Yeah, why not just kill everyone that's evil.......
Snuff 'em out from the get go
To hell with that power of choice thing
That should inspire love and happiness
Does the Book of Job explain the current news?
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Snuff 'em out from the get go
To hell with that power of choice thing
That should inspire love and happiness
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I'm not arrogant enough to get into what's going on in the mind of God, but about the pain thing -- I wish you could turn it off after you get the danger message. "I get the message, shoulder -- you are dislocated -- and I'm on my way to the ER to get it fixed. You can stop warning me of danger now."
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Butterfly, I watch Bondi Rescue on TV which is about lifeguards at work on a popular beach in Sydney. They deal with people in all kinds of pain and while they are waiting for the ambulance to arrive they administer analgesic via a green tube that the patients sucks on. Whatever is in it, the effect is near miraculous. They are very happy by the time the ambos arrive.
Sounds good to me, Gary. We're talking about Satan, not just some ordinary person who's made some bad choices. He was conceived as the personification of evil. Why not "snuff him out?"
I’m not trying to do anything. I can not look at the Ten Commandments they have never been found so what they said is all speculation. They were written by the God of the Old Testament and sabbath was, hmm, well, not on Sunday. But then again, I have no ideal when it was because it was before JC.
Believe what you want. You are not an expert. I am not an expert. And I can not remember the Book of Job and I am not interested enough to read it. I am not wrong and I am not right, I am just giving my opinion on stuff. No I am not trying to analyze anything. This discussion is making my brain hurt.oh, look, it exploded-now I need a brain transplant. Just Great.
The Ten Commandments have never been "found?" What does that mean? The exact stone tablets have never been found? So what? Who knows if they ever existed? The whole story of the Exodus was probably made up by rabbis centuries later. You say that what they said was all speculation, and in the next sentence that they were written by "the God of the Old Testament?" How do you know? And who is the God of the Old Testament, anyway? I thought the God of Judaism and Christianity was the same God.
What does the calendar day of the Sabbath have to do with anything? The Ten Commandments demand that we keep the Sabbath. Here's what Wikipedia has to say about the change from Saturday to Sunday (for most Christians): In the year 321 A.D., Constantine decreed, "On the venerable day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed" So it was a bureaucratic decision by a Roman emperor, and irrelevant to this discussion.
As to who is or is not an expert, I've never claimed to be one. But my opinions are not born of ignorance. In my youth, I spent many years studying the Bible and the Talmud. And I've given plenty of thought to the subject. I would never dream of saying that I have never read a book, but that doesn't stop me from giving my opinion on "stuff" in that book.
I agree with Warrigal, this discussion has been hijacked. Too bad, as the Book of Job is is relevant to the undeserved suffering caused by the coronavirus. The virus is real, all right (only too real), but Satan is a good metaphor for it. And the vaccine(s) are our best weapon to fight against this evil.
Aneeda72
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Aneeda72
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Hmm, I’ve never been called a lady before so you must mean someone else... says the lady who has been arguing her head off since this thread began!
To let his evil play out
To bear out the great accuser's false witness
(He was pretty convincing....took a third of the angels with him)
To make it no question as to his vile iniquity
Simply, It keeps the power of choice intact
Choosing thru love, and not fear, in obeying the laws of parental guidance
......and this is in keeping with the topic of why Job's suffering (2nd chapter of the book of Job)
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There is a bit of relevance
Questioning the whys of Job's suffering falls directly into the question of if there is a god or not.
And what kind of god.
The fourth commandment is quite clear on what/who God is;
"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it" (Exodus 20:8-11).
He's The Creator
And I'll tell ya, this 'rest' thing works
At the cabin, I worked myself into the ground, 24/7
Started keeping the Sabbath
Revived the heck outa me
Got more done in six days than I ever did in seven
Even farmers know to let their crops rest ever seven years
Seems He knew we'd loose sight
We'd forget
"Remember the Sabbath day"
That'd be the seventh one
'In the year 321 A.D., Constantine decreed, "On the venerable day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed" So it was a bureaucratic decision by a Roman emporer'
Yeah, him and Diocletian had a strong hand in getting the day of rest changed
...bringing pagans and Christians together (not a bad bureaucratic plan)
Now, where were we...
