Does everyone know what an "Incel" is?

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I just became aware of this a few weeks ago. My grandson was telling me about it.

"Incel" is short for "involuntarily celibate" and generally refers to online groups of men who feel that they are unable to enter into sexual relationships. They blame women for their grievances, which they discuss in internet forums."
Teenage boy charged in Canada's first 'incel' terror case
From the BBC

https://news.yahoo.com/teenage-boy-charged-canadas-first-233115069.html

A Toronto teenager has become the first Canadian ever charged with carrying out an "incel" inspired terror attack.

The 17-year-old boy is accused of fatally stabbing a woman in February.

A 2018 attack in Toronto that killed 10 was also allegedly inspired by the ideology, but the attacker was not charged with terrorism.

I was just texting with my grandson about the murder in Canada, and this is how he explains it-

From what I saw there have been other terrorist types attacks from them but this was the first successful terrorism charge that stuck.

A similar ideology is what most of the mass shooters have anyway, Columbine for example, but now they're grouping together and stuff.

There's been an extremely bad thing happening in recent years with social media. Before if you were acting weird or had no friends you kind of changed just a bit to be a member of society. Now they just find others online and only go deeper into it.

It's kind of what's happening with left and right politics.

now with social media they can get friends, lots of friends, without changing. And they all feed into each other. So even the ones that back before, would have adjusted a bit aren't. And the ones that went bad now have a giant support group of the same horrible shit.

And the thing that not many people talk about is that now these guys really don't even try much because of internet porn.
 

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Keesha said:
Involuntary celibates.
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Yes, I wrote that. "Incel" is short for "involuntarily celibate" .^^^^^

Living under my usual rock, I had not heard the term until now. I was only recently made aware of this social phenomenon getting big on social media and wondered if I was the last to know!

You're hip, Keesha 🌹
 

RadishRose said:
Yes, but the bonding going on among these men on social media will prevent them from reaching for help, from becoming more social and/or from trying.
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I never read the clip but my understanding of involuntary celibacy was that certain individuals are fixed so that they can’t get sexually aroused to rape and hurt anyone again in the same way they did before. . From browsing over this article this might not mean the same thing. I had no idea this was the man that was part of a group of women haters who ran over a bunch of civilians and killed them. Very sad. I knew that area well.
 
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I've heard the term but never in the context of men grouping together over it.
It's usually a form of derision, as in "Couldn't get laid in a whorehouse with a fistful of fifty dollar bills." Why would any guy self-label as such?

I have heard of men who have decided to live their lives without giving the opposite gender a central role in it, but they don't view it as being involuntary. In some ways it's in opposition to societal definitions of "the norm," in the same way similarly-minded women are :"empowered.

Those who which to deride this second group of men often accuse them of being "incels," making the assumption that any man capable of "getting it" would certainly never voluntarily give it up.

Being "incel" is not an ideology as the article says. By it's very name, it's an involuntary state...that's what the "in" part stands for. Besides, the kid's 17 years old! What the heck does he know??? Just slightly less than the journalist who wrote that article, I'd say.

And what makes this an act of terrorism?
 
Whatever it is, it's beyond my comprehension.
Sort'a knew what was going on in the nineties.
The 2000, didn't care.
This kid and those like him-weird.
 
This is how the "Incel" movement began. And it's so sad that it's been corrupted and turned into a toxic, hate filled, vengeful movement.

In the late 1990s, a lonely teenager on the West Coast fired up his dial-up modem to find someone to talk to. He was a shy kid, too introverted to feel fully comfortable in the real world, and he logged on to the early internet’s bare-bones web forums for a sense of connection. There he found friends: other people who were awkward in real life, particularly when it came to sex and dating.

The group eventually became a community, one that began using a phrase to describe their romantic troubles — “involuntary celibacy.” Later the term would get shortened: “incel.”

The teenager, now a man who uses the handle “ReformedIncel” to keep his internet history out of his offline life, recalls the online incel world of the 1990s and 2000s fondly. It was a welcoming place, one where men who didn’t know how to talk to women could ask the community’s female members for advice (and vice versa). It was, he told me, “kind of an SJW [social justice warrior] community.”

Fast forward to 2018

In April 2018, about 20 years after the early incel community coalesced, a college student in Toronto named Sohe Chung decided to walk to the library. It wasn’t a short walk — the subway would have been faster — but Chung and her roommate, So Ra, wanted to enjoy the sunshine.

