the thrill of it, are another story.
 
AZ Jim said:
I love all animals much more than people. I am so adamant about animal cruelty in any form, I will get involved. I HAVE gotten involved. I do not attend any event I feel the animals are being mistreated. Many years ago (60), while at Del Mar I saw a horse fall and had to be put down. Never went to another race track. People say "what about the poor Jockey he was hurt too" and my attitude is the Jockey volunteered to get up on that pony and race him, the noble steed did not ask to be raced.
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I'm with you about loving animals more than people Jim. I never knew this, but I just read that race horses are bred and many times the mother's milk is only given to a prize thoroughbred foal, who they have hopes of racing. All other foals are let to die, until next time and it happens all over again. Anoyher lovely aspect of horse racing. :(

 
I used to go to zoos and circuses as a kid, but then what did I know?

I understand that some research is done at some zoos, and preserves have a more noble cause for being, but it still doesn't justify locking animals up in cages. One of the worst back in the day was the Central Park Zoo - tiny little cages with thick bars and cement floors, and the smell was overpowering.

... and that was just the restrooms ...

And don't even get me started on circuses ...
 
I'm not happy about any event that involves big gambling interests.
Put that together with animal welfare and I know which one comes a distant second on the priority rankings.
 
Well, there's one thing FOR SURE, there will be those that don't like animal entertainment and those that do. All I know is the same thing I've been said before......have NEVER seen/heard of a zoo closed down due to people not liking them and the same goes for rodeo's and a circus! So, I guess no matter how much people complain about something, that "something" continues.
 
http://www.peta.org/blog/victory-circus-shut-california/

This circus was threatened with a shut-down by the city if they did not stop exhibiting exotic animals.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/italian-circus-closed-pass-off-dogs-pandas/story?id=27793003

An Italian circus shut down for trying to pass off dogs as pandas! :p


But you're right - despite all the protests and the petitions by PETA most of these things just keep going on, probably because the majority of people view animals as merely entertainment and food.
 
https://www.thedodo.com/la-shriners-circus-wont-use-pe-484286324.html

LA Shriners Circus Won't Use Live Animals For the First time in 88 Years

Things are changing thanks to PETA.

CR you seem to stand by your statements that things won't change for the better for the animals because animal entertainment is lucrative and therefore it is justified.
Even though just about everyone here has expressed their views, as you seem to be defending and supporting it so vehemently, what kind of a person does that make you, a humane one or an inhumane one? Think about it.
 
There are a LOT of animal lovers out there that still go to the zoo, rodeo and circus. Believe, PETA isn't going to stop all of it..........THANK God!! And, btw, wife and I are humane. Just because we like this entertainment doesn't mean we are inhumane! I've know some pretty tough Bull Riders and Steer Wrestlers that you definitely wouldn't want to say that to! They wouldn't hurt you, but would definitely "get in your face", like a Drill Sargent, and tell you how they feel.

But, you have your feelings and millions of other folks have theirs. Good luck trying to change people who love this entertainment and have pets at home.

Cookie said:
https://www.thedodo.com/la-shriners-circus-wont-use-pe-484286324.html

LA Shriners Circus Won't Use Live Animals For the First time in 88 Years

Things are changing thanks to PETA.

CR you seem to stand by your statements that things won't change for the better for the animals because animal entertainment is lucrative and therefore it is justified.
Even though just about everyone here has expressed their views, as you seem to be defending and supporting it so vehemently, what kind of a person does that make you, a humane one or an inhumane one? Think about it.
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