Ah, yes
That Job was one helluva man
But Satan is a liar. Always. This is what we were taught in Roman Catholicism. So if you conclude the vaccine is the only way to fight the evil that is the pandemic, how can you be sure that's not just Satan lying to you? Satan works through men and their deeds and inventions just as God does.
Sorry, I'm just playing devil's advocate here.
Aneeda72
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I don’t consider the pandemic evil, but a product of nature. Both the GOD I believe in, and the DEVIL I believe in allow free will. After all, in all the movies, you have to agree to sell your soul, sign a contract in blood without benefit of an attorney, and then the paperwork disappears as the Devil runs away.But Satan is a liar. Always. This is what we were taught in Roman Catholicism. So if you conclude the vaccine is the only way to fight the evil that is the pandemic, how can you be sure that's not just Satan lying to you? Satan works through men and their deeds and inventions just as God does.
Sorry, I'm just playing devil's advocate here.
I was not raised Catholic. I was raised Southern Baptist, a somewhat strict religion, IMO.
But Satan is a liar. Always. This is what we were taught in Roman Catholicism. So if you conclude the vaccine is the only way to fight the evil that is the pandemic, how can you be sure that's not just Satan lying to you? Satan works through men and their deeds and inventions just as God does.
Sorry, I'm just playing devil's advocate here.
Chic, LOL! Yes, we've got to watch out for Satan, who is employed by the vaccine manufacturers to lie to us. So, when your doctor tells you to get the vaccine pronto, if you want any kind of a return to normal life, you just tell him that his words are coming from Satan, who is lying to us!
Knight
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For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it" (Exodus 20:8-11).
Question:
How old is the universe?
Answer:
We do not know the exact age of the universe, but we believe that it is around 13 billion years - give or take a few billion.
https://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/StarChild/questions/question28.html
Made in our image another bible revelation. In Genesis 1:27
So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.…
(For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them) Quite a span in years difference between the universe estimated to be about 13 billion years & earth being about 4 billion years old.
Remains of Neanderthals are estimated to be about 70,000 old. It is estimated that 20 percent of Neanderthal DNA currently survives in modern humans.
Neanderthal genetics - Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org › wiki › Neanderthal_genetics
Could be when he wiped out mankind with Noah starting fresh with Noah would give him a second shot at making it right the second time around. That image thing though IMO made the Lord & others less than good looking as a start.
Kind of mind boggling to believe that a creator would have anything to do with covid -19 when that creator would at the bare minimum be billions of years old. What kind of creator that is billions of years old harbors hate of innocents among the 7 billion plus humans on earth now he created?
Question:
How old is the universe?
Answer:
We do not know the exact age of the universe, but we believe that it is around 13 billion years - give or take a few billion.
https://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/StarChild/questions/question28.html
Made in our image another bible revelation. In Genesis 1:27
So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.…
(For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them) Quite a span in years difference between the universe estimated to be about 13 billion years & earth being about 4 billion years old.
Remains of Neanderthals are estimated to be about 70,000 old. It is estimated that 20 percent of Neanderthal DNA currently survives in modern humans.
Neanderthal genetics - Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org › wiki › Neanderthal_genetics
Could be when he wiped out mankind with Noah starting fresh with Noah would give him a second shot at making it right the second time around. That image thing though IMO made the Lord & others less than good looking as a start.
Kind of mind boggling to believe that a creator would have anything to do with covid -19 when that creator would at the bare minimum be billions of years old. What kind of creator that is billions of years old harbors hate of innocents among the 7 billion plus humans on earth now he created?
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"We have met the enemy and he is us."-- POGO
Only too familiar, Pepper. Have anyone in particular in mind?
Friends don't get friends into trouble.Only too familiar, Pepper. Have anyone in particular in mind?
Yes, Baptists are very strict. I kind of think the pandemic is evil because of all the destruction. Satan brings death as well as lies. Nature isn't evil in and of itself.
But, I'm straying from the original question does the book of Job explain the pandemic? I think not. It would be like what is happening here. Division and discomfort. Friends say, it's your fault you must have done something wrong when you never did a thing wrong. It makes them feel superior to say so because it comforts them to feel superior in this, but I can let it go. And that's how the book of Job explains what's happening with the pandemic for me.