Chung and So never made it to the library. On the way there, a van hopped the curb onto the sidewalk and slammed into pedestrians. Chung was one of 10 killed; So was one of 16 wounded.

The van’s driver was a self-described incel — but the community today would not be recognizable to those who built it decades earlier. Today’s incels are almost entirely men and boys who pollute their online forums with posts blaming women for their sexless lives. Some posters even celebrated Chung’s killer the day of the attack, calling for other incels to follow up with “acid attacks” and “mass rape.” What was once an open-minded support group had degenerated into a place where praise for mass killers was tolerated, even normalized.

“Rage,” ReformedIncel says, “has completely taken over.”

This is so sad
 
Ronni said:
This is how the "Incel" movement began. And it's so sad that it's been corrupted and turned into a toxic, hate filled, vengeful movement.

In the late 1990s, a lonely teenager on the West Coast fired up his dial-up modem to find someone to talk to. He was a shy kid, too introverted to feel fully comfortable in the real world, and he logged on to the early internet’s bare-bones web forums for a sense of connection. There he found friends: other people who were awkward in real life, particularly when it came to sex and dating.

The group eventually became a community, one that began using a phrase to describe their romantic troubles — “involuntary celibacy.” Later the term would get shortened: “incel.”

The teenager, now a man who uses the handle “ReformedIncel” to keep his internet history out of his offline life, recalls the online incel world of the 1990s and 2000s fondly. It was a welcoming place, one where men who didn’t know how to talk to women could ask the community’s female members for advice (and vice versa). It was, he told me, “kind of an SJW [social justice warrior] community.”

Fast forward to 2018

In April 2018, about 20 years after the early incel community coalesced, a college student in Toronto named Sohe Chung decided to walk to the library. It wasn’t a short walk — the subway would have been faster — but Chung and her roommate, So Ra, wanted to enjoy the sunshine.

Chung and So never made it to the library. On the way there, a van hopped the curb onto the sidewalk and slammed into pedestrians. Chung was one of 10 killed; So was one of 16 wounded.

The van’s driver was a self-described incel — but the community today would not be recognizable to those who built it decades earlier. Today’s incels are almost entirely men and boys who pollute their online forums with posts blaming women for their sexless lives. Some posters even celebrated Chung’s killer the day of the attack, calling for other incels to follow up with “acid attacks” and “mass rape.” What was once an open-minded support group had degenerated into a place where praise for mass killers was tolerated, even normalized.

“Rage,” ReformedIncel says, “has completely taken over.”

This is so sad
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The day this happened, my husband was at a meeting with his CA .. they heard a lot of sirens - when he left the office, he saw a person lying on the sidewalk down the street. This was just one of the persons who was run over by that van driver. It was a very dark day for the neighbourhood, and a vigil was held at our City Hall.
 
Ronni said:
This is how the "Incel" movement began. And it's so sad that it's been corrupted and turned into a toxic, hate filled, vengeful movement.

In the late 1990s, a lonely teenager on the West Coast fired up his dial-up modem to find someone to talk to. He was a shy kid, too introverted to feel fully comfortable in the real world, and he logged on to the early internet’s bare-bones web forums for a sense of connection. There he found friends: other people who were awkward in real life, particularly when it came to sex and dating.

The group eventually became a community, one that began using a phrase to describe their romantic troubles — “involuntary celibacy.” Later the term would get shortened: “incel.”

The teenager, now a man who uses the handle “ReformedIncel” to keep his internet history out of his offline life, recalls the online incel world of the 1990s and 2000s fondly. It was a welcoming place, one where men who didn’t know how to talk to women could ask the community’s female members for advice (and vice versa). It was, he told me, “kind of an SJW [social justice warrior] community.”

Fast forward to 2018

In April 2018, about 20 years after the early incel community coalesced, a college student in Toronto named Sohe Chung decided to walk to the library. It wasn’t a short walk — the subway would have been faster — but Chung and her roommate, So Ra, wanted to enjoy the sunshine.

Chung and So never made it to the library. On the way there, a van hopped the curb onto the sidewalk and slammed into pedestrians. Chung was one of 10 killed; So was one of 16 wounded.

