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If it does please explain the logic to me because I think it sounds like ideological nonsense.

Senator suggests food service employees should not be required to wash hands


The State Column, Ella Vincent | February 03, 2015


One congressman sees food service employees washing hands as an infringement on liberty, and a form of government excess.

Republican senator Thom Tillis encouraged the idea that government should not force food service employees to wash their hands after using the restroom, and that this should be a choice made independently by businesses. Tillis was at a Starbucks when he recalled disagreeing with the Starbucks handwashing policy.

“I was having a discussion with someone, and we were at a Starbucks in my district, and we were talking about certain regulations where I felt like ‘maybe you should allow businesses to opt out,”’ said the senator. “As a matter of fact, I think this is one where I think I can illustrate the point,” said Tillis. “I don’t have any problem with Starbucks if they choose to opt out of this policy as long as they post a sign that says we don’t require our employees to wash their hands after leaving the restroom. The market will take care of that. It’s one example.

”Let an industry or business opt out as long as they indicate through proper disclosure, through advertising, through employment, literature, whatever else. There’s this level of regulations that maybe they’re on the books, but maybe you can make a market-based decision as to whether or not they should apply to you,” added Tillis.

Tillis told the story during an appearance at the Bipartisan Policy Center. He told the story about businesses’ “bias when it comes to regulatory reform.”

“That’s probably one where every business that did that would go out of business,” he added. “But I think it’s good to illustrate the point that that’s the sort of mentality that we need to have to reduce the regulatory burden on this country. We’re one of the most regulated nations in the history of the planet, and I think if we go about it in a common sense way that that solves a lot of problems. It makes these other big problems that we’re talking about imminently more easy to solve,” said Tillis.

While Tillis sees handwashing as a government intrusion, the FDA says “proper handwashing reduces the spread of fecal-oral pathogens from the hands of a food employee to foods.”

At the end of the event, Bipartisan Policy Center President Jason Grumet joked to Sen.Tillis, “I’m not sure if I’m going to shake your hand.”
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Let's assume that he is not being serious about hand washing, what else could he be talking about?
 

He should wash his mouth with soap for spewing such nonsense for whatever reason...
 

In my opinion, he was just stating an opinion on government over-regulating every industry. As he had stated in his messed-up rant, any business that would do such a thing as posting the stated sign, they would go out of business. I agree with Larry that he could have done a better job of making his point, but I did get the jest of his diatribe.
 
What level of government would be responsible for industry by industry government?
I would guess state governments and I would expect all of them to develop similar regulations on public health.

In the world of nature this would be known as convergent evolution.
 
Nope. I was merely pointing out that similar conditions in different places can lead to the same conclusions.

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Regulations develop along similar lines for much the same reason. The logical solution to a particular problem in different locations.
 
I heard this guy interviewed yesterday... so basically what he is saying is that restaurants or other companies should not post signs making it mandatory for employees to wash their hands before returning to work. HOWEVER, they must instead post a sign saying that they do not REQUIRE employees to wash their hands after using the restroom... and the free market will take care of itself.. IN that no one would frequent their establishment. THAT is the Libertarian way.
 
QuickSilver said:
Ahhhhh.... those whackie Libertarians... anything for personal freedom..
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QS is completely right. Right now the country is in a big dither about an increasing number of people who don't want to vaccinate their children and should have the right to ignore government public health requirements. The Libertarians are taking advantage of the controversy to portray any government health requirement as a bunch of jack booted thugs forcing you to comply with big brother.
 
MY feeling has always been that the personal freedom of one person ends where another persons nose begins. So if what you are doing... or NOT doing endangers others.. you are not free to do it... or not do it. Period. This is the way society governs itself... unfortunately there are those who don't give a care how their actions affect others... therefore laws are needed. THIS is why there has never been a successful Libertarian regime... unless you think Somalia is particularly successful.
 
That has nothing to do with Libertarians. He was trying to make a point about over regulations but then he changed one sign for another. Instead of requiring a sign saying employees must wash their hands, he would require a sign saying they do not require employees to wash their hands.

Not a very smart or thought out thing to say.
 
I think any ideology can be made to look ridiculous when taken to an extreme or when espoused by a common sense challenged politician.

In his quote above, he was trying to make a point. However he simply traded one set of regulations (requiring food service employees to wash hands) for another set of regulations (requiring food service establishments warn customers that their employees don't wash their hands). It is the sort of political doublespeak so commonly found in Washington regardless of party affiliation.

If he were a true libertarian he would have recommended that there be no regulations on food service establishments whatsoever (another idea with which I don't agree).
 
It seemed a long winded way of making his point. In any case, workers in the food industry simply have to adhere to hand washing policies or we will all fall ill!
 
Josiah09 said:
QS is completely right. Right now the country is in a big dither about an increasing number of people who don't want to vaccinate their children and should have the right to ignore government public health requirements. The Libertarians are taking advantage of the controversy to portray any government health requirement as a bunch of jack booted thugs forcing you to comply with big brother.
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Amen to you and QS!!
 
I was in Starbucks last week and used the restroom. I saw the sign that said "Employees must wash hands." Well, dangnabbit, I stood there with dirty hands for 20 minutes waiting for an employee to come in and wash my hands! I finally ended up having to wash them myself. I don't appreciate bad service and won't be going back THERE again.
 
Anyone handling food and serving the public should be encouraged to wash their hands after using the restroom by the employers. IMO, you shouldn't even have to be told that, it's just good hygiene and common sense. If a customer becomes sick from fecal matter (or urine) or other bodily fluids on an employee's hands, they will go after the company, not the employee. No Warrigal, what he said makes no sense at all.
 
jujube said:
I was in Starbucks last week and used the restroom. I saw the sign that said "Employees must wash hands." Well, dangnabbit, I stood there with dirty hands for 20 minutes waiting for an employee to come in and wash my hands! I finally ended up having to wash them myself. I don't appreciate bad service and won't be going back THERE again.
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Dagnabbit jujube....that may have gone over a head or two! You were waiting 20 minutes for an employee to come in and wash YOUR hands? HAHA!:)
 
You would be shocked if you really knew who didn't bother... Awhile back our Infection Control Nurse had people hang out in the staff bathrooms just to take note of those employees guilty of not washing their hands.. Mind you... this is a hospital. It was a shock.. and among the biggest offenders.. Doctors.. yuck...
 

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