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Not what I would call the attitude of a loving creator/parent. It does however fit the patriarchal mindset found in some OT stories where the head of the household, the pater familias, had absolute the power of life and death over everyone - his wives, concubines, children and slaves. Not just in Hebrew society either. It was the same in ancient Rome. It is certainly not what we expect from a father today.
I know this is off topic but the words of an old hymn keep gnawing at me. It speaks of partial but growing understanding of the scriptures. The language suggests it is somewhat modern but wasn't written in this century. I'm guessing Victorian times. It has always resonated with me. I hope no-one minds my contributing the lyrics as food for thought.
We limit not the truth of God Lyrics
We limit not the truth of God
To our poor reach of mind,
By notions of our day and sect,
Crude, partial and confined.
Now let a new and better hope
Within our hearts be stirred:
The Lord hath yet more light and truth
To break forth from His Word.
Who dares to bind by his dull sense
The oracles of heaven,
For all the nations, tongues and climes
And all the ages given!
The universe how much unknown!
That ocean unexplored!
The Lord hath yet more light and truth
To break forth from His Word.
Darkling our great forefathers went
The first steps of the way;
'Twas but the dawning yet to grow
Into the perfect day;
And grow it shall, our glorious Sun
More fervid rays afford:
The Lord hath yet more light and truth
To break forth from His Word.
The valleys past, ascending still,
Our souls would higher climb,
And look down from supernal heights,
On all the bygone times;
Upward we press, the air is clear,
And the sphere-music heard!
The Lord hath yet more light and truth
To break forth from His Word.
O Father, Son and Spirit, send
Us increase from above;
Enlarge, expand all Christian hearts
To comprehend Thy love;
And make us all go on to know
With nobler powers conferred:
The Lord hath yet more light and truth
To break forth from His Word.
source: https://www.lyricsondemand.com/misc...tianlyrics/welimitnotthetruthofgodlyrics.html
Knight
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I didn't want to copy the entire lyrics but this ending got me to wondering.
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"The Lord hath yet more light and truth
To break forth from His Word."
Can you think of what light & truth has come forth from his word recently? And if so how would that relate to the topic of covid-19
Also wonder why if the universe is about 13 billion years old & the earth is about 4 billion years old, what sentient beings could live that long to impact mankind on a whim?
quote
"The Lord hath yet more light and truth
To break forth from His Word."
Can you think of what light & truth has come forth from his word recently? And if so how would that relate to the topic of covid-19
Also wonder why if the universe is about 13 billion years old & the earth is about 4 billion years old, what sentient beings could live that long to impact mankind on a whim?
Warrigal
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I think the hymn writer might have been reflecting on the Elightenment. It was a time when science was challenging simplistic acceptance of biblical stories, causing theologians to re-examine the scriptures in the light of new discoveries. It was also a time of pushback and the rise of biblical literalism. I am however just surmising.
For me, truth can be found in all kinds of stories, even fictional stories such as fables, legends and allegories. Good writers of novels and screenplays draw our attention to important truths if we are receptive. The scriptures do the same, sometimes with the clarity of light, but if the eyes and ears are shut tight then the message is not received.
As for COVID 19, I could suggest that a thoughtful reading of the story of the Good Samaritan could be fruitful. It was told in response to a question put to Jesus - "Who is my neighbour?" It challenges us to look at how we respond to individually and collectively to people around us who have been beaten up by life. Are we for example thinking about people affected by the pandemic? If so, how much concern do we have for people beyond our family/social group/culture? There is an opportunity for truth and light to break through if we enter into the story with heart as well as mind.
For me, truth can be found in all kinds of stories, even fictional stories such as fables, legends and allegories. Good writers of novels and screenplays draw our attention to important truths if we are receptive. The scriptures do the same, sometimes with the clarity of light, but if the eyes and ears are shut tight then the message is not received.
As for COVID 19, I could suggest that a thoughtful reading of the story of the Good Samaritan could be fruitful. It was told in response to a question put to Jesus - "Who is my neighbour?" It challenges us to look at how we respond to individually and collectively to people around us who have been beaten up by life. Are we for example thinking about people affected by the pandemic? If so, how much concern do we have for people beyond our family/social group/culture? There is an opportunity for truth and light to break through if we enter into the story with heart as well as mind.