The van’s driver was a self-described incel — but the community today would not be recognizable to those who built it decades earlier. Today’s incels are almost entirely men and boys who pollute their online forums with posts blaming women for their sexless lives. Some posters even celebrated Chung’s killer the day of the attack, calling for other incels to follow up with “acid attacks” and “mass rape.” What was once an open-minded support group had degenerated into a place where praise for mass killers was tolerated, even normalized.

“Rage,” ReformedIncel says, “has completely taken over.”

This is so sad
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This article says it all. I'm not finished reading it yet, but there's so much information.

Some years ago, I began to suspect something was wrong with our young men; something weird was going on. Some of you may remember my concerns. People blamed gun laws, violent video games, etc. Now it seems we know more about the reasons for their rage.
https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/4/16/18287446/incel-definition-reddit
Thank you Ronni!
 
Ronni said:
This is how the "Incel" movement began. And it's so sad that it's been corrupted and turned into a toxic, hate filled, vengeful movement.

In the late 1990s, a lonely teenager on the West Coast fired up his dial-up modem to find someone to talk to. He was a shy kid, too introverted to feel fully comfortable in the real world, and he logged on to the early internet’s bare-bones web forums for a sense of connection. There he found friends: other people who were awkward in real life, particularly when it came to sex and dating.

The group eventually became a community, one that began using a phrase to describe their romantic troubles — “involuntary celibacy.” Later the term would get shortened: “incel.”

The teenager, now a man who uses the handle “ReformedIncel” to keep his internet history out of his offline life, recalls the online incel world of the 1990s and 2000s fondly. It was a welcoming place, one where men who didn’t know how to talk to women could ask the community’s female members for advice (and vice versa). It was, he told me, “kind of an SJW [social justice warrior] community.”

Fast forward to 2018

In April 2018, about 20 years after the early incel community coalesced, a college student in Toronto named Sohe Chung decided to walk to the library. It wasn’t a short walk — the subway would have been faster — but Chung and her roommate, So Ra, wanted to enjoy the sunshine.

Chung and So never made it to the library. On the way there, a van hopped the curb onto the sidewalk and slammed into pedestrians. Chung was one of 10 killed; So was one of 16 wounded.

The van’s driver was a self-described incel — but the community today would not be recognizable to those who built it decades earlier. Today’s incels are almost entirely men and boys who pollute their online forums with posts blaming women for their sexless lives. Some posters even celebrated Chung’s killer the day of the attack, calling for other incels to follow up with “acid attacks” and “mass rape.” What was once an open-minded support group had degenerated into a place where praise for mass killers was tolerated, even normalized.

“Rage,” ReformedIncel says, “has completely taken over.”

This is so sad
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I had no idea it started as a real group to help those who feel lost. I've only heard the term as something slanderous.

You know, those who do evil under the banners of others may or may not believe themselves to be part of that community, or they might be looking to shield themselves from responsibility. Taking murderous rage out on strangers pretty much puts them in the second camp.
 
RadishRose said:
I just became aware of this a few weeks ago. My grandson was telling me about it.

"Incel" is short for "involuntarily celibate" and generally refers to online groups of men who feel that they are unable to enter into sexual relationships. They blame women for their grievances, which they discuss in internet forums."
Teenage boy charged in Canada's first 'incel' terror case
From the BBC

https://news.yahoo.com/teenage-boy-charged-canadas-first-233115069.html

A Toronto teenager has become the first Canadian ever charged with carrying out an "incel" inspired terror attack.

The 17-year-old boy is accused of fatally stabbing a woman in February.

A 2018 attack in Toronto that killed 10 was also allegedly inspired by the ideology, but the attacker was not charged with terrorism.

I was just texting with my grandson about the murder in Canada, and this is how he explains it-

From what I saw there have been other terrorist types attacks from them but this was the first successful terrorism charge that stuck.

A similar ideology is what most of the mass shooters have anyway, Columbine for example, but now they're grouping together and stuff.

There's been an extremely bad thing happening in recent years with social media. Before if you were acting weird or had no friends you kind of changed just a bit to be a member of society. Now they just find others online and only go deeper into it.

It's kind of what's happening with left and right politics.

now with social media they can get friends, lots of friends, without changing. And they all feed into each other. So even the ones that back before, would have adjusted a bit aren't. And the ones that went bad now have a giant support group of the same horrible shit.

And the thing that not many people talk about is that now these guys really don't even try much because of internet porn.
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What next? This is totally nuts and just another excuse for a bunch of murdering savages to vent their frustrations on an innocent society.
 
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